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no, i think i understood what you meant...maybe not though
could we go to scripture and say that this is what the renewed mind is actually a result of; doing; will do ?
does this match what you meant?
Romans 12
1I appeal to you therefore, brothers,a by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Ephesians 4
17Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. 18They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. 19They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. 20But that is not the way you learned Christ!— 21assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22to put off your old self,e which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, 23and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
so, it says not all men's minds are being renewed.
only those who are in Christ, new creatures.
only those in Christ have a new self - would you agree with this?
i suppose that was what i was asking to begin with - about the universal salvation of all men.
kind of....do you believe all men are being renewed - in this life or will be in another time and place....a purgatory or hades or some place where they are purified?
because i don't see that in scripture.
where is it?
scripture says it is The Gospel which is the power unto salvation to all who believe.
not how 'good' people are.
doesn't it?
right...but this is referring only to those who have been born from above.
those who were called, heard, believed and obeyed this:
Acts 2
38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
so i just really wondered if the above applies to anyone (receiving the Spirit) who is not called, hears, believes and obeys.
i don't see any universal salvation for all mankind in scripture.
maybe i'm missing it.
yup. thanks again to you as well
also - are you familiar with Dallas Willard at all?
could we go to scripture and say that this is what the renewed mind is actually a result of; doing; will do ?
does this match what you meant?
Romans 12
1I appeal to you therefore, brothers,a by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Ephesians 4
17Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. 18They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. 19They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. 20But that is not the way you learned Christ!— 21assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22to put off your old self,e which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, 23and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
so, it says not all men's minds are being renewed.
only those who are in Christ, new creatures.
only those in Christ have a new self - would you agree with this?
i suppose that was what i was asking to begin with - about the universal salvation of all men.
kind of....do you believe all men are being renewed - in this life or will be in another time and place....a purgatory or hades or some place where they are purified?
because i don't see that in scripture.
where is it?
scripture says it is The Gospel which is the power unto salvation to all who believe.
not how 'good' people are.
doesn't it?
right...but this is referring only to those who have been born from above.
those who were called, heard, believed and obeyed this:
Acts 2
38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
so i just really wondered if the above applies to anyone (receiving the Spirit) who is not called, hears, believes and obeys.
i don't see any universal salvation for all mankind in scripture.
maybe i'm missing it.
yup. thanks again to you as well
also - are you familiar with Dallas Willard at all?
See it's the terms to. Baptism literally means willful submergence.
'The spirit of your minds' - Your perspective, how you 'motivate' what you do.
But that is not the way you learned Christ!— 21assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22to put off your old self,
And again 'assuming you have heard of him' meaning that people who haven't heard of him, don't have the same ability to 'renew their minds' and 'put off the old of them'.
Yet again, acts 2
Πέτρος δὲ πρὸς αὐτοὺς· μετανοήσατε καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος. ὑμῖν γὰρ ἐστιν ἡ ἐπαγγελία καὶ τοῖς τέκνοις ὑμῶν καὶ πᾶσιν τοῖς εἰς μακράν, ὅσους ἂν προσκαλέσηται κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν.
Basic translation;
Change your mind and submit yourselves, every one of you, into the character of Jesus Christ, for the sending away of (removal of obligation/submission to, or letting go of, or release of) your sins. And you will get/obtain the gift (a gift is free) of the Spirit of Holiness. To you indeed, is the promise, and to the children of you, and to all those at a distance, as many as anyhow might call God the master of us all.
Basically, for me it means;
change your mindset and submit yourselves, everyone, into becoming like Jesus Christ's character was. Because when you do, you can let go of your sinfulness, and instead obtain the free gift of right-thinking in line with God's will. This is a promise for you, and for your children, and for everyone, for as many as will call God to themselves as their master.
repent and be baptized - literally means submerge, go 'under', undergo a change (of heart, of mind).
If we take this in context of gehinnom, and what paul says about living as though we are 'buried with christ', it means assuming to myself that I am already 'alive as immortal', and so I should act accordingly as I would on that day; without sin.
