Elizabeth, Islam is a religion, it is not a Christian religion. The same is true for Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, and hundreds of other religions. When we let these religions define themselves as non religious groups, we give them an open door to pervert Christianity and take over the public forum and remove all Christian voice from it while they spread their message to the world. Think about it.
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J
Excuse me... but you have a lot to learn. Are you a Christian ? I see your
intellectual writings that so far has not shown me you have a love for Jesus.
It might be wise to get to know the Word and get to know how Jesus would
have everyone understand Him....and not how intelligent you are. This
is a big world... you have a long way to go... unless the Lord decides to return.
intellectual writings that so far has not shown me you have a love for Jesus.
It might be wise to get to know the Word and get to know how Jesus would
have everyone understand Him....and not how intelligent you are. This
is a big world... you have a long way to go... unless the Lord decides to return.
Tolerance and acceptance of individuals irrespective of personal perspectives is the basis of a peaceful, pluralistic, and ultimately free civilization. You aren't required to "accept" Islam as a religion simply by allowing adherents of Islam to share your society. By extension, should Muslims that already exist in the United States suffer deportations simply because of what they choose to believe in? Do you have any conception as to the utterly vast ramifications this would have as far as a religious preference's influence on public policy in general?
Beyond the fact that immigration restrictions on the basis of a religious preference blatantly defy the First Amendment, it's utterly impossible to consistently argue any sort of coherent policy concerning a religious preference's contingent influence on what constitutes acceptable immigration. It's arbitrary, unconstitutional, and simply immoral.
Beyond the fact that immigration restrictions on the basis of a religious preference blatantly defy the First Amendment, it's utterly impossible to consistently argue any sort of coherent policy concerning a religious preference's contingent influence on what constitutes acceptable immigration. It's arbitrary, unconstitutional, and simply immoral.
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Christians pervert Christianity, no other religion can change another religion without the permission. We as people pervert the message of Christ by not paying attention to what the bible says as opposed to what we think or feel is right. We are the ones who have messed things up. Islam, Buddhism, Atheism, etc haven't done anything to remove the Christian voice. Christians over the centuries have turned their ear to the easier things, to the easier way of life. And yes, we as citizens of America are allowed to worship in any way we choose. That's what this country was founded on. It wasn't founded on Christian principles! This country may have been Christian dominated at one time, but it wasn't founded to be a Christian country. If you disagree with me, do a bit of research. The old stories of how America was/is a great Christian nation is propaganda.
If you were operating the world, and it was only by your logic, it would all be chaos. The fact is that the world was created by God, not by you, and it is run by how God created it. It is what works. God's logic works, yours doesn't.
If you will study the history of the world, country by country, you would be able to see this. Some countries do pretty well for a time by following the same laws God gives for our living after we are saved, but without a true God there is trouble. China is an example.
There is a short history that shows this in just a few years, the history of the settlements of Plymouth and Jamestown.
You do a fine, secular job of learning and reasoning. Without learning or believing anything of the one who created it or the way He created it to be, your learning has too many holes in it to be worthwhile. History proves it.
If you will study the history of the world, country by country, you would be able to see this. Some countries do pretty well for a time by following the same laws God gives for our living after we are saved, but without a true God there is trouble. China is an example.
There is a short history that shows this in just a few years, the history of the settlements of Plymouth and Jamestown.
You do a fine, secular job of learning and reasoning. Without learning or believing anything of the one who created it or the way He created it to be, your learning has too many holes in it to be worthwhile. History proves it.
