NICE! Sanders thread

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Mitspa said:
That's fine if you believe your understanding of Christian doctrine shapes your political view ..that's GOOD ..but socialism is really very contrary to sound Christian doctrine ...and to explain socialist ideas as Christian charity is just insulting to many of us who practice real Christian charity and give from our own pockets to help others for the glory of Christ and motivated by His Love.
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giving gifts to the rich and bullying other countries into acting in your own best interest is not "sound Christian doctrine" in the least.
helping the poor and needy on the other hand -- why you think this is anti-Christian is beyond me. but that is effectively what you're saying, because the idea behind democratic socialism is using the collective wealth of the country for the good of the less fortunate. or you still confusing Bernie Sanders with Vladimir Lenin? :p
seriously, not the same person. not the same ideology.
 
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What does that have to do with the point I am making? Now the fact we have many programs we should not have ..does not mean we need more or should give our nation over to socialist insanity.
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"many programs we should not have"

are you against k-12 public education or not? do you think there should be no social safety net, and that religious organizations should bear the burden of all the needs of all the people in the country?
would your church pay unemployment or disability to the heathen nextdoor who got his leg broken at the factory?
 
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selfless is when you don't say "MINE" about 'your' money at all, and when it doesn't bother you that some of that money is used to help someone who has less than you, regardless of whether they work or don't work. charity is not imposing conditions on the man in the ditch before you help him out of it.
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No that not biblical selflessness to give your money to government ... I have what God gave me and have earned through work and God Blessing ...yes it is mine and if anyone else has a claim on it ..its the Lord ..not the government !
 
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Not when you have a whole voting block who get to vote themselves raises
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what's that about congress you were saying?

;)

yeah that needs to change too.
 
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"many programs we should not have"

are you against k-12 public education or not? do you think there should be no social safety net, and that religious organizations should bear the burden of all the needs of all the people in the country?
would your church pay unemployment or disability to the heathen nextdoor who got his leg broken at the factory?
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I would stop a lot of programs ...especially federal programs and allow local folks to keep their tax money and decide what they want to spend it on ... that a democratic republic ..not socialism
 
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Mitspa said:
No that not biblical selflessness to give your money to government ... I have what God gave me and have earned through work and God Blessing ...yes it is mine and if anyone else has a claim on it ..its the Lord ..not the government !
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Romans 13. pay taxes to whom taxes are due. Matthew 22 / Mark 12. give to Caesar what is Caesar's.

 
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Romans 13. pay taxes to whom taxes are due. Matthew 22 / Mark 12. give to Caesar what is Caesar's.

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I write an electronic check to the IRS every month for payroll taxes. I pay them because that is the law. I don't really care for the large sum of money I pay and I hope we get a president who reforms welfare and does away with a whole host of govt agencies that waste my money.
 
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Romans 13. pay taxes to whom taxes are due. Matthew 22 / Mark 12. give to Caesar what is Caesar's.

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We the people are Caesar in America ..we decide these issues ..not a bunch of left-wing socialist. And the people have decided we are not a socialist nation..we are a democratic republic and will remain that way ..and the people have the power, not a Caesar
 
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There's only one good thing I could say..

Democracy Day, he recommended we have a new holiday just to vote. I imagine that'd help.

Other than that... he's just wrong on everything.
 
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I have such mixed feeling about the whole socialist vs free economy thing. I have lived it on both ends, and on the extremes of the each spectrum. I am not even talking about the implementation of a plan, that can never be done in a way that will be fair and equitable to all the people. I don't even want to get into that, which is what we have mostly discussed here. But in reality, any system just ultimately reflects our sin nature. And since I have lived it from both sides, because of that alone, I think I am qualified to say from experience that we may actually be better off with a system tilted toward socialism. I am not saying that with a elitetist attitude, I respect what everyone else has to say. I said in another post here, we are going in that direction anyway, and there is no stopping it in the long term. But not a Swedish type system. Maybe a hybrid between what we have now, and that.
 
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I write an electronic check to the IRS every month for payroll taxes. I pay them because that is the law. I don't really care for the large sum of money I pay and I hope we get a president who reforms welfare and does away with a whole host of govt agencies that waste my money.
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While I sympathize with you, I also know a President can, at best, request said reforms, and lobby for them. POTUS does not have the power to actually reform. The Congress must do this.
 
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There's only one good thing I could say..

Democracy Day, he recommended we have a new holiday just to vote. I imagine that'd help.

Other than that... he's just wrong on everything.
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This idea has been around for years...............not sure Sanders was the one to first suggest it.
 
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Calmador said:
There's only one good thing I could say..

Democracy Day, he recommended we have a new holiday just to vote. I imagine that'd help.

Other than that... he's just wrong on everything.
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I'd vote for anybody bringing a casserole of holidays to the party.
 
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posthuman said:
Ken Nwadike, the founder of the "free hugs project" went to a Donald Trump rally and a Bernie Sanders rally with some obviously different results.

[video=youtube;1L_UKv19P9E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L_UKv19P9E[/video]

full story in the link:

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/31/man_offers_free_hugs_at_sanders_and_trump_rallies_and_gets_shockingly_different_responses/
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The areas of the country that the video was taken may have had something to do with the results. The first area, the Trump crowd, looked like a mid west or maybe southern crowd, from a small-ish town type area. I am saying that because of they way the dressed and background.
The second area, as I am sure many here well know, is San Diego. Big city, generally better educated, and probably more well off financially. And the "laid back" Cali life style.
What that says about republicans or democrats, or small town or big city, or education and monetary levels, I don't know.
Also, who knows how the film editing was done. It certainly seems the agenda was anti Trump/republican.
The video really makes that specific crowd look ignorant and hateful, and maybe even a bit prejudiced.
I can say that if that was a Trump crowd in New York City, or probably any big city in the country, that man would have gotten a lot more hugs, and a friendlier crowd.

 
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posthuman

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yes, it's a Trump rally in WI and a Sanders rally in San Diego, and there is probably bias in the editing, and the guy is more than likely following an agenda to make a point about the difference between Trump and Sander's campaigns and the general mindset of their supporters.

while there's bias involved, i don't think that bias completely explains away the differences -- this is by no means the only source suggesting that there is a violently charged, bigoted atmosphere at Trump campaign stops and among his supporters that is far different from the atmosphere and mood at Sanders campaigns and among his supporters.

i think there's no shortage of evidence to back that up.

anyway here's an extended video with less editing:

(VULGAR, HATEFUL LANGUAGE WARNING)

[video=youtube;rSP3aiCmGM8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSP3aiCmGM8&feature=youtu.be[/video]
 
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And WI is supposed to be a "progressive" state...
 
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