Let's get this over with POLL - TRUMP or CLINTON?

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  • I vote for Donald Trump - by casting this vote, I'm affirming I believe he will make my country bett

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In order to reply my answer will be derailing,No offence Mitspa but I'm under grace not law.
What? that makes no sense to the point I made? God raises up men to bring His Will to pass ..Patton was clearly one of those men...whether Trump is or not? Is yet to be seen ... but its time for a man like trump to come in a take charge and people getting their feelings hurt..dont matter in the big picture
 
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Trump is sort of the antithesis to the feminized male syndrome that the American male suffers from....and they don't even know it. I think the brainwashing is so deeply rooted that when a man stands up and acts like a man they don't what to do with it except hate it.
 
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Some states still allow write ins. :) I can't stand either candidate and it saddens me that my fellow Americans voted them in during the primaries. It just shows how blind and delusional they are. Breaks my heart. I do still plan on voting, after all there are other things to vote for. As for the President section of the ballot... I still have till Nov to continue to seek God on this. :(
Isn't it something, the process we all watched from the beginning of the primaries? Look what it led to? It seemed obvious early on that something was disturbingly different. The debates were taken over by insults and sound bites that the audience responded to and polls showed were effective. People in both parties were really angry, and for good reason. Republican voters seem to want an insurgent candidate who was disrespectful of the Washington establishment they feel has failed them. Democrat voters were also upset. They want someone who is not like the Hope and Change guy that they felt let them down. They want someone even more left-wing and even less interested in working with Republicans. They want someone like Bernie Sanders, who promises to make the rich pay for college and also pay for even more free health care, and a list of other things they want for free.

Years ago a Christian man from the state I grew up in retired from coaching football and ran for Congress. He probably had a 99% approval rating. He won and arrived in Washington to find out how corrupt the process is and how so many politicians take so many hand-outs and pretend it's not influencing their votes. He and his wife decided it was no place for a man with his values, and he returned home after serving one term. The people you and I want to represent us and fight for our values, are smart enough not to get into politics to begin with. Christians don't want to be yoked to something that can ensnare them and draw them away from God. So we often get people who claim a Christian faith or people who avoid publically discussing matters of faith. I think we actually had 3-4 people of faith that would have been quite acceptable, but they got run over by the media circus surrounding Donald Trump. They didn't get much time to speak during the debates and their low polling numbers ended up putting them into the junior debate. The issue of illegal immigration gave Trump an issue he could use to steal the spotlight and control the debates. It was a brilliant tactical move. Poll numbers showed people wanted a loud talking guy who made wild promises and acted like he could get things done.

The day after this falls elections, all you will hear is Trump saying he was betrayed by his party from the beginning and he never had a chance to fulfill his destiny. He'll suggest that if all Republicans would have gotten behind him from the start, he'd have defeated Hillary. He will not apologize for saying and doing things that made it impossible for Republicans, and especially evangelicals, to support him. Then he will fly off in his private jet to go party with celebrities, suggesting to them he may just become a Democrat so he can be their nominee in four years. It would not shock me. I am as saddened as you.
 
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I'm not In agreement with democrats but President Obama did not say childish things and expect to be taken seriously.

I think Donald Trump Is not truthful and would make major mistakes and would be worser than president Obama.
When I fall off my bike and land on my head, I go see a doctor to make sure I haven't damaged something. Did you fall and land on your head?

President Obama is not truthful.
Before being elected, he specifically sought out and attended a church to attend that was the most radical and left-wing possible. Afro-centric is what I believe he called it. He referred to Reverend Wright as his mentor. The same man who curse the United State and said our government gave aids to blacks. The same man who awarded the Nation of Islam leader and anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award. Obama's wife stated she had never been proud of her country in her entire life.