J
Nehemiah 4
Verses 7-15 The hindering good work is what bad men aim at, and promise themselves success in; but good work is God's work, and it shall prosper. God has many ways of bringing to light, and so of bringing to nought, the devices and designs of his church's enemies. If our enemies cannot frighten us from duty, or deceive us into sin, they cannot hurt us. Nehemiah put himself and his cause under the Divine protection. It was the way of this good man, and should be our way. All his cares, all his griefs, all his fears, he spread before God. Before he used any means, he made his prayer to God. Having prayed, he set a watch against the enemy. If we think to secure ourselves by prayer, without watchfulness, we are slothful, and tempt God; if by watchfulness, without prayer, we are proud, and slight God: either way, we forfeit his protection. God's care of our safety, should engage and encourage us to go on with vigour in our duty. As soon as a danger is over, let us return to our work, and trust God another time. Verses 16-23 We must watch always against spiritual enemies, and not expect that our warfare will be over till our work is ended. The word of God is the sword of the Spirit, which we ought to have always at hand, and never to have to seek for it, either in our labours, or in our conflicts, as Christians. Every true Christian is both a labourer and a soldier, working with one hand, and fighting with the other. Good work is likely to go on with success, when those who labour in it, make a business of it. And Satan fears to assault the watchful Christian; or, if attacked, the Lord fights for him. Thus must we wait to the close of life, never putting off our armour till our work and warfare are ended; then we shall be welcomed to the rest and joy of our Lord.
Verses 7-15 The hindering good work is what bad men aim at, and promise themselves success in; but good work is God's work, and it shall prosper. God has many ways of bringing to light, and so of bringing to nought, the devices and designs of his church's enemies. If our enemies cannot frighten us from duty, or deceive us into sin, they cannot hurt us. Nehemiah put himself and his cause under the Divine protection. It was the way of this good man, and should be our way. All his cares, all his griefs, all his fears, he spread before God. Before he used any means, he made his prayer to God. Having prayed, he set a watch against the enemy. If we think to secure ourselves by prayer, without watchfulness, we are slothful, and tempt God; if by watchfulness, without prayer, we are proud, and slight God: either way, we forfeit his protection. God's care of our safety, should engage and encourage us to go on with vigour in our duty. As soon as a danger is over, let us return to our work, and trust God another time. Verses 16-23 We must watch always against spiritual enemies, and not expect that our warfare will be over till our work is ended. The word of God is the sword of the Spirit, which we ought to have always at hand, and never to have to seek for it, either in our labours, or in our conflicts, as Christians. Every true Christian is both a labourer and a soldier, working with one hand, and fighting with the other. Good work is likely to go on with success, when those who labour in it, make a business of it. And Satan fears to assault the watchful Christian; or, if attacked, the Lord fights for him. Thus must we wait to the close of life, never putting off our armour till our work and warfare are ended; then we shall be welcomed to the rest and joy of our Lord.
I think Liza has some fair points here that should be observed. For instance as Liza pointed out the United States of America may not restrict a potential immigrant due to religion. That's just the law.
However, as many have pointed out, Islam is not a force to take lightly and is not something we should turn a blind eye to. It is a cancer upon every land it takes over and is evil to even the very people that adhere to it. That is just a historical fact.
A little simple manuevering I think could solve this complex problem. For instance instead of barring islam or immigrants that are muslim, the USA could bar immigration from certain countries where there is open civil wars, islamic persecution of Christians, and we can crackdown on the Sharia Law system as it is contrary to the US Constitution.
As far as muslims in America go, its really only the 1st Generation immigrants that pose any real danger. Typically by the 2nd or 3rd generation the children are so Americanized they are essential muslims-in-name-only. And many of them will convert to Christianity once exposed. So in an ironic sort of way it is actually in our interest to allow good muslim folk the chance to live in a Christian nation, we merely have to find out a way to stop Sharia Law and the islamic obligation of Jihad.
However, as many have pointed out, Islam is not a force to take lightly and is not something we should turn a blind eye to. It is a cancer upon every land it takes over and is evil to even the very people that adhere to it. That is just a historical fact.
A little simple manuevering I think could solve this complex problem. For instance instead of barring islam or immigrants that are muslim, the USA could bar immigration from certain countries where there is open civil wars, islamic persecution of Christians, and we can crackdown on the Sharia Law system as it is contrary to the US Constitution.
