Israel Declares War

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HeIsHere

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The truth according to scripture not according to John Darby and his acolytes like John Hagee


43 Thus the Lord gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there. 44 And the Lord gave them rest on every side just as he had sworn to their fathers. Not one of all their enemies had withstood them, for the Lord had given all their enemies into their hands.
45 Not one word of all the good promises that the Lord had made to the house of Israel had failed; all came to pass.
Joshua 21:43

When the Jewish chief priests and elders questioned Jesus’ authority He said to them, “I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people [Gentiles] who will produce its fruit” (Mat. 21:43).

For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith (Rom. 4:13).
 

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I don't know what type of revisionist book you got your information from, but it's been estimated from 120,000-230,000 innocent Japanese civilians died from the nuclear attacks. It's in cold blood because we weren't discriminate in attacking the military forces/infrastructure... we used a nuclear bomb that would end lives over a wider area instead of more discriminate precision bombing.

Your insistence that a second atomic bomb "had" to be used is really a matter of opinion. An opinion that is slowly shifting as you know from our other discussion. Nevertheless, finding a "need" to kill civilians in cold blood sets an insanely dangerous precedent for future conflicts.

You also ignored the question and did verbal gymnastics. No one truly believes it "depends on the circumstances" to label the atomic bomb as an indiscriminate bomb. The bomb either discriminately or indiscriminately takes lives... Do you know the definition of "discriminate" and "indiscriminate"? If so, then you would know the presumed necessity to use the bomb to "saves lives and end the war" would not have ANY relevance to the bomb being either discriminate or indiscriminate. The need for a bomb doesn't make a bomb discriminate or indiscriminate in other words. Just as the color someone paints a bomb has no relevance to it being an ideal bomb to discriminately or indiscriminately kill armed forces. "Color" and "need" are irrelevant external factors that do not change the label to "discriminate" or "indiscriminate".
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Amir Tsarfati

Let me be very clear :
The barbaric massacre we had experienced last Saturday will come to America and Europe. It’s only a matter of time. Satanic ideology has no borders! You have allowed into your territory these people and they know what they have to do. They are plotting right now. The time of the execution will surprise you as well!
 

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The truth according to scripture not according to John Darby and his acolytes like John Hagee


43 Thus the Lord gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there. 44 And the Lord gave them rest on every side just as he had sworn to their fathers. Not one of all their enemies had withstood them, for the Lord had given all their enemies into their hands.
45 Not one word of all the good promises that the Lord had made to the house of Israel had failed; all came to pass.
Joshua 21:43

When the Jewish chief priests and elders questioned Jesus’ authority He said to them, “I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people [Gentiles] who will produce its fruit” (Mat. 21:43).

For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith (Rom. 4:13).
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, "and to seeds," meaning many, but "and to your seed," meaning One, who is Christ. (Gal 3:16)

And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:29)
 

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Thankful each day that the truth is being revealed and the mass psychosis of "Churchianity" is taking is last breaths.

I pray believers will emerge free from this horrible lie which devalues our Lord and Saviour.

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Amir Tsarfati

Let me be very clear :
The barbaric massacre we had experienced last Saturday will come to America and Europe. It’s only a matter of time. Satanic ideology has no borders! You have allowed into your territory these people and they know what they have to do. They are plotting right now. The time of the execution will surprise you as well!
Sure, more fear mongering and spewing of hatred.
 

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Prayer for the Peace in Israel

Lord Jesus we lift up the situation in Israel, and in Gaza, and in this war. Lord Jesus, Keep not silence, hold not Your peace or be still, O God. For, behold, Your enemies are in tumult, and those who hate You have raised their heads. They lay crafty schemes against Your people and consult together against Your hidden and precious ones. They have said, Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation; let the name of Israel be in remembrance no more. For they have consulted together with one accord and one heart; against You they make a covenant—

Do to them as You did to them on the six day war, or on the Yom Kippur War. They say, Let us take possession for ourselves of the pastures of God. O Lord Jesus, make them like whirling dust, like stubble or chaff before the wind! As fire consumes the forest, and as the flame sets the mountains ablaze, So pursue and afflict them with Your tempest and terrify them with Your tornado or hurricane. Fill their faces with shame, that they may seek, inquire for, and insistently require the name of Jesus Christ, Lord of Lords and King of kings. Let them be put to shame and dismayed forever; yes, let them be put to shame and perish, That they may know that You, Whose name alone is the Lord, are the Most High over all the earth.
 

