Israel Singled Out as Number 1 Health Rights Violator by WHO/UN
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I don't watch Al Jazeera. You seem to assume I'm out to defend Muslim extremism and have a crusade against Israel. It's not the case. Just because I see something for what it is -- Crossnote's clearly illogical, sandy foundations for arguments; your moral equivocation -- doesn't mean I'm an advocate for Islamic extremism.
I dislike Israel's brutality against the Palestinians in much the same way I dislike Hamas' brutality against the Israelis. I make an attempt to understand the situation from many angles. Taking sides is the main mechanism for the perpetuation of the conflict. It just so happens that in this case, Israel has been found to be doing something destructive and horrible where healthcare is concerned. Tomorrow there'll be twenty retaliatory stories detailing Hamas' own abuses, no doubt. It's tit for tat. And it's total BS.
It's exactly why I don't sit down and think to myself "hey, I know what I'll do. I'll choose one of these two fighting tribes arbitrarily and then defend and justify everything they do from here on out, even if it happens to be something unjustifiable and indefensible". That would be an incredibly narrow way to approach the conflict.
In my eyes, they're both subject to the same standards of morality. If Israel kills a Palestinian kid I'm gonna be angry. If Hamas' kills an Israeli kid, I'm gonna be angry. Blame games and taking sides, though, are useless. Bipartisanship. It's nonsense. Republican : Democrat. Palestine: Israel. Christian : Muslim. Stick to your side nomatter how idiotically they behave.
WHY?
I dislike Israel's brutality against the Palestinians in much the same way I dislike Hamas' brutality against the Israelis. I make an attempt to understand the situation from many angles. Taking sides is the main mechanism for the perpetuation of the conflict. It just so happens that in this case, Israel has been found to be doing something destructive and horrible where healthcare is concerned. Tomorrow there'll be twenty retaliatory stories detailing Hamas' own abuses, no doubt. It's tit for tat. And it's total BS.
It's exactly why I don't sit down and think to myself "hey, I know what I'll do. I'll choose one of these two fighting tribes arbitrarily and then defend and justify everything they do from here on out, even if it happens to be something unjustifiable and indefensible". That would be an incredibly narrow way to approach the conflict.
In my eyes, they're both subject to the same standards of morality. If Israel kills a Palestinian kid I'm gonna be angry. If Hamas' kills an Israeli kid, I'm gonna be angry. Blame games and taking sides, though, are useless. Bipartisanship. It's nonsense. Republican : Democrat. Palestine: Israel. Christian : Muslim. Stick to your side nomatter how idiotically they behave.
WHY?
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Gee I wonder why other Arab nations don't want the Palestinians? Could it be for the same reasons that Israel doesn't want them? Seems the only stupid people are the ones who are dead set on introducing cancer to themselves....like Europe, America and the U.K.
At least israel has the gnads to push back against the advance of Islam. They might be all alone before too long. I'd hate to be your friend for fear of you pushing me out in front of a bus.
At least israel has the gnads to push back against the advance of Islam. They might be all alone before too long. I'd hate to be your friend for fear of you pushing me out in front of a bus.
Plenty of Palestinians have moved to the surrounding Arab countries (those who Israel didn't blockade in, at least), but many wish to stay out of principal. Much of the land you call "Israel" was apportioned to the Palestinians. It's theirs, by international law. And Israel are breaking the codes of the Geneva Convention by occupying parts of it.
But for a wider narrative, Israel planted itself in the middle of several Arab, Semitic, mostly Muslim states, effectively displacing millions of people after the second world war. It was the British who engineered that. Technically, the Palestinians just want back what they consider to be rightfully theirs. Of course it depends how you define ownership. Then I suppose that's what this thread is really about, anyway: you have the idea that Israel is "right", (regardless of its abuses), because Israel is featured in the bible as God's chosen people. Even though, ironically, barely any of them profess Jesus to have died and risen from death.
It's funny, there's a helluva lot of irony in the whole scenario. I mean, another instance of it, is how the Ashkenazis were given land from the British Mandate (land that wasn't the British's land to give), in order to escape genocide and eugenics and horrifically discriminative treatment in Germany, only to displace millions of innocent Palestinians (many of whom had fought for the Allies in the war), to then begin an expanstionistic, imperialistic, heavily discriminatory campaign (some might say prolonged genocide) against the Palestinians, who, of course, got absolutely no help from the British, French, or indeed Americans who had so callously betrayed their services.
But, whatever, you know. Let's disregard all that, because thousands of years ago, a small stretch of land in the middle of Modern Israel was home to the ancient Judaistic religion and its adherents. Nevermind that most of Israel wasn't (and still isn't) Jewish, because you had the Ephraim, the Samaritans, Samarians, those who followed Egyptian religions, then in Jesus' time you had all these plus Buddhists, Confucians, and Zoroastrians. But still. It belongs to the Jews, right? (Most ethnic Jews are actually atheists, nowadays, just so you know).