As far as muslims in America go, its really only the 1st Generation immigrants that pose any real danger. Typically by the 2nd or 3rd generation the children are so Americanized they are essential muslims-in-name-only. And many of them will convert to Christianity once exposed. So in an ironic sort of way it is actually in our interest to allow good muslim folk the chance to live in a Christian nation, we merely have to find out a way to stop Sharia Law and the islamic obligation of Jihad.
J
[h=3]Exodus 20:3-5[/h]
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[KJV]
Hi J Kay
Actually Musilms believe God is a jealous God and are very strict when it comes to praying to only one God. Muslims also are not to create any statues or images. We disagree that I pray to the right God. I am happy for judgement day to decide on that.
Oh yeah before some bright spark jumps in, please no more rubbish about moon Gods or whatever. The crescent above the mosques was introduced by the Ottomans I heard it all before.
Actually Musilms believe God is a jealous God and are very strict when it comes to praying to only one God. Muslims also are not to create any statues or images. We disagree that I pray to the right God. I am happy for judgement day to decide on that.
Oh yeah before some bright spark jumps in, please no more rubbish about moon Gods or whatever. The crescent above the mosques was introduced by the Ottomans I heard it all before.
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Hi J Kay
Actually Musilms believe God is a jealous God and are very strict when it comes to praying to only one God. Muslims also are not to create any statues or images. We disagree that I pray to the right God. I am happy for judgement day to decide on that.
Oh yeah before some bright spark jumps in, please no more rubbish about moon Gods or whatever. The crescent above the mosques was introduced by the Ottomans I heard it all before.
Actually Musilms believe God is a jealous God and are very strict when it comes to praying to only one God. Muslims also are not to create any statues or images. We disagree that I pray to the right God. I am happy for judgement day to decide on that.
Oh yeah before some bright spark jumps in, please no more rubbish about moon Gods or whatever. The crescent above the mosques was introduced by the Ottomans I heard it all before.
--Oswald Chambers, in The Moral Foundations of Life from the Quotable Oswald Chambers.
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Only Jesus Christ, the ONE and only who gave His Blood at Calvary for the remission of my sins,
I will be true to. I will not change my convictions for man. I give myself over to Christ Jesus
and I will proclaim Him as the Lord of all. No man has done what Christ our Lord God Almighty
has done or ever will do. God is giving all sinners a last chance. Even those who have other
gods. Until Jesus Christ comes back for the Church... God will keep calling... sinner come ...I
gave my life for you. There is no love like the Love of God Almighty, Creator of the Universe. Amen
J~K~2
Tunnel vision ...
You should look to see how many more genocides were committed by professing christians, and just how many Muslims, like those currently in Iraq, have called the extremists fakers. Just the other day I watched a video of a woman in a packed Iraqi mosque, who pleaded 'how can they be muslims? How can a muslim take another person's life?'
The shot switched to a grown man weeping for the child he just lost.
IT seems to me the vast majority of muslims have no interest in war or objective Jihad. The Jihad is supposed to be about a struggle with oneself, not others.
You should look to see how many more genocides were committed by professing christians, and just how many Muslims, like those currently in Iraq, have called the extremists fakers. Just the other day I watched a video of a woman in a packed Iraqi mosque, who pleaded 'how can they be muslims? How can a muslim take another person's life?'
The shot switched to a grown man weeping for the child he just lost.
IT seems to me the vast majority of muslims have no interest in war or objective Jihad. The Jihad is supposed to be about a struggle with oneself, not others.
Guess again. The jihadist groups are merely following the rules of Islam. Why do you think the muslim people in the Middle East put up with them? They have to because the jihadists are following the precepts of Islam to the fullest. Why do they put up with the Islamic Kings whom have a track record of grievious human rights abuses to their own people? Simple, because those Islamic Kings are simply following the guidelines of Islam and Sharia Law.
