Let's Discuss Black Lives Matter...The Movement

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rastai

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I bet you stay awake at night hoping to see Santa. ;)
Saw tons of videos of BLM protestors chasing off unknown looters. whether they were antifa or right wingers is anyones guess but they were not part of that movement
 

rastai

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Denial does not change the truth. You might hopefully come to see that some fine day.
yes if i stop believing my eyes and ears and start to believe in outlandish conspiracies based of of "gut" feelings
 

CS1

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It wasn't blm rioting. That was mainly right wing agitators. If under the next administration things don't change they will be back out to peacefully protest just like before
BLM is not even about Black lives the org. is a front to cause chaos. Black people who are and were speaking out will tell you that movement was highjack by the left extreme.
 

SophieT

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Saw tons of videos of BLM protestors chasing off unknown looters. whether they were antifa or right wingers is anyones guess but they were not part of that movement
Do you have those links? Educate us ;)
 

CS1

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Do you have those links? Educate us ;)

This is true there were many of them in the beginning but you have to go to the founding of the org. which came out of ACORN.

Pre COVID-19 BLM was walking down the street in TX shouting "Pig's in a blanket, fry them like bacon". The cop-killing stated under Obama, not Trump. Now they have grown with ANTIFA and have looted and destroyed many black businesses and communities.

Floyd was wrong yet many Democratic-controlled states protested about the Floyd murder and were not even in that state yet they robbed killed and burn down people's businesses who had nothing to do with that. all done during a lockdown for pandemic and Democratic Governor and Mayors said they have the right to do so but the rest of us were to isolate. And those doing were mostly NON-black.
 

rastai

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BLM is not even about Black lives the org. is a front to cause chaos. Black people who are and were speaking out will tell you that movement was highjack by the left extreme.
I am not a supporter of the BLM charter. But the fact is that blackpeople continue to be marginalized in this society. The justice system discriminates with higher rates of brutality and incarceration. Most of the protestors believe this but you guys dig up the BLM charter and say it's a front. Well maybe but if that is the case why not at the same time call out the injustice. Instead you say BLM is bad because this and that and if anything you deny that there is discrimination. It has been going on for 400 years to one degree or another and it needs to stop. BLM is not my first choice to lead that cause but it is to big of a problem to ignore and they are bringing attention to it. So what is your alternative? do nothing. Or do you just believe the completely out of touch notion that racism and racial discrimination no longer exist?
 

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I am not a supporter of the BLM charter. But the fact is that blackpeople continue to be marginalized in this society. The justice system discriminates with higher rates of brutality and incarceration. Most of the protestors believe this but you guys dig up the BLM charter and say it's a front. Well maybe but if that is the case why not at the same time call out the injustice. Instead you say BLM is bad because this and that and if anything you deny that there is discrimination. It has been going on for 400 years to one degree or another and it needs to stop. BLM is not my first choice to lead that cause but it is to big of a problem to ignore and they are bringing attention to it. So what is your alternative? do nothing. Or do you just believe the completely out of touch notion that racism and racial discrimination no longer exist?
I'm against BLM because they are for disrupting the nuclear family in favor of a community/village raised family model. I think one of the biggest predictors of future success for children is the presence of a father in the home as opposed to just a single-mother raising the child. This is considered "western" franchised "nuclear family". Call it whatever you want, what isn't debatable is that children do better with two parents versus one. I disagree with bypassing our personal responsibility to raise and teach our children to other people (school, extended family, friends, the community, etc...). If you aren't ready to devote your life to raising your children to be productive and independent then you should have children.

Is seems like encouraging men, in particular in the Black community where it is even more prevalent for single-parent homes, is taken as offensive speech. The responsibility is deflected from the father to now the government to intervene and play daddy. I'm not against government assistance, but I also want people to understand the importance of personal responsibility within their immediate family. In other words, no shifting of responsibility, no community/village expectations for raising children. If BLM can't condemn the Black community for doing things they shouldn't be doing (dead beat fathers), then it's a futile battle to improve life for Black people. We have to acknowledge there is a problem in order to fix it.
 

CS1

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I am not a supporter of the BLM charter. But the fact is that blackpeople continue to be marginalized in this society. The justice system discriminates with higher rates of brutality and incarceration. Most of the protestors believe this but you guys dig up the BLM charter and say it's a front. Well maybe but if that is the case why not at the same time call out the injustice. Instead you say BLM is bad because this and that and if anything you deny that there is discrimination. It has been going on for 400 years to one degree or another and it needs to stop. BLM is not my first choice to lead that cause but it is to big of a problem to ignore and they are bringing attention to it. So what is your alternative? do nothing. Or do you just believe the completely out of touch notion that racism and racial discrimination no longer exist?

The only reason why there is a perceived marginalizing of black people today is from the " slave mentality " they suffer from.
And identity crisis. The Latino American Mexican which I am, do this too. The most critical of each of these groups is within each of these classes of people. Yet many will not make the changes needed to get what they need to be done like leave the Democratic party.