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I like Sam Harris because he generally has nuanced opinions on things and he manages a ruffle the feathers of both the left and the right
He does ruffle feathers, but he his often illogical, smug and an atheist so I give him a fail.

But I do not mind listening to him in debates because sometimes he he does provide some sound reasoning.
 

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Inaccurate.

The land was given to them as part of back room deals by corrupt politicians with no concern for the inhabitants a the time.
Untrue. Already debunked that. The Jews have had a presence in the land for 3000 yrs. I have just posted the facts in my last post of what happened when they came back to the land again, that was ALREADY theirs.
 

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This is what happens when you let John Hagee interpret history for you.

American evangelicals are brainwashed.
There are Jews more honest than this.

Lol what has Hagee have to do with the Jewish Virtual Library?! Are you saying they aren't trustworthy?
 

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I assume you are taking issue with this position, so by all means help us out. The Arabs, as everyone is well aware, were strong supporters of Hitler and the Final solution. David Ben Gurion was there when Israel was nothing but a bunch of refugees from WW2 huddled together and that was when the terrorist attacks started. At that time, under the prompting of the Arabs the Palestinians rejected sharing the land with Israel. So enlighten us, what would your strategy have been for survival.
 

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Right, they gave them notice, Z already posted that. And that's a blazes lot more than what the Hamas terrorists did to Israeli civilians! They came in the crack of dawn and butchered families. They murdered parents in front of their children, raped women, took babies hostage and the elderly! There is video coming out on all news stations. A little girl screaming as her parents tell her her sister is dead and not coming back. As they try to calm her the terrorists come in and the father tries to shield his wife and children with his body!! 200 people were murdered at a music rally. This is the worst attack on the Jews since the Holocaust. Back then they could hide it, what they were doing. But we have news journalists that are not on Israels side and are forced to report the massacre because THEY SEE IT!! Blood all over the floors of homes. They set fire to homes to cause anyone inside to run out and then killed them. This isn't about a piece of land, this is about wiping out the Jews, the same as it was under Hitler. The world said never again. It happens again before our very eyes and we say " it's not happening". It is and it has. Israel told people to get out and given them time to leave. This is war, not a tea party. They have every right to fight. And they are doing anything in the dark, BN said exactly what they are gonna do, wipe the terrorists Hamas off the map. The same thing Trump did to ISIS. How the world can, yet again, say the Jews deserved this is sickening. I wondered when I learned about the Holocaust and watched Corrie ten Boons movie in church as a youth how anyone could be so cruel. And yet here we are again, with 100% proof and people still saying it didn't happen. Satanic hatred of the Jew, still trying to finish Hitlers job.
 

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The Arabs, as everyone is well aware, were strong supporters of Hitler and the Final solution.
Broad sweeping assertions like this incite hatred. Sad

Approximately 1 percent of the Jewish residents, about 4,000 to 5,000 Jews, of that territory were murdered by these regimes during this period. The relatively small percentage of Jewish casualties, as compared to the 60 percent of European Jews who were murdered during the Holocaust, is largely due to the successful Allied North African Campaign and the repelling of the Axis powers from North Africa.[1]
 

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I assume you are taking issue with this position, so by all means help us out. The Arabs, as everyone is well aware, were strong supporters of Hitler and the Final solution. David Ben Gurion was there when Israel was nothing but a bunch of refugees from WW2 huddled together and that was when the terrorist attacks started. At that time, under the prompting of the Arabs the Palestinians rejected sharing the land with Israel. So enlighten us, what would your strategy have been for survival.

Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME. Map has already been shared. No one can answer why they cannot have that homeland.
 

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Wow I just heard the deep insights of Mike Pence, get this: Hamas is evil!

Who could have guessed? It never ever occurred to me that we would need to be told that people who chop off babies heads, shoot random civilians, kill people in their houses, burn them alive, rape and torture, that they were evil. I need to make a note of this, if Kamala Harris should be teaching kindergarten in public school then Mike Pence should be teaching 1st grade Sunday school.
 

