Kim's war on Christmas

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Senior Member
Jul 22, 2012
North Korea is among the worst country for Christian persecution
so it doesn’t surprise me.

Incidentally if anyone isn’t familiar with open doors,
you might want to check out their website.

From time to time we get Christians and missionaries visiting
our church who work in persecuted countries. We also have
staff at our church who work for radio worldwide who broadcast
to persecuted Christians, mostly in the countries ending with “stan”
It’s a real eye opener and makes you feel thankful to live in a free country.

The persecuted church by the way, tends to be very strong and faithful.
They take nothing for granted and there are no wishywashy Christians,
none cold etc, they are all red hot. They have to be 100% certain of
their faith to risk labour camps, prison and death for their faith.

Also watch the video on the link

Once again, North Korea is ranked as the most oppressive
place in the world for Christians, #1 on the World Watch List.
In this totalitarian communist state, Christians are forced
to hide their faith completely from government authorities,
neighbours and often, even their own spouses and children.

Due to ever-present surveillance, many pray with eyes open,
and gathering for praise or fellowship is practically impossible.
Worship of the ruling Kim family is mandated for all citizens,
and those who don’t comply (including Christians) are arrested,
imprisoned, tortured or killed. Entire Christian families are
imprisoned in hard labor camps, where unknown numbers
die each year from torture, beatings, overexertion and starvation.

Those who attempt to flee to South Korea through China
risk execution or life imprisonment, and those who stay
behind often fare no better.

Through local partners, Open Doors is serving Christians in
North Korea by providing them with emergency relief aid,
including food, medicine and clothes, as well as Bibles, books
and other discipleship materials. Open Doors partners in
China also provide shelter and aid for Christians who have
fled the country, as well as training for those who wish to
return to North Korea for ministry.


Senior Member
Jul 22, 2012
By the way, North Korea with all the statues to bow down to and the
pictures of the Kim family, reminds me very much of Nebuchadnezzar and

Daniel 1:1 NKJV
[1] In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar
king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it.

Daniel 3:1-6 NKJV
[1] Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height
was sixty cubits and its width six cubits. He set it up in the plain
of Dura, in the province of Babylon.

[2] And King Nebuchadnezzar sent word to gather together the satraps,
the administrators, the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, the
judges, the magistrates, and all the officials of the provinces, to
come to the dedication of the image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

[3] So the satraps, the administrators, the governors, the counselors,
the treasurers, the judges, the magistrates, and all the officials of the
provinces gathered together for the dedication of the image that King
Nebuchadnezzar had set up; and they stood before the image that
Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

[4] Then a herald cried aloud: "To you it is commanded, O peoples,
nations, and languages, [5] that at the time you hear the sound of
the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds
of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King
Nebuchadnezzar has set up; [6] and whoever does not fall down
and worship shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning
fiery furnace."


Senior Member
Nov 27, 2017
I don't do Christmas, but I do not go about condemning others for doing it. Christmas can, admittedly, be irritating to me at times, and I suppose that if I did it, it would not be so irritating.

However, I find the attitudes of some who do Christmas to be as bad as some who are militantly against it: for example, the cashier in a store who wish me a merry Christmas as I was gathering my bags of goods I had just paid her for. It was early in the season, so I thought it was sweet of her to wish anyone "merry Christmas" at that time. I turned to her and, smiling, wished her, "Happy holidays." Her head whipped around, her eyes squinted, and she snapped at me with a through gritted teeth, "Merry Christmas!!" I was stunned. I said nothing more, as I watch this, then watched her staring at me with a bitter-looking face. I just walked out, saying nothing more. Between this and the unasked-for lectures I have occasionally gotten, well. . . .

I recognize that many who do Christmas do so "as unto the L-RD" (KJV). But many of us who don't do Christmas do not do it "as unto the L-RD." It is too bad that so many, on both sides of this issue, try to honor G-D through bad actions and attitudes and by using words that surely embarrass our L-RD.


Senior Member
Aug 28, 2012
Atheists celebrate Christmas too
The difference between them and most of us is that they don't know why the celebrate it, besides that it was tradition.


Senior Member
Mar 19, 2011
Christmas is just a social construct. It has no biblical basis so I don't really care but there is not a war on Christmas


Senior Member
Feb 28, 2016
oh yes, there is definitely a 'war' on xmas, it's mostly for those who know the origins and
respect what real and true history informs us of, and then, there are those that just go along
with man's/carnal/tradition -
and what makes them feel good and happy, for a little while...and there is no wonder why the masses
go where ever they are led in order to make themselves feel better, in this 'fallen-sick-world'...


Senior Member
May 8, 2014
I don't see a war on Christmas as much as I see a war against Christ.