Israel Declares War

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HeIsHere

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I didn't say you bragged, I said we are not to brag. Yes, I care about human suffering, but I also care about facts. And Hamas are terrorist and should be wiped off the map.
Should Israel be also be held accountable for their war crimes?
There are many.
 

gb9

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As a matter of CC courtesy you are on ignore.
Praise God for the ignore button, life is too short for your nonsense.
keep in mind, if someone simply follows mainstream media only, there is a lot of things that happen that the person will never know...
 

HeIsHere

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keep in mind, if someone simply follows mainstream media only, there is a lot of things that happen that the person will never know...
So true!
One has to be so careful of all information.
With AI generated images so much can be faked, very scary times.

Orwell knew what was coming..
“speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act,”
 

gb9

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So true!
One has to be so careful of all information.
With AI generated images so much can be faked, very scary times.

Orwell knew what was coming..
“speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act,”
you look at news sites in the arab world, they point out everything Israel does. and ignore what hamas does

look at news sites in the west, they do the opposite.

so, it is hard to get a honest report.
 

Gideon300

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I was very clear who the target was, if that does not describe you then there is no reason to think it was referring to you. However, we all know many in Washington DC and on the TV that it does describe. This is not a hypothetical group of people, it is a corrupt group of elite running this country.

As for Hiroshima the issue is not that we weren't right in responding to a surprise attack. The issue is that it changed the nature of war. Prior to that event civilian targets were not acceptable. Hiroshima set a precedent that you could nuke a city of people if you felt so aggrieved. That is my point. The pandemic is certainly an equal justification for others to feel aggrieved, and the US will have no leg to stand on to complain if they nuke our cities.
"civilian targets were not acceptable" To whom? You need to know some history. The reason why Tokyo was not targeted is because it had already been razed. Most homes in Japan were flimsy wooden structures. The US airforce used incendiaries. Japan had no concept of "civilian/military". Housewives were being trained to use any weapon they could in order to kill American forces. There is film of this training. Britain's Royal Airforce was bombing German cities in retaliation for Germany's attacks on population centres. Civilians were at risk as soon as aircraft could carry bombloads sufficient to do real damage.

Apart from revenge, practically the idea was to hinder war production. Dead people don't make munitions and weapons. Bombing was also intended to demoralise and terrify civilians. Bombing factories, staffed by civilians, hindered war production of course.

Bombing in WW2, especially early in the war, was incredibly inaccurate. Even if the target was military, civilians often suffered. War is hell. Human nature is no better now than in the days of the worst excesses of ancient cultures. All that is changed is the means of causing destruction and suffering.
 

HeIsHere

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you look at news sites in the arab world, they point out everything Israel does. and ignore what hamas does

look at news sites in the west, they do the opposite.

so, it is hard to get a honest report.
The hatred has become so entrenched on both sides, sad because they almost had a deal under the Oslo Accords and then Netanyahu came to office and it has been a downward spiral ever since.

Sorry gb9 but the USA is making a bad situation even worse.
 

HeIsHere

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This does not look like a proportional response to me. It is being reported a child is dying every five minutes in Gaza.

Most of them too young to have even voted for Hamas.

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ThereRoseaLamb

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So the fact the scriptures give mandatory conditions for God's chosen people to live by and follow is irrelevant to you when discussing the promised land. That's a wild take. lol
For the 495855 millionth time on here, Abrahamic covenant, unconditional, everlasting !!!!
 

gb9

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I'm talking in the terrorist attack that just happened. It's not wrong!! Over 1000 innocent Israeli civilians were murdered by Hamas! Purposely! Not by war causalities, they sought to murder civilians.
and when Israel bombs gaza, just drops bombs wherever they want, on apartments , turns off water and power for the whole area, are they not returning evil for evil???
 

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"civilian targets were not acceptable" To whom? You need to know some history. The reason why Tokyo was not targeted is because it had already been razed. Most homes in Japan were flimsy wooden structures. The US airforce used incendiaries. Japan had no concept of "civilian/military". Housewives were being trained to use any weapon they could in order to kill American forces. There is film of this training. Britain's Royal Airforce was bombing German cities in retaliation for Germany's attacks on population centres. Civilians were at risk as soon as aircraft could carry bombloads sufficient to do real damage.

