On this Virus from China

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I don't have proof, but as I don't believe a virus has even been isolated (using an electron microscope to confirm), the simplest explanation to me is that viruses as claimed don't exist.

Possibly bacteria. Possibly toxins. Possibly both (bacteria working to clean up toxins). Have you ever been to a doctor, been diagnosed with some virus, yet been prescribed antibiotics? When asked why, doctors will answer that the viral infection might cause a bacterial one (or the doctor may be unsure whether the sickness is viral or bacterial), so prescribe the antibiotics in case of bacterial infection. My view (from lack of knowledge of other evidence), is why then invoke viruses as a cause of sickness?
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Moses_Young said:
I don't believe a virus has even been isolated (using an electron microscope to confirm),
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Do you think this piece of equipment is not real or does not exist?

Do you think all micro-biologist and epidemiologists are liars?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2772359/
 
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EleventhHour said:
While I find this intriguing, it is hard to accept as truth and be persuaded without evidence.
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Yet, you have been persuaded to accept the contrary as truth without evidence???

I think you are totally "not getting" what Moses_Young is trying to get across...

So - let me attempt to help just a little bit...

The following statement can be found at the top of the 'Truth' page on my website:

"Truth is available only to those who have the courage to question whatever they have been taught." - (Author Unknown)

Read it over and over and over again --- until you understand the painfully obvious blatant truth that it is saying to you.
 
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Yet, you have been persuaded to accept the contrary as truth without evidence???

I think you are totally "not getting" what Moses_Young is trying to get across...

So - let me attempt to help just a little bit...

The following statement can be found at the top of the 'Truth' page on my website:

"Truth is available only to those who have the courage to question whatever they have been taught." - (Author Unknown)

Read it over and over and over again --- until you understand the painfully obvious blatant truth that it is saying to you.
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Can you be more specific about which truth?
 
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GaryA

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For the absolute majority of all people on earth:

'evidence' = "any statement made by an 'authoritative' person or organization"
 
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GaryA

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I am only trying to do what Moses_Young is trying to do --- get you to think for yourself instead of simply 'parroting' what you have heard.
 
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GaryA

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It is very unfortunate that most Christians do not understand just how 'big' of a LIAR that Satan really is --- and, are unwilling to consider how it manifests in the reality they live in.
 
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GaryA

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The painfully obvious blatant truth in/of the statement in blue in post #142 is:

"You have been lied to!"

You have been fed lies all of your life by an/the establishment of "unquestionable authority" in every facet of your physical existance.

(You just don't fully realize it yet.)
 
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GaryA

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Many of the things you believe exist - simply because you were told to believe it - do not even exist!

Believe it!

(But - don't just take my word for it -- do your own thinking - and research - and determine it for yourself.)

Many things in this world really do have an agenda behind it...

Believe it!

(But - don't just take my word for it -- do your own thinking - and research - and determine it for yourself.)
 
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The statement in blue in post #142 is telling you that you will only learn the [real] truth [about the reality you live in] if you question what you have been taught.

If you never question what you have been taught -- you will live out your life like the mass population in The Matrix - who are "clueless" about the true nature of their reality.
 
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GaryA

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GaryA said:
It is very unfortunate that most Christians do not understand just how 'big' of a LIAR that Satan really is . . .
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Especially when the Bible tells us:

Revelation 12:

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And, he has in fact done exactly that.

Are you willing to believe what the Bible says - or, are you unwilling to believe that Satan can do - and, has achieved - what is indicated in the verse above...?
 
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GaryA said:
I am only trying to do what Moses_Young is trying to do --- get you to think for yourself instead of simply 'parroting' what you have heard.
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I think for myself... and I know all.about deception and lies.

Do you some specific evidence about viruses not being real because that is the topic here.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Do you some specific evidence about viruses not being real because that is the topic here.
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Somehow I think that dcontroversal would disagree; however, it is a current discussion related to the topic.

I do not have any specific evidence to offer at this time...
 
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GaryA said:
Somehow I think that dcontroversal would disagree; however, it is a current discussion related to the topic.

I do not have any specific evidence to offer at this time...
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Well you cannot just state viruses do not exist without at least some reason for thinking that way.

Maybe they were created in some lab...but anyone who has caught a cold from someone else and has the exact same symptoms has to concede that the illness was caused by some microbe passed between the two people.
 
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Moses_Young said:
I don't have proof, but as I don't believe a virus has even been isolated (using an electron microscope to confirm), the simplest explanation to me is that viruses as claimed don't exist.

Possibly bacteria. Possibly toxins. Possibly both (bacteria working to clean up toxins). Have you ever been to a doctor, been diagnosed with some virus, yet been prescribed antibiotics? When asked why, doctors will answer that the viral infection might cause a bacterial one (or the doctor may be unsure whether the sickness is viral or bacterial), so prescribe the antibiotics in case of bacterial infection. My view (from lack of knowledge of other evidence), is why then invoke viruses as a cause of sickness?
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Bacteria behaves very differently in the body.
Yes doctors cannot determine what you have unless they do further tests.

They like to cover all the basis.. having said this doctors no longer prescribe antibiotics so quickly because of the threat of super bugs.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Well you cannot just state viruses do not exist without at least some reason for thinking that way.

Maybe they were created in some lab...but anyone who has caught a cold from someone else and has the exact same symptoms has to concede that the illness was caused by some microbe passed between the two people.
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I do not believe that I have made such a statement. I am not trying to prove or disprove whether viruses exist or not. What I am suggesting is that - a lot of the time, at least some of what you hear and read is "made up" - it is not real (at least, not the way it is presented to you). And, that - most people tend to believe and accept most-if-not-all of what they hear and read without even thinking about the possibility of the necessity of the requirement of proof.

Do you really trust any and all [modern] 'authority' figures so much that you never question anything they say as having a requirement of proof???

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As for the virus in China (the thread topic) - I am 100% convinced that one of the following is true:

~ The virus - as defined and demonstrated in the public media - is "made up" (agenda based) and does not actually exist.

~ The virus does exist - and, was created in a laboratory and purposely and deliberately released into the population.

I do not believe that it was an "accident" of nature.
 
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GaryA said:
I do not believe that I have made such a statement. I am not trying to prove or disprove whether viruses exist or not. What I am suggesting is that - a lot of the time, at least some of what you hear and read is "made up" - it is not real (at least, not the way it is presented to you). And, that - most people tend to believe and accept most-if-not-all of what they hear and read without even thinking about the possibility of the necessity of the requirement of proof.

Do you really trust any and all [modern] 'authority' figures so much that you never question anything they say as having a requirement of proof???

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As for the virus in China (the thread topic) - I am 100% convinced that one of the following is true:

~ The virus - as defined and demonstrated in the public media - is "made up" (agenda based) and does not actually exist.

~ The virus does exist - and, was created in a laboratory and purposely and deliberately released into the population.

I do not believe that it was an "accident" of nature.
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Okay
I prefer to have a little higher level of proof...it could be a virus from animal or it could be a genetically modified virus...truth is we may never know.

The percentage of death is about 2%
SARS was almost 10%., H1N1 I believe even higher, one would think a lab created virus would be far more virulent.
 
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