MISSISSIPPI and the Confederate Flag

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p_rehbein

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tanakh said:
I am not sure what you mean. The war of independence against Britain involved a group of colonies not 50 states. Also we were the first European Country to abolish slavery and it took place decades before the American Civil War.
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Hmm, well, I guess it depends on ones perspective eh?

The 13 Colonies who rebelled against King George were ALL THERE WAS of the US at that time, and THEY were part of Great Britain legally. Their rebellion was just that a "rebellion." It was illegal.......no matter the moral right to do so, the legal right was not there. So, when Great Britain saw the Stars and Bars flying high, I'm sure they had pretty much the same feeling as when those sorry Yankees did at seeing the Confederate Colors flying proudly over the Capitol in Mobile.

As well, there were not 50 STATES during the Civil War........As for abolishing slavery decades before the Civil War, you better check your Historical facts. Only PARTS of the Slave Trade was abolished.......then again, IF YOU ARE CORRECT, than all those SORRY YANKEES who hate us Sutherners were WRONG. The Civil War WAS NOT fought to abolish slavery/free the slaves!
 
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jennymae said:
Well, I for sure don't believe that the "Stars and Bars" is symbolizing slavery. It is, to me, a symbol of heritage...and yes, I do own such a flag myself. I can understand that some people will disagree, but I can't deny my heritage because of PC.
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I agree, and served under the Stars and Stripes proudly for years.......however, when folks use a "standard of judgement" ton condemn ONE Flag, then that "standard of judgement" must also be used with regards to EVERY FLAG.

(just saying)

People who say that the Confederate Flag is responsible for "all the evils of slavery" are simply ignorant and bigots as well. The Confederate Flag is no more responsible for the evils of slavery in America than the Stars and Stripes are responsible for the evil acts our Government committed numerous times.

How do you suppose Native Americans feel when they see the Stars and Stripes? How about Japanese Americans? And on, and on, and on.........
 
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p_rehbein said:
Hmm, well, I guess it depends on ones perspective eh?

The 13 Colonies who rebelled against King George were ALL THERE WAS of the US at that time, and THEY were part of Great Britain legally. Their rebellion was just that a "rebellion." It was illegal.......no matter the moral right to do so, the legal right was not there. So, when Great Britain saw the Stars and Bars flying high, I'm sure they had pretty much the same feeling as when those sorry Yankees did at seeing the Confederate Colors flying proudly over the Capitol in Mobile.

As well, there were not 50 STATES during the Civil War........As for abolishing slavery decades before the Civil War, you better check your Historical facts. Only PARTS of the Slave Trade was abolished.......then again, IF YOU ARE CORRECT, than all those SORRY YANKEES who hate us Sutherners were WRONG. The Civil War WAS NOT fought to abolish slavery/free the slaves!
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The Slavery Abolition Act was passed by Parliament in 1833. It included all Empire Territories except those held by the East India Company, Ceylon (Sri Lanka), and St Helena. These exceptions were abolished in 1843.
 
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To me: I view the cross as a torture device.
To others: They view the cross as a symbol and remembrance of the ultimate sacrifice Christ made on our behalf.

I'm not offended by the cross aka torture device. I just simply understand not everyone sees it the same way I do. It's no different than the Confederate flag. I think it has some pretty ugly attachments to it... maybe that's unfair and unjust... but I know people don't see it that way. I know it represents something entirely different to them.

Heck, even if it did recognize slavery I see no reason why the government should ban/outlaw it. People expect too much from the government. :(
 
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Only the Civil War actually was about slavery. Everyone said it was about preserving the Union but the number one reason why the South wanted to secede was slavery
 
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Dude653 said:
Only the Civil War actually was about slavery. Everyone said it was about preserving the Union but the number one reason why the South wanted to secede was slavery
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Although slavery was a big issue at the time, it was about states rights. The South believed that states should have power over themselves with limited federal power, and were afraid of a more centralized government.

I mean, look at the nation at the time. Each state had its own way of making rail roads, that when a train went from one state to the next, they had to actually stop the train and adjust it to fit on the rails of the state next to them. The states could make their own choices of whether or not theyd send soliders of their state to fight for a cause. They had more power over themselves than they do now, and thats what they were fighting for. It wasnt merely "we want slaves!".
 
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the confederate flag has to remain legal...

otherwise we won't be able to find any to burn...
 
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tanakh said:
The Slavery Abolition Act was passed by Parliament in 1833. It included all Empire Territories except those held by the East India Company, Ceylon (Sri Lanka), and St Helena. These exceptions were abolished in 1843.
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This Act abolished the Slave Trade. Where in the reading of this Act do you find that the United States signed a Treaty agreeing to the Act? The United Kingdom abolishing slave trade (capturing/buying/selling of slaves) does not mean the United States (the 13 Colonies) were subject to this Act.

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The Supreme Court heard a number of cases involving slavery in the late 1840s and 1850s. With one minor exception, slaveowners won every one of these cases and the Court overwhelmingly supported the power of Congress to assist them in recovering fugitive slaves. In Jones v. Van Zandt, a unanimous Court held that northerners could be held liable for the fugitive slaves they aided even if they did not have any notice that the person they helped was a fugitive. In this case, Van Zandt, an Ohio farmer, had given a ride to a group of slaves walking along a road in outside of Cincinnati. He was subsequently sued by the owner, Jones, for the cost of recovering them and the value of one who was never recovered. Van Zandt argued there was a presumption of freedom for everyone in Ohio and thus he could not know that the people he gave the ride to were fugitive slaves. The Court rejected this argument, essentially applying the law of the South-that all blacks were presumptively slaves-to the free states. The opinion was written by Justice Levi Woodbury of New Hampshire, and even the antislavery John McLean of Ohio accepted the result.

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The Supreme Court and Slavery in the 1850s
 
Dude653

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the flag was never outlawed soooooo...
 
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