President Obama said things that were sometimes stupid, sometimes childish, and sometimes evil. Some examples;

“If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” — Barack Obama
“The private sector is doing fine.” — Barack Obama
“I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.” — Barack Obama
“I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” — Barack Obama
“I mean, if you think about — if you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? No, they are. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems.” — Barack Obama makes the case for socialized medicine in a rather odd fashion
“You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” — Barack Obama
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons. I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.” — Barack Obama
“I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby.” — Barack Obama
“…I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” — Barack Obama

Rick Warren: “…Now, let’s deal with abortion; 40 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. As a pastor, I have to deal with this all of the time, all of the pain and all of the conflicts. I know this is a very complex issue. Forty million abortions, at what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?”Barack Obama: “Well, you know, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.”
“…I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth. This was the moment — this was the time — when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves and our highest ideals.” — Barack Obama
“But I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.” — Barack Obama
“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK. That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen.” — Barack Obama
“It’s very rare that I come to an event where I’m like the fifth- or sixth-most interesting person.” — Barack Obama
“The issue here is not gonna be a list of accomplishments. As you said yourself, Steve, you know, I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln.” — Barack Obama
“I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.” — Barack Obama
“No, no. I have been practicing…I bowled a 129. It’s like — it was like Special Olympics, or something.” — Barack Obama
“I won.” — Barack Obama to Republicans in Congress who were trying to discuss the stimulus plan with him
“Whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower….” — Barack Obama
“And if that child should ever get the chance to travel the world and someone should ask her where is she from, we believe that she should always be able to hold her head high with pride in her voice when she answers, ‘I am an American.’ That is the course we seek. That is the change we are calling for.” — Barack Obama
“You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a (flag) pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest…” — Barack Obama
“I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. …” — Barack Obama
“Junkie. Pothead. That’s where I’d been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. Except the highs hadn’t been about that, me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then, anyway. I got high for just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory. I had discovered that it didn’t make any difference whether you smoked reefer in the white classmate’s sparkling new van, or in the dorm room of some brother you’d met down at the gym, or on the beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school and now spent most of their time looking for an excuse to brawl. …You might just be bored, or alone. Everybody was welcome into the club of disaffection.” — Barack Obama
“…I inhaled frequently. That was the point.” — Barack Obama
“On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.” — Barack Obama
“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.” — Barack Obama

As Sen. Hillary Clinton was preparing to campaign here today, Sen. Barack Obama was meeting with voters at a diner and apparently pretty hungry.“Why can’t I just eat my waffle?” he said, when asked a foreign policy question by a reporter at the Glider Diner. — Barack Obama
“When I meet with world leaders, what’s striking — whether it’s in Europe or here in Asia…” — Barack Obama, mistakenly referring to Hawaii as Asia while holding a press conference outside Honolulu, Nov. 16, 2011
“In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” — Barack Obama, on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people
“Making products we sell around the world, stamped with three proud words, ‘Made in the USA!’” — Barack Obama
“I don’t believe it is possible to transcend race in this country. Race is a factor in this society. The legacy of Jim Crow and slavery has not gone away. It is not an accident that African-Americans experience high crime rates, are poor, and have less wealth. It is a direct result of our racial history.” — Barack Obama
“Let’s not play games. I was suggesting – you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith.” — Barack Obama

“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society’s stifling conventions. We weren’t indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated.But this strategy alone couldn’t provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerant. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.” — Barack Obama
“It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned: (White) People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied, they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn’t seem angry all the time.” — Barack Obama
“That’s just how white folks will do you. It wasn’t merely the cruelty involved; I was learning that black people could be mean and then some. It was a particular brand of arrogance, an obtuseness in otherwise sane people that brought forth our bitter laughter. It was as if whites didn’t know that they were being cruel in the first place. Or at least thought you deserving of their scorn.” — Barack Obama
“It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!” — Barack Obama quotes Rev. Wright
“Nobody really thinks that Bush or McCain have a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he’s not patriotic enough. He’s got a funny name. You know, he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He’s risky.” — Barack Obama
“I can no more disown (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.” — Barack Obama
“The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person…” — Barack Obama
“If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s gonna be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.” — Barack Obama
“My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.” — Barack Obama

 
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Look if you don't believe the Almighty God made Patton a great general for the very purpose he fulfilled..i don't think you understand God and how He works in the affairs of Men.
In order to reply my answer will be derailing,No offence Mitspa but I'm under grace not law.
What? that makes no sense to the point I made? God raises up men to bring His Will to pass ..Patton was clearly one of those men...whether Trump is or not? Is yet to be seen ... but its time for a man like trump to come in a take charge and people getting their feelings hurt..dont matter in the big picture
Me and you should not be like the world,thats what I meant.
 
