Wow, I thought "Idiotic take". Only a fool would rush headlong into a trap. Gaza no doubt is filled with traps. The area is under siege and time favors Israel as people will evacuate, drones and satellites will spy out where the enemy is, raiding parties will capture and flush out these tunnels, etc. With the power out Israel has an advantage, with the place surrounded and shut down Israel has an advantage, and with these Hamas soldiers on edge wondering when the attack will come day after day Israel holds the advantage. Also the world's attention can only stay focused on this for so long, so the longer Israel waits that also works to their advantage.
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Years ago on this site, I remember getting into it with an amillennialist, that tried to explain away how the Jews are in the Land today.
As the thread wore on, her posts become more and more ugly, completely exposing the very dark underbelly of this belief, system and taking so much of Scripture allegorically.
She eventually went down the "Jews there today are real Jews" road, and even partial holocaust denial. (Not saying all Amills are Holocaust deniers).
But when I posted a passage of Scripture that BLATANTLY said God would regather the Jews a SECOND time, (the first being after the Babylonian captivity), she lost it. And couldn't explain it away.
But I think this is the somewhat natural progression of those even today that sorta short circuit in trying to explain away Israel, and the Jews presence there today.
This is why so many Amils simply cannot bring themselves to support Israel today. It fouls up their whole theology. How can they support usurpers that "stole" land from ..... Muslims? Palestinians? Canaanites? They can't. Especially since the British gave a GIANT portion of land to them, called Jordan that the muslim inhabitants at that time REFUSED entry for them.
Now I want to be clear. The vast majority of Jews there today are Atheist/agnostic or extreme legalists (Hasidic). But there IS a remnant, and others WILL become believers.
Here is the passage very clearly saying they will be regathered a SECOND time. Which has been happening since May 14th 1948.
Isaiah 11:11
New King James Version
11 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the islands of the sea.
As the thread wore on, her posts become more and more ugly, completely exposing the very dark underbelly of this belief, system and taking so much of Scripture allegorically.
She eventually went down the "Jews there today are real Jews" road, and even partial holocaust denial. (Not saying all Amills are Holocaust deniers).
But when I posted a passage of Scripture that BLATANTLY said God would regather the Jews a SECOND time, (the first being after the Babylonian captivity), she lost it. And couldn't explain it away.
But I think this is the somewhat natural progression of those even today that sorta short circuit in trying to explain away Israel, and the Jews presence there today.
This is why so many Amils simply cannot bring themselves to support Israel today. It fouls up their whole theology. How can they support usurpers that "stole" land from ..... Muslims? Palestinians? Canaanites? They can't. Especially since the British gave a GIANT portion of land to them, called Jordan that the muslim inhabitants at that time REFUSED entry for them.
Now I want to be clear. The vast majority of Jews there today are Atheist/agnostic or extreme legalists (Hasidic). But there IS a remnant, and others WILL become believers.
Here is the passage very clearly saying they will be regathered a SECOND time. Which has been happening since May 14th 1948.
Isaiah 11:11
New King James Version
11 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the islands of the sea.
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If you don't mind some reading...
https://exegesisandtheology.com/2017/04/20/abrahamic-covenant-conditional-or-unconditional/
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Could have done all what? Shut off the power? Evacuate the Northern half of Gaza? Put the Hamas soldiers under the constant pressure of fear of an imminent attack as tanks mass on the border while bombarding Hamas strongholds and executing raids that take out leaders and Hamas units and tunnels?
They couldn't have done any of that before.
If people are not well rested they make mistakes. If you make life difficult they make mistakes. If you put them under intense pressure they make mistakes.
Meanwhile you want to keep them under constant surveillance so you can see where they are located, bobby traps they are laying, etc. Also the constant bombardement may be to entice them to go into their tunnels where they are much easier to catch and kill if you know where the tunnels are. I suspect Hamas has many, many cameras that provide them feeds. Without power how long do the batteries last? If I were going to invade I would certainly want all those cameras to be dead. Without power I suspect they need to use wifi which is relatively easy to jam.
The point I am making is every day Hamas gets weaker and Israel's position gets stronger and the world's spotlight gets dimmer.
They couldn't have done any of that before.
If people are not well rested they make mistakes. If you make life difficult they make mistakes. If you put them under intense pressure they make mistakes.
Meanwhile you want to keep them under constant surveillance so you can see where they are located, bobby traps they are laying, etc. Also the constant bombardement may be to entice them to go into their tunnels where they are much easier to catch and kill if you know where the tunnels are. I suspect Hamas has many, many cameras that provide them feeds. Without power how long do the batteries last? If I were going to invade I would certainly want all those cameras to be dead. Without power I suspect they need to use wifi which is relatively easy to jam.
The point I am making is every day Hamas gets weaker and Israel's position gets stronger and the world's spotlight gets dimmer.