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Right, they gave them notice, Z already posted that. And that's a blazes lot more than what the Hamas terrorists did to Israeli civilians! They came in the crack of dawn and butchered families. They murdered parents in front of their children, raped women, took babies hostage and the elderly! There is video coming out on all news stations. A little girl screaming as her parents tell her her sister is dead and not coming back. As they try to calm her the terrorists come in and the father tries to shield his wife and children with his body!! 200 people were murdered at a music rally. This is the worst attack on the Jews since the Holocaust. Back then they could hide it, what they were doing. But we have news journalists that are not on Israels side and are forced to report the massacre because THEY SEE IT!! Blood all over the floors of homes. They set fire to homes to cause anyone inside to run out and then killed them. This isn't about a piece of land, this is about wiping out the Jews, the same as it was under Hitler. The world said never again. It happens again before our very eyes and we say " it's not happening". It is and it has. Israel told people to get out and given them time to leave. This is war, not a tea party. They have every right to fight. And they are doing anything in the dark, BN said exactly what they are gonna do, wipe the terrorists Hamas off the map. The same thing Trump did to ISIS. How the world can, yet again, say the Jews deserved this is sickening. I wondered when I learned about the Holocaust and watched Corrie ten Boons movie in church as a youth how anyone could be so cruel. And yet here we are again, with 100% proof and people still saying it didn't happen. Satanic hatred of the Jew, still trying to finish Hitlers job.

Sorry this is an emotional rant.

I am trying to bring balance to this nightmare because the truth is both sides have had their share in atrocities.

“The attackers came at dawn, quickly occupying the town. The men were separated from the women and shot. One of the attackers, opening the door of one of the homes, found an old man standing there. He shot him. ‘He enjoyed shooting him,’ an eyewitness to the attack said afterwards.
Soon the town was empty—the entire population of 5,000 had either been killed or expelled, those who survived put on trucks, and driven to Gaza. The empty homes were looted. ‘We were very happy,’ one of the participants said afterwards. ‘If you don’t take it, someone else will. You don’t feel you have to give it back. They were not coming back.’”
The recollections of Yaakov Sharett, the son of Moshe Sharett, one of the fathers of Israel, a signatory to Israel’s Declaration of Independence, and Israel’s first Foreign Minister, and second Prime Minister. Yaakov Sharett was recounting the seizure of the Arab town of Bersheeba, in 1948, by Israeli soldiers, during Israel’s War of Independence.
 

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Broad sweeping assertions like this incite hatred. Sad

Approximately 1 percent of the Jewish residents, about 4,000 to 5,000 Jews, of that territory were murdered by these regimes during this period. The relatively small percentage of Jewish casualties, as compared to the 60 percent of European Jews who were murdered during the Holocaust, is largely due to the successful Allied North African Campaign and the repelling of the Axis powers from North Africa.[1]

So we're taking Wikipedia as fact and not the Jewish Library?! Arabs are no friend to the Jews, we have a history of wars to bear that fact out.
 

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So we're taking Wikipedia as fact and not the Jewish Library?! Arabs are no friend to the Jews, we have a history of wars to bear that fact out.

It is a matter of public record, but then have you actually studied history. Wikipedia makes this accessible rather than me going through journals.

Amazing you think they are without sin, just amazing.

Where are their prophets, they are long gone.
 
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Sure, more fear mongering and spewing of hatred.
I believe there is a wider plan with respect to the recent false flag attack on Israel, and that the wider plan does involve an internal attack on the US. This is more a warning, in my view, but to look at this as Israel/US right, Palestine/everyone else wrong is grossly oversimplified. I know there are lots of fake news stories around, but I believe the one about the attack on the inside is accurate - I suspect it might be sooner rather than later, but if it is to happen, before the next US election date in 2024. This theory also aligns with the influx of illegal, military-age, male refugees all over the place. Real refugees fleeing a war take their wives and families. Soldiers going to war do not.

I suspect the agenda is loosely around enemies taking the US from within, and the US in turn asking the UN to save them (in effect, trading its "freedom" for security).