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Trump is sort of the antithesis to the feminized male syndrome that the American male suffers from....and they don't even know it. I think the brainwashing is so deeply rooted that when a man stands up and acts like a man they don't what to do with it except hate it.
trump is acting more like someone with such deep seated insecurities that he feels the need to constantly prove his manliness to the world...which he tries to do by acting like a walking michael bay movie...

i think the napoleon complex is so deeply entrenched into male self esteem these days that when an emotionally stunted seventy year old stands up and acts exactly like an emotionally stunted seventy year old...they applaud it because it conforms to their fantasies associated with that complex...
 
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trump is acting more like someone with such deep seated insecurities that he feels the need to constantly prove his manliness to the world...which he tries to do by acting like a walking michael bay movie...

i think the napoleon complex is so deeply entrenched into male self esteem these days that when an emotionally stunted seventy year old stands up and acts exactly like an emotionally stunted seventy year old...they applaud it because it conforms to their fantasies associated with that complex...

Ya. A lot of your generation is afraid of strong men.
 
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And being strong men for that matter.
The feminization is complete. And Christian women are some of the worst. They tell you that they want you to lead etc and then they chop you down with their "religious" drivel. I'm not bitter...just have lots of experience in the area not only in my own life but watching many men living lives of quiet desperation with women who are in control but say they are not. Lol

I'm glad Trump offends so many people...says more about them than it does about him.... because the reality is that he is being a leader and trying to lead us out of this stupid mess that nazi women and feminized men have gotten us into.
 

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The feminization is complete. And Christian women are some of the worst. They tell you that they want you to lead etc and then they chop you down with their "religious" drivel. I'm not bitter...just have lots of experience in the area not only in my own life but watching many men living lives of quiet desperation with women who are in control but say they are not. Lol

I'm glad Trump offends so many people...says more about them than it does about him.... because the reality is that he is being a leader and trying to lead us out of this stupid mess that nazi women and feminized men have gotten us into.
Another strong argument for gun ownership is that young men who own guns are less likely to fall in to this trap. Call me crazy, but the most controlling or potentially controlling women I've ever dated were peeved that I rock at least 9 rounds wherever I go. I'm glad those relationships didn't work out. I would've been miserable (thank you, Gaston Glock).

I certainly agree that Trump's ascendancy has a lot to do with the fact that many American voters want a strong, masculine leader (not necessarily a strongman). Someone who will look Western elites, Putin, and ISIS in the eye and tell them precisely what the US will do. Domestically, they want someone who isn't cowed by campus elitists.
 
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Ya. A lot of your generation is afraid of strong men.
evidently your definition of a 'strong man' is...

...profoundly discourteous to women
...unfaithful
...habitually boastful and self congratulatory
...attention seeking
...always blaming someone else for his problems
...constantly whining about people being 'unfair' to him

your ideal of masculinity sounds almost exactly like a -toddler-...the places you will find the most grown men engaged in the type of 'masculinity' you advocate for are in gangster rap or in the taliban...

trump is not a strong -anything-...people who are actually strong don't feel the need to go around showing the world how 'strong' they are...just like smart people don't need to broadcast their IQ...
 
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evidently your definition of a 'strong man' is...

...profoundly discourteous to women
...unfaithful
...habitually boastful and self congratulatory
...attention seeking
...always blaming someone else for his problems
...constantly whining about people being 'unfair' to him

your ideal of masculinity sounds almost exactly like a -toddler-...the places you will find the most grown men engaged in the type of 'masculinity' you advocate for are in gangster rap or in the taliban...

trump is not a strong -anything-...people who are actually strong don't feel the need to go around showing the world how 'strong' they are...just like smart people don't need to broadcast their IQ...


He has offended you and you can't see that the problem isn't Trump. He offends your sensibilities and preconceived notions foisted onto you by a society of people (mostly men) that are weak. They "have an appearance of virtue" and attempt to define virtuousness as being a boob who allows him or herself to be defined by someone else...lol.....and you have bought into it with all your being. Maybe you and George Will can go start a party of your own and continue the quasi communist principles of the right who are actually left and then your and his offspring (not implying anything there...just that you might have some of your own too) can work on a potato farm and live in a wooden shack and live under the fear that what you say under your breath isn't heard by someone and you sent off to the north slope and fed to the polar bears.