To take on the perspective that I am already granted life forever. So what point does sin carry if it's going to be removed from me anyway?
Remember that nobody with sin can stand before God, so we all become immortal and 'change in the blink of an eye', and 'he who dies is freed from the condition of sin'.
Getting the spirit of God, for me, is very much 'being inspired' (from 'spirit') into changing your mindset, or 'renewing your mind'.
In summation; not everyone, who doesn't know HOW, can change thier mindset to become as much as possible, as the character of Christ.
and not everyone who cries 'lord' will inherit part of the kingdom of heaven.
But the sinful state of man, is abolished at his death. We're 'freed from human nature' at death.
Again, I don't know particularly about the afterlife, all I know is that it's God's own will that everyone comes to the truth.
and not everyone who cries 'lord' will inherit part of the kingdom of heaven.
But the sinful state of man, is abolished at his death. We're 'freed from human nature' at death.
Again, I don't know particularly about the afterlife, all I know is that it's God's own will that everyone comes to the truth.
anyway...this is what i was referring to.
anyone who wants to know more can do the research.
this is why i do not take part in the big scare-thing.....most of it is fabricated.
and MUSLIMS DID NOT DO 9-11.
Israel and the Neocons did it.
Reactions to the September 11 attacks
Annette Krüger Spitta of the ARD's (German public broadcasting) TV magazine Panorama states that footage not aired shows that the street surrounding the celebration in Jerusalem is quiet. Furthermore, she states that a man in a white T-shirt incited the children and gathered people together for the shot. The Panorama report, dated September 20, 2001, quotes Communications Professor Martin Löffelholz explaining that in the images one sees jubilant Palestinian children and several adults but there is no indication that their pleasure is related to the attack. The woman seen cheering (Nawal Abdel Fatah) stated afterwards that she was offered cake if she celebrated on camera, and was frightened when she saw the pictures on television afterward.[30]
Reactions to the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - click
im 53 years old.
i watched it as it happened.
i knew then it was FAKE...all staged.
i made my living doing that very thing.
making things look like what they are not.
staging things.
tricking people through media.
some of you here were babies when it happened and you only know what the media has told you.
it is understandable, to some degree that ppl will believe what the media says.
but sooner or later we have to face reality.
i think anyone would want to...really.
i do not understand why they wouldnt want to.
if i were an arab, and i was being blamed for what israel and american neocons did, i would not be happy either.
anyone who wants to know more can do the research.
this is why i do not take part in the big scare-thing.....most of it is fabricated.
and MUSLIMS DID NOT DO 9-11.
Israel and the Neocons did it.
Reactions to the September 11 attacks
Annette Krüger Spitta of the ARD's (German public broadcasting) TV magazine Panorama states that footage not aired shows that the street surrounding the celebration in Jerusalem is quiet. Furthermore, she states that a man in a white T-shirt incited the children and gathered people together for the shot. The Panorama report, dated September 20, 2001, quotes Communications Professor Martin Löffelholz explaining that in the images one sees jubilant Palestinian children and several adults but there is no indication that their pleasure is related to the attack. The woman seen cheering (Nawal Abdel Fatah) stated afterwards that she was offered cake if she celebrated on camera, and was frightened when she saw the pictures on television afterward.[30]
Reactions to the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - click
im 53 years old.
i watched it as it happened.
i knew then it was FAKE...all staged.
i made my living doing that very thing.
making things look like what they are not.
staging things.
tricking people through media.
some of you here were babies when it happened and you only know what the media has told you.
it is understandable, to some degree that ppl will believe what the media says.
but sooner or later we have to face reality.
i think anyone would want to...really.
i do not understand why they wouldnt want to.
if i were an arab, and i was being blamed for what israel and american neocons did, i would not be happy either.
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Inquisition kills thousands.
Israel side by side with 'christian' nation bombing hundreds of innocent civilians in Palestine.
Christian nation stealing oil from half the world.
Socialist freedom forced into monetary instability by Christian nations.
