Israel Declares War

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Cameron143

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What does that mean?

Why would a New Testament verse with our New Covenant answer my question about what the Old Covenant with Israel said?
When you answer this question, you will have rightly divided.
 

ZNP

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When you answer this question, you will have rightly divided.
Oh I get it, there is no verse that says God will divide the land between Israel and the Palestinians. Got it.
 

Smoke

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"Who do you think you are?"

This idea of a two state solution is truly outrageous and insulting. This would be like me buying a very nice gift for someone and then my sister stepping in and deciding it should be divided between the person I intended to give it to and someone I had specifically said would not get the gift.

I would be terrified to express this opinion, what happens when I appear before the throne and God asks me "who do you think you are?"
That's a terrible analogy. God never explicitly said the Palestinians had to be displaced from the promised land. Furthermore, if you gave a gift to someone, they can freely choose to do what they want with the gift, no? If I give you $100 for your birthday, should I complain if you use $3 to buy your wife a double dipped dip cone from Dairy Queen?

I think we agree though that a two state solution is likely to not happen. I have all but lost faith in that.
 

Cameron143

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Oh I get it, there is no verse that says God will divide the land between Israel and the Palestinians. Got it.
I never referred to the land and I've never extolled a one state solution.
 

Smoke

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The point is that we have the right to judge ourselves, but we are told specifically not to judge others. The Lord said "with what judgement you judge you shall be judged". So if I point the finger at Israel the finger will be pointed back at me. That is a serious warning. But if I point the finger at myself there is no warning, I have already judged myself.
I'm totally cool with God using the same judgment I use on Hamas for killing children. I know I'm not going to do that. Similarly, I'm cool with God judging me in the same way I have made a judgment that Israel murdering Palestinian children is wrong too.

To be fair though, I'm not even judging them. I'm stating what I believe God has commanded... "Thou shalt not murder." You sound like someone from the LGBT community who tries to say I'm judging them because I view one of their perversions as morally wrong (because of my spiritual beliefs).
 

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I don't believe there are any good solutions.
There is one good solution which nobody wants to talk about because it makes the other Arab nations responsible for the Palestinians. If Saudi Arabia would set aside a large chunk of land for all Palestinians -- an actual homeland -- and arrange for their rehabilitation with proper housing, water, utilities etc. and urge them to become productive citizens, there would not need for them to remain on slivers of land in Palestine itself. All the other Arab nations would also need to contribute funds etc.

Israel is not going anywhere, so the Palestinians must be asked to leave. Not as refugees but as full fledged citizens of their own country on the Arabian peninsula. However, the Arab nations would need to arrest and incarcerate all their evil leaders, so that the Palestinians are actually free. Will anyone take that responsibility? The prince of S. Arabia was willing to talk to Netanyahu as long as it did not impact on his own country. But if Netanyahu made this proposal, how would the prince react? I have a feeling that the Saudis actually despise the Palestinians but that is just my feeling. The Saudis treat nationals from other countries like dirt.
 

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That's a terrible analogy. God never explicitly said the Palestinians had to be displaced from the promised land. Furthermore, if you gave a gift to someone, they can freely choose to do what they want with the gift, no? If I give you $100 for your birthday, should I complain if you use $3 to buy your wife a double dipped dip cone from Dairy Queen?

I think we agree though that a two state solution is likely to not happen. I have all but lost faith in that.
The bottom line is that God has said, clearly and unequivocally, that He is giving this land to Israel. It is not up to me or you, it is His to do as He pleases. He has also said this is the apple of His eye. So if you want to spout off opinions do it about Vietnam or some other place, but to do it about Israel, you do that at your own peril. People seem to have no fear of God. I would be terrified to be spouting opinions about who this land should be given to and a "two state solution", what happens when I appear before the throne?

I ask myself "who am I to be talking about this" and I realize I am nobody, which is why I don't talk about it.

Nor have we ever been told to be the judge of who gets saved and who doesn't, or who gets Israel and who doesn't.

We can judge sin. We can says that "war is hell". We can condemn our own actions in WWII, or in Ukraine, or Vietnam, or Iraq, or wherever.

We can also condemn genocide when all the facts are presented in a court of law.

We can reiterate what are the laws of war and what violates our treaties of war.

But other than that there is a "fog of war", there is propaganda being put out by everyone including Putin, and I don't want to be a useful idiot for the propagandists.
 

