Mauna Loa erupting

[Cameron143]

When was Greenland green? Sure 359 million years ago, but that was because Greenland was in the temperate region of the Earth, that is plate tectonics, not climate change.

I'm not an old earth guy and it was named Greenland around 1000 AD so I would say it was green within at least 1000 years ago. And plate tectonics is still involved in climate change since God divided the land in Genesis 10.

 

[ZNP]

It was named Greenland to encourage people to move there just like Iceland was named Iceland to scare off people from moving there.

"Since most of Greenland is covered in ice, snow and glaciers, the Arctic nation is mostly white. So how did it get its name “Greenland” when it’s not really green? It actually got its name from Erik The Red, an Icelandic murderer who was exiled to the island. He called it “Greenland” in hopes that the name would attract settlers."

https://visitgreenland.com/articles...ually got its name,than 2.5 million years ago.

 

[Cameron143]

It was named Greenland to encourage people to move there just like Iceland was named Iceland to scare off people from moving there.

"Since most of Greenland is covered in ice, snow and glaciers, the Arctic nation is mostly white. So how did it get its name “Greenland” when it’s not really green? It actually got its name from Erik The Red, an Icelandic murderer who was exiled to the island. He called it “Greenland” in hopes that the name would attract settlers."

https://visitgreenland.com/articles/10-facts-nellie-huang/#:~:text=Greenland Really Was Green&text=It actually got its name,than 2.5 million years ago.

I'll look at the article and you are correct concerning its discovery but the sources I studied had a warmer climate at that time.

 

[Dude653]

No. My allusion to sin was about the effect it has had on the weather, not that it was a predictor of people's sinfulness.
And the reason I asked you about the ideal climate for the world is because you assume because weather patterns are changing this of necessity must be bad. Why isn't 70 degree weather in December a good thing? Who told you that this must be bad? I can think of a myriad of reasons why it is good.
So, again, for what reasons is a change in climate necessarily bad?

You got to be trolling.
We already covered this. It's not supposed to be 70° in december.
When a tornado almost wipes out an entire city, that's reason for alarm.

 

[Cameron143]

You got to be trolling.
We already covered this. It's not supposed to be 70° in december.
When a tornado almost wipes out an entire city, that's reason for alarm.

So to you every anomaly in the weather is due to climate change? Do you have other examples to point to?
I agree that any loss of life is tragic, especially if they were not saved. And I'm not trolling. Other than this one weather event, which so far you have associated with climate change but offered no proof of causality ,do you have anything other than anecdotal evidence that clearly links weather events to climate change? And what evidence do you offer to show that climate change is occurring because of the activity of man?

 

[Dude653]

Admittedly the jury is still out with climate science on exactly why we see more tornadoes when it's unseasonably warm but we didn't start seeing these December tornadoes until the past few years.
So climate change is caused it increase in droughts, famines and heat related deaths we've already been over this. A steady pattern is an anecdote. That's data
And according to you it's because of sin so I guess all those people who lost their lives and hit me Kentucky a couple years ago must have been sinning real bad huh?
I can just feel the Christian love oozing here

 

[Cameron143]

Admittedly the jury is still out with climate science on exactly why we see more tornadoes when it's unseasonably warm but we didn't start seeing these December tornadoes until the past few years.
So climate change is caused it increase in droughts, famines and heat related deaths we've already been over this. A steady pattern is an anecdote. That's data
And according to you it's because of sin so I guess all those people who lost their lives and hit me Kentucky a couple years ago must have been sinning real bad huh?
I can just feel the Christian love oozing here

I'm open to agreeing with everything you have proffered if rather than just telling me that climate change causes different conditions and you actually present evidence of causality.

 

[Dude653]

I'm open to agreeing with everything you have proffered if rather than just telling me that climate change causes different conditions and you actually present evidence of causality.

There's plenty of data that climate change causes and increase in drought and famine and heat-related deaths. But let me guess, every once lying except you

 

[Dude653]

https://www.c2es.org/content/drought-and-climate-change/

 

[Dude653]

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicat...pproaches estimate that,set shown in Figure 1.

 

[Cameron143]

There's plenty of data that climate change causes and increase in drought and famine and heat-related deaths. But let me guess, every once lying except you

To this point our discourse has been civil. And I appreciate that. But if you are going to assign to me motives that aren't true and imply thoughts to me that I don't think, we may have reached a place in the discussion to at least pause.
People often accuse others of not following the science. I'm asking for the science for the claims you have made. If there is such an abundance, I don't understand your hesitancy.

 

[Cameron143]

https://www.c2es.org/content/drought-and-climate-change/

Thanks

 

[Cameron143]

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-heat-related-deaths#:~:text=Some statistical approaches estimate that,set shown in Figure 1.

Thanks.

 

[ZNP]

There's plenty of data that climate change causes and increase in drought and famine and heat-related deaths. But let me guess, every once lying except you

You have not figured out what is going on in Science until you can accurately predict what will happen.

 

[persistent]

How significant are Mauna Loa’s greenhouse gas emissions?

Mauna Loa released about 15,000 tons of carbon dioxide per day during its 1984 eruption, according to USGS data.

That’s equivalent to the annual emissions from 2,400 sport utility vehicles.

 

[Lanolin]

Your replies miss the point on a number of levels.
I appreciate the time you have taken to respond but the differences we have in world view and perspective are a bridge to far in my opinion to provide enough common ground for a fruitful discussion on this topic.

thats the point of having a forum
you have your opinion, I can air mine and so can magenta...doest mean we all have to agree with each other.

Your replies miss the point too. Because you cant even see the point.

we live on the pacific rim of fire and there are always active volcanoes

 

[Lanolin]

Antarctica has volcanoes and no trees.

 

[Lanolin]

Mt Erebus may erupt one day its just waiting for the right time.
Mt Sinai was a volcano btw

Mauna Loa is the highest volcano in the world, taller than mt Everest in size and mass when measured below sea level. The Hawaains are no stranger to its volcanic activity and respect it.

 

[Cameron143]

thats the point of having a forum
you have your opinion, I can air mine and so can magenta...doest mean we all have to agree with each other.

Your replies miss the point too. Because you cant even see the point.

we live on the pacific rim of fire and there are always active volcanoes

I'm all for the free and unhindered expression of opinions. And you are correct, we are all entitled to our own opinions. But we are not entitled to our own truths. Different experiences and circumstances can lead to different perspectives but not different facts.
I do think we should try harder to understand another's perspectives though and I am no doubt deficient in having done so with you. My apologies.

 

[Dude653]

I'm all for the free and unhindered expression of opinions. And you are correct, we are all entitled to our own opinions. But we are not entitled to our own truths. Different experiences and circumstances can lead to different perspectives but not different facts.
I do think we should try harder to understand another's perspectives though and I am no doubt deficient in having done so with you. My apologies.

There's no such thing as your own truth. Something is either objectively true or it's not