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THE U.S. IS NOT PROTECTING ISRAEL, THE U.S IS PROTECTING AMERICAN INTEREST. RUSSIA, STARTED THIS WAR
"This is why Damascus will be a ruinous heap"
You have to look at all the intelligence, if Israel is about to attacked on the East by a massive wave from Iran and on the North from Hezbollah do they really want to be caught up in door to door fighting in Gaza? They can put Gaza on the back burner, maintain the seige, but focus on the other enemies as well.
"This is why Damascus will be a ruinous heap"
You have to look at all the intelligence, if Israel is about to attacked on the East by a massive wave from Iran and on the North from Hezbollah do they really want to be caught up in door to door fighting in Gaza? They can put Gaza on the back burner, maintain the seige, but focus on the other enemies as well.
When you yourself use the word anti-Semite, are you talking about prejudice against Jews, or prejudice against some other people group? How many times have you heard about anti-Semitism and thought the term referred to someone prejudiced against anyone other than Jews? How many times have you heard about anti-Semitism and found out the term referred to someone prejudiced against anyone other than Jews? I would ask the same of @Moses_Young since he disagreed with the definition of anti-Semitism.
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On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to:
Adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism :
“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/
Islamophobia -- According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word means "Intense dislike or fear of Islam, esp. as a political force; hostility or prejudice towards Muslims".
Adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism :
“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/
Islamophobia -- According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word means "Intense dislike or fear of Islam, esp. as a political force; hostility or prejudice towards Muslims".
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You who????????
Luk 13:34
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee (UNBELIEVEING ISRAELITES); how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:35
Behold, your house (THE HOUSE OF JACOB!) is left unto you (UNBELIEVEING JEWS) desolate: and verily I say unto you (UNBELIVING JEWS), Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things (INCLUDING ISRAEL!), which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
Eze 36:22
Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23
And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24
For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28
And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Eze 20:33
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Isa 27:12
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.
Isa 27:13
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
Hos 5:14
For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
Hos 6:1
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Luk 13:34
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee (UNBELIEVEING ISRAELITES); how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:35
Behold, your house (THE HOUSE OF JACOB!) is left unto you (UNBELIEVEING JEWS) desolate: and verily I say unto you (UNBELIVING JEWS), Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things (INCLUDING ISRAEL!), which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
Eze 36:22
Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23
And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24
For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28
And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Eze 20:33
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Isa 27:12
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.
Isa 27:13
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
Hos 5:14
For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
Hos 6:1
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
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I try to avoid using these types of term in any serious way. I try to only use them in an ironic or satirical way. Asserting that a person hates an entire specific ethnicity or even several ethinc groups is very presumptuous and more than likey false, and would therefore be a false accusation which is the role of satan. I never want to be satans advocate. Also if you notice i avoid calling them Semite or Semetic. I call them Jacobites and Ishmealistes. Which is no insult it merely references their respective lineages.
However to answer your question concerning who is referenced generally when the term is used, most commonly i would say that it is referencing a disregard for Jacobites. (I wonder if that is a western world thing?) Which actuality does compound the wrongness of the user of the word. They are both labeling a person erroneously and labeling a subculture of people as the whole of the people.
However to answer your question concerning who is referenced generally when the term is used, most commonly i would say that it is referencing a disregard for Jacobites. (I wonder if that is a western world thing?) Which actuality does compound the wrongness of the user of the word. They are both labeling a person erroneously and labeling a subculture of people as the whole of the people.
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I'm going to take the day off from doing back-and-forths with people on ideology/beliefs. I just want to share stories.
As much as I complain about the US, I cannot deny how fortunate I am to live in a relatively safe place with an abundance of luxuries that many people in this world don't get to have. Events like this make me truly appreciate what I have, even if today wasn't as good as yesterday.
As much as I complain about the US, I cannot deny how fortunate I am to live in a relatively safe place with an abundance of luxuries that many people in this world don't get to have. Events like this make me truly appreciate what I have, even if today wasn't as good as yesterday.
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I mean this is speculation.
I would rather go with Scripture. And Scripture specifically says God is going to regather them in the Land. And He has.
First off, they don't ALL hate Jesus. The Jews have from their very beginning had those that believed and followed God, the remnant , and the many that didn't.
And God time and again used the Nations ,"Gentiles," to discipline and punish them. But it NEVER works out well for those Nations that God used to discipline them. From Assyria, to Babylon, to Rome, to Spain, to Germany, and many others. And it is NOT good for any Christian to be in that group.
BECAUSE.... This promise is STILL in effect:
Genesis 12:3
New King James Version
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
I would rather go with Scripture. And Scripture specifically says God is going to regather them in the Land. And He has.
First off, they don't ALL hate Jesus. The Jews have from their very beginning had those that believed and followed God, the remnant , and the many that didn't.
And God time and again used the Nations ,"Gentiles," to discipline and punish them. But it NEVER works out well for those Nations that God used to discipline them. From Assyria, to Babylon, to Rome, to Spain, to Germany, and many others. And it is NOT good for any Christian to be in that group.
BECAUSE.... This promise is STILL in effect:
Genesis 12:3
New King James Version
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
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