And by that logic, I am brought full circle, Sirk, right back to you. If that land still belongs to the Jews because it belonged to the collective Israelis (of many religions) two thousand years ago, then you better pack up and get back to England, because you're no Native American! :'D
But for a wider narrative, Israel planted itself in the middle of several Arab, Semitic, mostly Muslim states, effectively displacing millions of people after the second world war. It was the British who engineered that. Technically, the Palestinians just want back what they consider to be rightfully theirs. Of course it depends how you define ownership. Then I suppose that's what this thread is really about, anyway: you have the idea that Israel is "right", (regardless of its abuses), because Israel is featured in the bible as God's chosen people. Even though, ironically, barely any of them profess Jesus to have died and risen from death.
It's funny, there's a helluva lot of irony in the whole scenario. I mean, another instance of it, is how the Ashkenazis were given land from the British Mandate (land that wasn't the British's land to give), in order to escape genocide and eugenics and horrifically discriminative treatment in Germany, only to displace millions of innocent Palestinians (many of whom had fought for the Allies in the war), to then begin an expanstionistic, imperialistic, heavily discriminatory campaign (some might say prolonged genocide) against the Palestinians, who, of course, got absolutely no help from the British, French, or indeed Americans who had so callously betrayed their services.
But, whatever, you know. Let's disregard all that, because thousands of years ago, a small stretch of land in the middle of Modern Israel was home to the ancient Judaistic religion and its adherents. Nevermind that most of Israel wasn't (and still isn't) Jewish, because you had the Ephraim, the Samaritans, Samarians, those who followed Egyptian religions, then in Jesus' time you had all these plus Buddhists, Confucians, and Zoroastrians. But still. It belongs to the Jews, right? (Most ethnic Jews are actually atheists, nowadays, just so you know).
And by that logic, I am brought full circle, Sirk, right back to you. If that land still belongs to the Jews because it belonged to the collective Israelis (of many religions) two thousand years ago, then you better pack up and get back to England, because you're no Native American! :'D
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The land belongs to the Jews because Arab nations attacked them and they took it and kept it as a buffer zone. I don't know about you but when people are talking about your destruction it would be pretty dumb to allow them to have missiles stationed right on your border. And if you say that if Israel just gives them back their land all will live in peace and harmony you're fooling yourself. The Palestinians are pawns being used by Syria and Iran to push Israel into the sea.
I'm under no illusions. They'll probably keep being attacked, even if the move themselves out of Palestinian land, but the fact that they've actually built permanent settlements on that land shows they never intended to leave at all. It's expansionism; the same thing Hitler did when he invaded Poland. Justify it any way you like but that's what it is.
Israel's missile defenses are world-class, but yes, it would be an inconvenience to have a nation with missiles along your border. Though, the same thing happened with Korea not too many years ago. The US intervened a created a 2.5 mile wide demilitarization zone. I would suggest evacuating the Israeli settlers from occupied Palestine, re-establishing the legal borders and doing the same thing.
As for Iran and Syria; who in Syria is using the Palestinians as a pawn, if the Syrian government was a puppet for the US, now defunkt because it attempted to hold actual real self determined elections; and the crazies who now occupy Syria do not share Palestinian interests? And why would an ISIS controlled Syria (basically a bunch of religious fanatics with bloodlust, who want to convert the world to extremist Islam by force), have anything to do with a progressive and relatively liberal Islamic country (relatively!), that recognizes the legitimacy of other religions?
Iran and ISIS and Hamas are worlds apart, despite sharing a semblance of the same religion. Their goals and politics don't easily overlap.
Israel's missile defenses are world-class, but yes, it would be an inconvenience to have a nation with missiles along your border. Though, the same thing happened with Korea not too many years ago. The US intervened a created a 2.5 mile wide demilitarization zone. I would suggest evacuating the Israeli settlers from occupied Palestine, re-establishing the legal borders and doing the same thing.
As for Iran and Syria; who in Syria is using the Palestinians as a pawn, if the Syrian government was a puppet for the US, now defunkt because it attempted to hold actual real self determined elections; and the crazies who now occupy Syria do not share Palestinian interests? And why would an ISIS controlled Syria (basically a bunch of religious fanatics with bloodlust, who want to convert the world to extremist Islam by force), have anything to do with a progressive and relatively liberal Islamic country (relatively!), that recognizes the legitimacy of other religions?
Iran and ISIS and Hamas are worlds apart, despite sharing a semblance of the same religion. Their goals and politics don't easily overlap.
well at least we agree on the dangers that Israel faces. As for Syria, it's pretty well known that hezbolla is a proxy for Iran and they operate from Syria and would like to operate from the Golan and the West Bank. As to comparing Israel for occupying land taken when they were invaded, to Germany's unprovoked aggression in Eastern Europe is quite the stretch.