Just because someone professes to be a Christian or muslim does not make them such. Only by fulfilling the concepts of those religions is one such. Therefore the vast majority of those called muslim or Christian are not. Sorry, but that's the inconvenient truth.
Islam is probably the biggest social disease of our time, it must be defeated. Can thou not see that it is our muslim brothers themselves that are the most oppressed by the idolatry of Islam? The dark tide of Islam is only growing, not shrinking. We have to stop making excuses for this system and make a stand against it.
Just because someone professes to be a Christian or muslim does not make them such. Only by fulfilling the concepts of those religions is one such. Therefore the vast majority of those called muslim or Christian are not. Sorry, but that's the inconvenient truth.
Islam is probably the biggest social disease of our time, it must be defeated. Can thou not see that it is our muslim brothers themselves that are the most oppressed by the idolatry of Islam? The dark tide of Islam is only growing, not shrinking. We have to stop making excuses for this system and make a stand against it.
No, 'I canst not see what thou confess', I live in 2014, not the middle ages.
There are nearly 2 billion muslims in the world and a total of about 4,000 direct members of al qaeda and other islamic terrorist cells, with around 8,000 indirect members or helpers, and a few hundred thousand oppressed citizens.
By my count, that makes roughly 0.007 % of Muslims 'Jihadists', and even that's a generous estimate.
Here's a real question about social disease. If so few are terrorists, why have NATO killed over a million of the civilians?
How many deaths are the extremists responsible for? I'll give you a hint. It's about a 2:100 ratio, the 100 being how many civilians NATO have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It seems to me that the west is more a disease, if a disease is something that kills and destroys, of course.
There are nearly 2 billion muslims in the world and a total of about 4,000 direct members of al qaeda and other islamic terrorist cells, with around 8,000 indirect members or helpers, and a few hundred thousand oppressed citizens.
By my count, that makes roughly 0.007 % of Muslims 'Jihadists', and even that's a generous estimate.
Here's a real question about social disease. If so few are terrorists, why have NATO killed over a million of the civilians?
How many deaths are the extremists responsible for? I'll give you a hint. It's about a 2:100 ratio, the 100 being how many civilians NATO have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It seems to me that the west is more a disease, if a disease is something that kills and destroys, of course.
1. Al-Qaeda is not the only jihadist group. Also keep in mind the Islamic Kings and rulers of Islamic states as well.
2. Al-Qaeda and the other jihadist groups, for instance ISIS, are actually fulfilling the commands of Islam. If you cannot understand this then you cannot understand why they fight and why they are successful in deceiving the West.
3. Again just because someone calls themselves a "muslim" does not make them a muslim if they do not follow the commands of Islam anymore than a person calling themself a "Christian" that does not follow the commands of Christ.
4. Firstly on NATO, you attribute all civillian deaths to NATO, but this is not the case at all. This is a brutal war and both sides kill civillians. One must also ask just who is a civillian. Many so-called "civillians" work hand in hand with the jihadist factions as well as work with NATO and are thus killed in reprisals or collateral damages.
5. Yes, NATO and the West has turned very ungodly and because NATO refused to destroy the mosques and the korans thus NATO loses the war. Because the West has shunned God and becoming increasingly wicked thus is why the West cannot understand religion or religious war, their own ignorance cuts them to pieces. Aye indeed, the West is becoming increasingly wicked and deserves to be scattered and destroyed, and it shall be.
2. Al-Qaeda and the other jihadist groups, for instance ISIS, are actually fulfilling the commands of Islam. If you cannot understand this then you cannot understand why they fight and why they are successful in deceiving the West.
3. Again just because someone calls themselves a "muslim" does not make them a muslim if they do not follow the commands of Islam anymore than a person calling themself a "Christian" that does not follow the commands of Christ.
4. Firstly on NATO, you attribute all civillian deaths to NATO, but this is not the case at all. This is a brutal war and both sides kill civillians. One must also ask just who is a civillian. Many so-called "civillians" work hand in hand with the jihadist factions as well as work with NATO and are thus killed in reprisals or collateral damages.