You say he is discourteous to women when the people who have actually met the man say different. Might I suggest that next time you list the level of Trumps depravity you start off with something that at least has one witness to it. Lol Oh...and if you bring Rosie up...she is a poster child for what he said about her.

You can't fight a 4 alarm fire with a squirt gun. Trump is brave doing what he is doing....on the level of David brave....and Desdichado posted an article by James Dobson saying that Trump very well could be a baby Christian and has found Jesus. You should check it out. It's over on your thread. but here is the link to the article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/u...-believe-it-evangelical-leader-says.html?_r=0
 
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Newt Gingrich was on Fox this morning and made a strong case for Trump over Hillary. I'm beginning to view this situation the way I view hurricanes and their aftermath. Good principled people do not feel they can support Trump, no matter how evil Hillary is. They feel they need to sit this one out. It's sort of like those people who are told a massive and destructive hurricane is coming and they need to take action, yet they choose not to. Then, after it is over, and their is massive destruction that will take decades to repair, they stand in front of the remains of their home crying in front of news cameras, asking someone, anyone, to help them. We did help you. We told you what was coming and you ignored our warnings. Now it's too late. You and your family are in ruins. It was predictable and preventable, yet you thought you knew best. Well, good luck living in your cousins basement in North Dakota, on food stamps, while you and your husband start all over. Local believers will gladly help you out and try not to remind you that if you had taken action, rather than sit it out, you could have had a much different outcome.
 

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He has offended you and you can't see that the problem isn't Trump. He offends your sensibilities and preconceived notions foisted onto you by a society of people (mostly men) that are weak. They "have an appearance of virtue" and attempt to define virtuousness as being a boob who allows him or herself to be defined by someone else...lol.....and you have bought into it with all your being. Maybe you and George Will can go start a party of your own and continue the quasi communist principles of the right who are actually left and then your and his offspring (not implying anything there...just that you might have some of your own too) can work on a potato farm and live in a wooden shack and live under the fear that what you say under your breath isn't heard by someone and you sent off to the north slope and fed to the polar bears.

You say he is discourteous to women when the people who have actually met the man say different. Might I suggest that next time you list the level of Trumps depravity you start off with something that at least has one witness to it. Lol Oh...and if you bring Rosie up...she is a poster child for what he said about her.

You can't fight a 4 alarm fire with a squirt gun. Trump is brave doing what he is doing....on the level of David brave....and Desdichado posted an article by James Dobson saying that Trump very well could be a baby Christian and has found Jesus. You should check it out. It's over on your thread. but here is the link to the article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/u...-believe-it-evangelical-leader-says.html?_r=0
I repeat, if you can't trust Dr. Dobson about something like this, who can you trust?
 

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maybe on the lunatic websites where you get your "free thinker" knowledge from.





Hmmmm ~ I see that you projecting again.


Well, here's some good news for you:




Trump Support Collapses In New Poll

https://politicalwire.com/2016/06/26/trump-support-collapses-in-new-poll/





A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump in the presidential race by 12 points, 51% to 39%.

“Roughly two in three Americans say they think Trump is unqualified to lead the nation; are anxious about the idea of him as president; believe his comments about women, minorities and Muslims show an unfair bias; and see his attacks on a federal judge because of his Mexican American heritage as racist.”

A new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll shows Clinton leading by five points, 46% to 41%.








Here's a possible reason why:



[h=1]All H_ll Is Breaking Loose At A Neo-Nazi Rally In California[/h]


Chaos is erupting at a rally for the neo-Nazi “Traditionalist Worker’s Party,” where counter-protesters clashed with fascists in Sacramento. Five have been reportedly stabbed and ABC 10‘s Frances Wang reports that riot police were forced to intervene with batons and pepper-spray to break up the fights. No arrests have been made as of yet.
The footage is quite disturbing to behold. Tensions in the United States are clearly reaching a breaking point as the nativist racism enflamed by Donald Trump’s ethnonationalist rhetoric clashes against the supporters of the cosmopolitan pluralism that our nation was founded on. It is shocking to see our nation descend into this kind of brutish violence, instigated by people espousing the some of the most reprehensible political ideas the twisted minds of humankind have concocted ...




I did not post the url as it contains objectionable content even though the bad language was used by professing "Christians".


Google for more details.