Apart from revenge, practically the idea was to hinder war production. Dead people don't make munitions and weapons. Bombing was also intended to demoralise and terrify civilians. Bombing factories, staffed by civilians, hindered war production of course.

Bombing in WW2, especially early in the war, was incredibly inaccurate. Even if the target was military, civilians often suffered. War is hell. Human nature is no better now than in the days of the worst excesses of ancient cultures. All that is changed is the means of causing destruction and suffering.
There was a Star Trek TOS episode about this. "A Taste of Armageddon." -- Real war is horrible and should make us not want to wage it.
 

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"civilian targets were not acceptable" To whom? You need to know some history. The reason why Tokyo was not targeted is because it had already been razed. Most homes in Japan were flimsy wooden structures. The US airforce used incendiaries. Japan had no concept of "civilian/military". Housewives were being trained to use any weapon they could in order to kill American forces. There is film of this training. Britain's Royal Airforce was bombing German cities in retaliation for Germany's attacks on population centres. Civilians were at risk as soon as aircraft could carry bombloads sufficient to do real damage.

Apart from revenge, practically the idea was to hinder war production. Dead people don't make munitions and weapons. Bombing was also intended to demoralise and terrify civilians. Bombing factories, staffed by civilians, hindered war production of course.

Bombing in WW2, especially early in the war, was incredibly inaccurate. Even if the target was military, civilians often suffered. War is hell. Human nature is no better now than in the days of the worst excesses of ancient cultures. All that is changed is the means of causing destruction and suffering.
Once again, I will repeat this, as you have done it will be done to you. If you justify the Tokyo fire and Hiroshima don't complain when the same happens to you.
 

ZNP

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This does not look like a proportional response to me. It is being reported a child is dying every five minutes in Gaza.

Most of them too young to have even voted for Hamas.

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There is nothing proportional about it, and there is no such rule that a response needs to be proportional. If I go up to a guy in a bar and punch him once and then he responds by going berserk and killing me in a fight, that would be considered self defense.

You don't have the right to kill 100 people and then get upset if the response kills 1,000 people.
 

ZNP

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and when Israel bombs gaza, just drops bombs wherever they want, on apartments , turns off water and power for the whole area, are they not returning evil for evil???
Yes they are. No one is saying that the Jews are any more righteous than Hamas or their neighbors, they are all unbelievers and acting accordingly.

What we are saying is do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Cut off babies heads and don't cry if your babies are killed. Shoot civilians and don't complain if civilians are killed. This doesn't justify the Jews, nor does it annul God's covenant with Israel.

Everyone can understand that the Palestinians are not the same as the 1,000 or so Hamas fighters who went into Israel to kill people. The same is true of Israel, there could be many people that don't agree with the response, but they are not running the government.

What is happening is that all those judging Israel will be judged with their own words because they are condemning Israel for things their own countries have done and they justify. Some will say "Oh, I condemned that". Ok, and you don't think there are Jews who are like you and condemn what is happening and the course the government is taking?

I was in NYC during 9/11. I was very familiar with Iraq being a secular government so it didn't sound right to me that they orchestrated an extremist plot against the US. When I voiced my doubt the response was filled with hate. So I know that people who today are saying they had questions are often liars, it was very hard at that point to find anyone who was expressing any questions.
 

Gideon300

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There was a Star Trek TOS episode about this. "A Taste of Armageddon." -- Real war is horrible and should make us not want to wage it.
"Should" is a word that is irrelevant to human nature. War is woven into fallen human nature. Jesus said that there will be war, whether we want it or not.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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That's a terrible analogy. God never explicitly said the Palestinians had to be displaced from the promised land.
Yes, He did when He gave the land to the Jewish people in the Abrahamic Covenant. They were the children of the promise.

I think we agree though that a two state solution is likely to not happen. I have all but lost faith in that.
No, it will never happen because God didn't intend for it to happen. He gave the land to the Jews. Period.