IF you fail you address the programs that were designed to destroy you and make them the center of their community and support it when it was founded on discrimination and racism that makes you 1. deceived 2. a fool.

Welfare= program designed to keep black and Latino fathers out of the house to get the 1st & 15th check. That is racist and discriminatory yet the main platform of the DNC.

Abortion = created by a white racist women democrat Marget sanger in 1922 to reduce the population of blacks She was a key note speaker of the KKK and her PPA is the main platform on the DNC

The Educational system of public school= failed and has been failing the black community for decades and nothing has changed. The Teacher's union is part of the DNC and support them always.

What do they do the leaders of the Black community? do they address these racist programs or biased standards? NO.

They tell those to rise up and protest the killing of a criminal high on Fentanyl and who was wrongfully killed by a cop yes,

BUT will not address the 3-year black little girl shot in the head and other children in Chicago, New York by other black men.

Know finds that odd? Who is running Chicago? who is running Detroit? and all these locations where there are blacks being marginalized? Democrats are leading it, many people of color too.


BLM doesn't matter because the narrative was built on a lie and false.
 

SophieT

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This is true there were many of them in the beginning but you have to go to the founding of the org. which came out of ACORN.

Pre COVID-19 BLM was walking down the street in TX shouting "Pig's in a blanket, fry them like bacon". The cop-killing stated under Obama, not Trump. Now they have grown with ANTIFA and have looted and destroyed many black businesses and communities.

Floyd was wrong yet many Democratic-controlled states protested about the Floyd murder and were not even in that state yet they robbed killed and burn down people's businesses who had nothing to do with that. all done during a lockdown for pandemic and Democratic Governor and Mayors said they have the right to do so but the rest of us were to isolate. And those doing were mostly NON-black.
The destruction of private small business is heartbreaking. They obviously do not care about black lives at all. Yes I am aware about out of state, driven in domestic terrorists (that's what they are no matter what they call themselves). I've seen the news where police come across vans filled with things to use while rioting, signs and fireworks and so on. It's well organized.

Antifa, from what I gather, is actually more of a 'movement' than a group like BLM but that works in their favor. Frankly I can't believe what they get away with, injuring people and so on.

As far as Obama goes, I think he did much to create another narrative about 'white privilege' and stir up antagonism between the races.
 

SophieT

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BUT will not address the 3-year black little girl shot in the head and other children in Chicago, New York by other black men.
This is where the truth of what BLM is, really stands out. The innocent lives lost in black on black murders is beyond comprehension and they totally ignore it. When I see the little faces and hear those children have been killed by members of their own community, I am hurt for those that loved them, but the so called movement to put blacks forward have nothing to say.
 

CS1

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The destruction of private small business is heartbreaking. They obviously do not care about black lives at all. Yes I am aware about out of state, driven in domestic terrorists (that's what they are no matter what they call themselves). I've seen the news where police come across vans filled with things to use while rioting, signs and fireworks and so on. It's well organized.

Antifa, from what I gather, is actually more of a 'movement' than a group like BLM but that works in their favor. Frankly I can't believe what they get away with, injuring people and so on.

As far as Obama goes, I think he did much to create another narrative about 'white privilege' and stir up antagonism between the races.
"white privilege " is a false narrative and more about individual "white guilt" which I might add made a lot of money for white people over black people. I keynote speaker in WA was speaking on the issues of "WP". She was speaking of the financial disparities between whites and blacks, a very important topic to many. She was paid to speak at this event $12, 000. There was a young black woman also a keynote speaker at this very same event who spoke, she was paid $6,000 to speak at this same event. Can you tell me again about the seriousness of financial disparities between whites and blacks again, somehow I am having an issue with the hypocrites the Democrats displayed here.
 

SophieT

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"white privilege " is a false narrative and more about individual "white guilt" which I might add made a lot of money for white people over black people. I keynote speaker in WA was speaking on the issues of "WP". She was speaking of the financial disparities between whites and blacks, a very important topic to many. She was paid to speak at this event $12, 000. There was a young black woman also a keynote speaker at this very same event who spoke, she was paid $6,000 to speak at this same event. Can you tell me again about the seriousness of financial disparities between whites and blacks again, somehow I am having an issue with the hypocrites the Democrats displayed here.
You can't make this stuff up :oops:
 

calibob

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This is true there were many of them in the beginning but you have to go to the founding of the org. which came out of ACORN.

Pre COVID-19 BLM was walking down the street in TX shouting "Pig's in a blanket, fry them like bacon". The cop-killing stated under Obama, not Trump. Now they have grown with ANTIFA and have looted and destroyed many black businesses and communities.