Christian extermination camps in WW2.
rwanda massacres.
Aphaka and aesculap executions.
Hypatia of Alexandria torn apart by shards of glass.
Catholic Prostestant wars.
the Northern Ireland troublesm both catholics and protestants killed for their religion.
Ku Klux Klan.
Tripura NLF in India.
Anders Breivik, the 'christian'.
Hutaree group, michigan.
.........
Christianity is no better.
Israel side by side with 'christian' nation bombing hundreds of innocent civilians in Palestine.
Christian nation stealing oil from half the world.
Socialist freedom forced into monetary instability by Christian nations.
Christian extermination camps in WW2.
rwanda massacres.
Aphaka and aesculap executions.
Hypatia of Alexandria torn apart by shards of glass.
Catholic Prostestant wars.
the Northern Ireland troublesm both catholics and protestants killed for their religion.
Ku Klux Klan.
Tripura NLF in India.
Anders Breivik, the 'christian'.
Hutaree group, michigan.
.........
Christianity is no better.
J
Catholic.
The US is not a christian country.
Show me a christian country.
socialism isn't freedom.
Where? Who?
I don't recall religion being a major cause.
I don't know of any executions, but I do know some pagan temples were destroyed. What's wrong with that.
Looks like you have one.
Catholic Prostestant wars.
Yep. Two.
Not Christian.
Primarily Nationalist political movement.
"I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person as that would be a lie. I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment," he wrote in a section of the manifesto.
"Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength," he wrote."
http://www.ibtimes.com/anders-breiv...nplayed-religion-secular-influence-key-817273
Most of them are heretics, but I don't recall any violent acts. Got info?
Christianity is better, Christians aren't. My Criticism isn't individuals, but Islam as a religion is wicked and seeks to conquer and destroy Christians.
The US is not a christian country.
Show me a christian country.
socialism isn't freedom.
Where? Who?
I don't recall religion being a major cause.
I don't know of any executions, but I do know some pagan temples were destroyed. What's wrong with that.
Looks like you have one.
Catholic Prostestant wars.
Yep. Two.
Not Christian.
Primarily Nationalist political movement.
"I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person as that would be a lie. I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment," he wrote in a section of the manifesto.
"Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength," he wrote."
http://www.ibtimes.com/anders-breiv...nplayed-religion-secular-influence-key-817273
Most of them are heretics, but I don't recall any violent acts. Got info?
Christianity is better, Christians aren't. My Criticism isn't individuals, but Islam as a religion is wicked and seeks to conquer and destroy Christians.
You're blind.
I've lived in Northern Ireland for 23 years mate, many more than two lol.
Christianity and Islam both have a plethora of killings.
What, so they were catholics?
Sure, catholics were here before protestants mate. And protestants still kill. I'm neither.
Did the 'stone them to death' verses get cut out for the Protestant bible?
Come on ...
I've lived in Northern Ireland for 23 years mate, many more than two lol.
Christianity and Islam both have a plethora of killings.
What, so they were catholics?
Sure, catholics were here before protestants mate. And protestants still kill. I'm neither.
Did the 'stone them to death' verses get cut out for the Protestant bible?
Come on ...
J
I wasn't saying two people died. I said prior, you had one incident. Then that you had two.
"Looks like you have one.
Yep. Two."
Calm your pants bro.
I don't know about Christianity, unless you attribute God's commands regarding the Amalekites and Caananitse as Christianity. In that case, there was nothing morally wrong about it.
Catholicism isn't Christianity.
As individuals, yes. I never said Christians were perfect.
I know.
Nope. No cutting involved.
Islam is evil.
"Looks like you have one.
Yep. Two."
Calm your pants bro.
I don't know about Christianity, unless you attribute God's commands regarding the Amalekites and Caananitse as Christianity. In that case, there was nothing morally wrong about it.
Catholicism isn't Christianity.
As individuals, yes. I never said Christians were perfect.
I know.
Nope. No cutting involved.
Islam is evil.