Cameron143

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There is one good solution which nobody wants to talk about because it makes the other Arab nations responsible for the Palestinians. If Saudi Arabia would set aside a large chunk of land for all Palestinians -- an actual homeland -- and arrange for their rehabilitation with proper housing, water, utilities etc. and urge them to become productive citizens, there would not need for them to remain on slivers of land in Palestine itself. All the other Arab nations would also need to contribute funds etc.

Israel is not going anywhere, so the Palestinians must be asked to leave. Not as refugees but as full fledged citizens of their own country on the Arabian peninsula. However, the Arab nations would need to arrest and incarcerate all their evil leaders, so that the Palestinians are actually free. Will anyone take that responsibility? The prince of S. Arabia was willing to talk to Netanyahu as long as it did not impact on his own country. But if Netanyahu made this proposal, how would the prince react? I have a feeling that the Saudis actually despise the Palestinians but that is just my feeling. The Saudis treat nationals from other countries like dirt.
I agree that this would be a good solution under different conditions. But if the stated goal of one group is the annihilation of another group, you are merely providing a base of operations.
Another stipulation is that there would be accountability. I don't believe that is coming anytime soon either.
 

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I never referred to the land and I've never extolled a one state solution.
I have heard of a "two state solution" what do you mean by "one state solution"?
 

Cameron143

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I have heard of a "two state solution" what do you mean by "one state solution"?
I don't think a 2 state solution works either. But one state would be just that...Israel. It would give citizenship to those in Gaza.
 

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Bombshell Report! Israel Ordered Military to Stand Down During Hamas Assault
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered Israel’s military to stand down for 7 hours during Hamas’ assault on the Jewish nation last week, according to reports.

Jewish Pro-Life Foundation leader Cecily Routman, citing government sources, claimed Netanyahu ordered the stand down to allow Hamas to launch its attack in order to justify Israeli retaliation against Gaza meant to ultimately wipe the Palestinian enclave off the map.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/bomb...-military-to-stand-down-during-hamas-assault/

Apparently this is true, which means that Netanyahu is directly responsible for what happened. This is extremely disturbing and serious. In fact it is almost unbelievable.
 

ZNP

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I don't think a 2 state solution works either. But one state would be just that...Israel. It would give citizenship to those in Gaza.
Will they be required to pledge allegiance to the State of Israel?
 

ZNP

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Bombshell Report! Israel Ordered Military to Stand Down During Hamas Assault
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered Israel’s military to stand down for 7 hours during Hamas’ assault on the Jewish nation last week, according to reports.

Jewish Pro-Life Foundation leader Cecily Routman, citing government sources, claimed Netanyahu ordered the stand down to allow Hamas to launch its attack in order to justify Israeli retaliation against Gaza meant to ultimately wipe the Palestinian enclave off the map.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/bomb...-military-to-stand-down-during-hamas-assault/

Apparently this is true, which means that Netanyahu is directly responsible for what happened. This is extremely disturbing and serious. In fact it is almost unbelievable.
I think it is very believable, though there are two possible explanations:

1. Like 9/11 Netanyahu wanted an excuse to deal with Gaza once and for all.

or

2. Enemies of Israel are spreading disinformation as part of an information war.
 

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You put in assumptions. The scenario was designed to pinpoint the crux of the matter. You didn't answer because you either want to ignore or don't understand the root of the problem.

The scenario is skewed, binary and reductive.
And don't tell me I do not understand the root of the problem, your condescension is noted.

Done discussing with you,
Enjoy the rest of your day.
 

HeIsHere

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There are several principles in understanding scripture and the most important one is "no verse is of its own interpretation".

Was this what Peter was referring to?

2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Awesome question!

To Be Announced shortly!
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Was it wrong for the US to roll into Iraq during the Gulf wars, or was it wrong to roll into Germany during WWII?
Yes.
I am wondering why when any other country has a war they don't describe it as "ethnic cleansing" but when Israel does they do?
Because the Jacobites much like the Ishmaelites are indeed attempting to remove other ethnicities and religious traditions from with in their region of power.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Well then instead of condemning Israel shouldn't we be condemning ourselves in the US for putting native Americans into reservations?
Thats already over and done with, but we should recognize the human suffering that we caused and be repentant, and become peace seekers and makers.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Didn't the same thing just happen in Ukraine? Why didn't they call that ethnic cleansing?
Those folks are basically the same ethnicity. They are all cousins.