Floyd was wrong yet many Democratic-controlled states protested about the Floyd murder and were not even in that state yet they robbed killed and burn down people's businesses who had nothing to do with that. all done during a lockdown for pandemic and Democratic Governor and Mayors said they have the right to do so but the rest of us were to isolate. And those doing were mostly NON-black.
Looters are opportunists'. They need not have any connection to the demonstration, they are reactionaries who pretty well know that lawless behavior to the point that law enforcement needs to huddle up and develop strategies. The looters take the opportunity to loot and pillage the village,,, and get away with it.

Agitators know fully well that a full scale riot condition will cause the law enforcement side of the equation to regroup and let the antisocials have the opportunity to steal during chaos, with little chance of consequences. Vandalism is not the same as looting. Yes there is a strong connection however they are not the same either.

Let's use drinking alcohol on New Years Eve as a different kind of example. During NYE celebrations many drink alcohol, some to excess, even less that drink, drive. A smaller amount get arrested or get involved with accidents. Most of us don't blame holidays, celebrations or alcohol for drunk driving accidents. Or we'd vote for banning New Years, celebrations and / or alcohol!
 

CS1

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Looters are opportunists'. They need not have any connection to the demonstration, they are reactionaries who pretty well know that lawless behavior to the point that law enforcement needs to huddle up and develop strategies. The looters take the opportunity to loot and pillage the village,,, and get away with it.

Agitators know fully well that a full scale riot condition will cause the law enforcement side of the equation to regroup and let the antisocials have the opportunity to steal during chaos, with little chance of consequences. Vandalism is not the same as looting. Yes there is a strong connection however they are not the same either.

Let's use drinking alcohol on New Years Eve as a different kind of example. During NYE celebrations many drink alcohol, some to excess, even less that drink, drive. A smaller amount get arrested or get involved with accidents. Most of us don't blame holidays, celebrations or alcohol for drunk driving accidents. Or we'd vote for banning New Years, celebrations and / or alcohol!
Yes, lawlessness is the reason which is sin in action.
 

rastai

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This is true there were many of them in the beginning but you have to go to the founding of the org. which came out of ACORN.

Pre COVID-19 BLM was walking down the street in TX shouting "Pig's in a blanket, fry them like bacon". The cop-killing stated under Obama, not Trump. Now they have grown with ANTIFA and have looted and destroyed many black businesses and communities.

Floyd was wrong yet many Democratic-controlled states protested about the Floyd murder and were not even in that state yet they robbed killed and burn down people's businesses who had nothing to do with that. all done during a lockdown for pandemic and Democratic Governor and Mayors said they have the right to do so but the rest of us were to isolate. And those doing were mostly NON-black.
Exactly and we
Are you saying white supremacists ?!
I am saying neither of us know who was responsible for the looting. We saw people peacefully protesting and we saw people looting. Who are the looters? do they have an agenda? Show some facts that these looters were in fact supporters of BLM. For all we know they were white supremacists looking to agitate. If they are BLM supporters then show some people or group saying that they support BLM and the that they also support burning businesses. At worst you might come up with some people who are toppling statues but I would not put that in the looting category. I am saying that BLM supporters were not burning any businesses. If they were then they should go to jail. Either way BLM whether good or bad is kinda besides the point. The whole point of the protests wasnt the orgination called BLM the point was that Black people's lives matter and that police should stop brutalizing people and that the crimnial justice system should be equitable. That is the priority. Are you afraid to say that you do not like the marxism or lack of family values espoused by BLM but at the same time you can't say police should stop killing and incarcerating based on skin color. I am saying the movement of BLM is quite different from the organization BLM but neither is directly responsible for the burning and looting and we in fact do not know who is.
 

CS1

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Exactly and we

I am saying neither of us know who was responsible for the looting. We saw people peacefully protesting and we saw people looting. Who are the looters? do they have an agenda? Show some facts that these looters were in fact supporters of BLM. For all we know they were white supremacists looking to agitate. If they are BLM supporters then show some people or group saying that they support BLM and the that they also support burning businesses. At worst you might come up with some people who are toppling statues but I would not put that in the looting category. I am saying that BLM supporters were not burning any businesses. If they were then they should go to jail. Either way BLM whether good or bad is kinda besides the point. The whole point of the protests wasnt the orgination called BLM the point was that Black people's lives matter and that police should stop brutalizing people and that the crimnial justice system should be equitable. That is the priority. Are you afraid to say that you do not like the marxism or lack of family values espoused by BLM but at the same time you can't say police should stop killing and incarcerating based on skin color. I am saying the movement of BLM is quite different from the organization BLM but neither is directly responsible for the burning and looting and we in fact do not know who is.

There was no peaceful protesting there were those who violated the rules set by democrat leaders that gave special treatment to protestors when the rest of us were not. we had to close our business. it was BLM who were shouting "NO Justice no peace". were all Black people doing that? NO. BUT ALL BLM was Just because people were not looting does that mean the KKK who did not bomb churches were peaceful? NO!. IF you support BLM you supported their action by default. As I said BLM is not about black people it's about chaos and anarchy. Black people were manipulated by Marxist communist groups hiding as a civil rights activist.