 
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Trump Support Collapses In New Poll

https://politicalwire.com/2016/06/26/trump-support-collapses-in-new-poll/


A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump in the presidential race by 12 points, 51% to 39%.

“Roughly two in three Americans say they think Trump is unqualified to lead the nation; are anxious about the idea of him as president; believe his comments about women, minorities and Muslims show an unfair bias; and see his attacks on a federal judge because of his Mexican American heritage as racist.”

A new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll shows Clinton leading by five points, 46% to 41%.


Here's a possible reason why:


All H_ll Is Breaking Loose At A Neo-Nazi Rally In California


Chaos is erupting at a rally for the neo-Nazi “Traditionalist Worker’s Party,” where counter-protesters clashed with fascists in Sacramento. Five have been reportedly stabbed and ABC 10‘s Frances Wang reports that riot police were forced to intervene with batons and pepper-spray to break up the fights. No arrests have been made as of yet.
The footage is quite disturbing to behold. Tensions in the United States are clearly reaching a breaking point as the nativist racism enflamed by Donald Trump’s ethnonationalist rhetoric clashes against the supporters of the cosmopolitan pluralism that our nation was founded on. It is shocking to see our nation descend into this kind of brutish violence, instigated by people espousing the some of the most reprehensible political ideas the twisted minds of humankind have concocted ...



I lived in Sacramento from 1985 to 1995. I seem to recall the neo-Nazi (punks) shooting up a restaurant, also in Sacramento, because they saw some black patrons dining with whites. It happened some 20 years ago, possibly when Bill and Hillary Clinton were in the White House, so they must have had something to do with causing it, right?

Or should the mayor be to blame? Maybe the governor. Or how about this, we blame the neo-Nazi punks. They have been teaching hate their entire lives. It's unlikely they are responding to something Hillary said or something Trump said.

In regards to polls, I was closely watching the polls in 2000, as Al Gore was set to defeat George W. Bush. Gore was leading Bush in Florida by double digits just a couple weeks out from the election. Gore was still unsure he would win in Florida, so he brought in his secret weapon, Bill Clinton, to campaign for him. It was like an answer to a prayer. Gore's numbers went straight south and he lost Florida and the Presidency to George Bush. Watch to see if Bill Clinton is allowed to speak at the Democrats convention. Then watch Hillary's poll numbers. There are also rumors that Paula Jones will be releasing a book about Bill and Hillary after the convention and that she and other women he assaulted will be making the rounds on news programs. Hillary is still hoping the FBI will let her off easy and last week the State Department stated they found over 160 different secret meetings Hillary had while at the State Department with donors, that violated their rules. Among democrats, she is the most untrustworthy candidate they have ever nominated. They dislike her, a lot. Not as much as most of us here dislike her, but the majority of democrats do not trust her.
 

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I lived in Sacramento from 1985 to 1995. I seem to recall the neo-Nazi (punks) shooting up a restaurant, also in Sacramento, because they saw some black patrons dining with whites. It happened some 20 years ago, possibly when Bill and Hillary Clinton were in the White House, so they must have had something to do with causing it, right?

Or should the mayor be to blame? Maybe the governor. Or how about this, we blame the neo-Nazi punks. They have been teaching hate their entire lives. It's unlikely they are responding to something Hillary said or something Trump said.

In regards to polls, I was closely watching the polls in 2000, as Al Gore was set to defeat George W. Bush. Gore was leading Bush in Florida by double digits just a couple weeks out from the election. Gore was still unsure he would win in Florida, so he brought in his secret weapon, Bill Clinton, to campaign for him. It was like an answer to a prayer. Gore's numbers went straight south and he lost Florida and the Presidency to George Bush. Watch to see if Bill Clinton is allowed to speak at the Democrats convention. Then watch Hillary's poll numbers. There are also rumors that Paula Jones will be releasing a book about Bill and Hillary after the convention and that she and other women he assaulted will be making the rounds on news programs. Hillary is still hoping the FBI will let her off easy and last week the State Department stated they found over 160 different secret meetings Hillary had while at the State Department with donors, that violated their rules. Among democrats, she is the most untrustworthy candidate they have ever nominated. They dislike her, a lot. Not as much as most of us here dislike her, but the majority of democrats do not trust her.
I hate Illinois Nazis.
 
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