5. Yes, NATO and the West has turned very ungodly and because NATO refused to destroy the mosques and the korans thus NATO loses the war. Because the West has shunned God and becoming increasingly wicked thus is why the West cannot understand religion or religious war, their own ignorance cuts them to pieces. Aye indeed, the West is becoming increasingly wicked and deserves to be scattered and destroyed, and it shall be.
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What is the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist ? Just their religion. A marine that goes mental and shoots up civilians in Afghanistan has mental problems. A Muslim who does the same is a terrorist.
Understand if you wish, Iraq was invaded by cruel foreign force and a puppet government was put in. Syria is suffering under a cruel ruler. These people are fighting for their freedom.
Understand if you wish, Iraq was invaded by cruel foreign force and a puppet government was put in. Syria is suffering under a cruel ruler. These people are fighting for their freedom.
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The simple fact of the matter is this: If I were a young boy and my farming village was destroyed by a drone that I can neither see, hear nor fight against, I would most likely be killing American soldiers right now. This is the nature of birthplace and war. If my father was American and had been killed, I may well be fighting muslims. This is the nature of birthplace and war.
The second fact is this, the West has gone into two countries to fight terrorists, not rulers, nor principalities, but borderless citizens. This is like England invading the whole island of Ireland, killing massive numbers of civilians in order to find a few IRA members, or like the US creating a military state in Texas to get the KKK, or like the Spanish starting a civil war to find PETA members.
Ludicrous.
The third fact is this, a very small number of Muslims believe that the Jihad is outer war, and the vast majority believe in the compassionate road. Their most revered moral example is Issa, or Jesus, as a man who forgives rather than fight with fists. In the UK, there is currently a very large muslim population, most of whom disagree with extremism, but it is the few extremists who keep making the news. This is the same everywhere.
Rarely is the footage shown of the crushed buildings, ruined farm communities, weeping fathers, children's limbs or dead pregnant women. But this is the reality of the war; those who suffer most are the civilians who want no more war, fighting and death.
The casualty numbers, whoever is responsible, speak for themselves. One million civilians. One million men, women and children, against barely 20,000 westerners. One million.
The most sad irony is that so many of those who were families of the victims of the trade center attacks want no more violence, no retribution and do not want innocent mothers and fathers worlds away to suffer the same pain they suffer day in day out.
It is appaling. Some of the kindest, most loving individuals I have ever had the pleasure to know are muslims. Any devout muslim I know is a good person, not a violent warmonger. Extremists are the minority.
The second fact is this, the West has gone into two countries to fight terrorists, not rulers, nor principalities, but borderless citizens. This is like England invading the whole island of Ireland, killing massive numbers of civilians in order to find a few IRA members, or like the US creating a military state in Texas to get the KKK, or like the Spanish starting a civil war to find PETA members.
Ludicrous.
The third fact is this, a very small number of Muslims believe that the Jihad is outer war, and the vast majority believe in the compassionate road. Their most revered moral example is Issa, or Jesus, as a man who forgives rather than fight with fists. In the UK, there is currently a very large muslim population, most of whom disagree with extremism, but it is the few extremists who keep making the news. This is the same everywhere.
Rarely is the footage shown of the crushed buildings, ruined farm communities, weeping fathers, children's limbs or dead pregnant women. But this is the reality of the war; those who suffer most are the civilians who want no more war, fighting and death.
The casualty numbers, whoever is responsible, speak for themselves. One million civilians. One million men, women and children, against barely 20,000 westerners. One million.
The most sad irony is that so many of those who were families of the victims of the trade center attacks want no more violence, no retribution and do not want innocent mothers and fathers worlds away to suffer the same pain they suffer day in day out.
It is appaling. Some of the kindest, most loving individuals I have ever had the pleasure to know are muslims. Any devout muslim I know is a good person, not a violent warmonger. Extremists are the minority.