Pedophiles Wanting Same Rights as Homosexuals

[Ritter]

Homosexuality should be outlawed as it is against the law of God. Western nations used to, until the 1950s and 60s and the age of apostasy set in. It is the metropolitan elites that set the agendas today, not the theocrats of old. The metropolitan elites are all atheists, except perhaps for certain Tea Party folk.

I would be quick to add that the action was outlawed in those days, not so much as the cast of mind. I am neither for nor against outlawing of homosexuality at the moment. It is one of the few subjects in which I sit squarely on the fence.

Why?

1. Where do we draw the line between enforcing cast of mind and action? Especially in matters as private as those that occur within the confines of the bedroom.

Why? People should not be convicted concerning who they are but rather what it is they do. Homosexuality is something hard to prove beyond all reasonable doubt. If we start accusing and convicting people on so flimsy a basis, then how much longer will it take before people point the finger at others and falsely accuse them to get them "out of the way."

I could, for example, accuse anyone on this forum of being homosexual in a court of law and potentially ruin their lives based on a flimsy assumption. This is a dangerous legal prospect that was not common in the days when it was outlawed, but has more potential to resurface now.

2. It has been tried before and it has failed to ensure the morality of society generally speaking. At least based on the results. Perhaps there was a mitigating influence back in the day.

That said, I'm not dead set against the idea either. It would have to be one of those general moral laws that is borderline unenforceable.

 

[SonInMe]

Freedom is a funny thing. At times it allows actions that are not the best for humanity but to curtail these activities would eradicate the freedom we must have to have a true viable society.

In our form of government debate keeps freedoms alive. As long as the truth is known about homosexuality and the Holy Spirit thrives in america, freedom will exist.

Tyrannies do things like outlaw homosexuality. Sounds good but its a slippery slope.....

of the simple minded.

 

[JimJimmers]

before right wing nuts tried to outlaw homosexuality, only 3% of children's accusations of molestation resulted in conviction, compared to 74% of accusations of theft resulting in conviction, and yes you right wing nut do know that it's a lot less likely for a child to falsely accuse anyone of molestation than for an adult to falsely accuse someone of theft. so how is it going after you right wing nuts went after the homosexuals? still a 3% conviction rate for the molesters. the most likely cause if this consistent miscarriage of justice, is because 97% of child molestation cases are straight, not homosexual, and right wing nuts make sure to foul up convictions in straight child molestation cases because they pose a reality which interferes with the slippery-slope fallacy.

From what time period are your statistics? Homosexuality was outlawed in many places until Lawrence vs. Texas in 2003. When are you starting your stopwatch of "right wing nuts" trying to outlaw homosexuality?

Furthermore, are we supposed to believe that these right wing nuts foul up pedophilia convictions all over the country? Most of these cases are handled at the state or local level, so it seems quite unlikely that the right wing nuts in California, Massachusetts, New York, etc are able to foul up that many cases so efficiently. I could conceive of a rogue prosecutor tossing out cases he didn't want to prosecute, but such fouling up as to throw off the statistics for the entire country so perfectly seems hard to fathom. One might question why the Republicans keep losing elections, if they're that good at infrastructural skullduggery.

 

[wisebeardman]

honestly once you start to slide down the slippery slope, there is no stopping until you hit rock bottom. 1st it was homosexuals, now pedophiles, next people who want to have sex with animals will want "rights"

 

[JimJimmers]

honestly once you start to slide down the slippery slope, there is no stopping until you hit rock bottom. 1st it was homosexuals, now pedophiles, next people who want to have sex with animals will want "rights"

LOL, you're too late. People who have sex with animal already want rights. I would post a link but the device I'm on is being horribly slow right now. I started a thread a bit ago about a bestiality brothel that opened in Germany.

 

[DreaMo]

LOL, you're too late. People who have sex with animal already want rights. I would post a link but the device I'm on is being horribly slow right now. I started a thread a bit ago about a bestiality brothel that opened in Germany.

No, they don't, they just choose to live in places whee it's legal. Bestiality was already legal in 23 states in America, before gays started lobbying for rights, there goes your slippery slope argument. Nobody in the other 27 states are going to lobby for rights, they already packed up and moved to those 23 states years ago, and that's just in America. All the other places in the world have places where Bestiality is legal. In fact, every country in the world where homosexuality is punishable by death, has provinces where bestiality is legal. Looks like reality itself, is declaring the opposite of your slippery slope argument to be true. .

 

[JimJimmers]

No, they don't, they just choose to live in places whee it's legal. Bestiality was already legal in 23 states in America, before gays started lobbying for rights, there goes your slippery slope argument. Nobody in the other 27 states are going to lobby for rights, they already packed up and moved to those 23 states years ago, and that's just in America. All the other places in the world have places where Bestiality is legal. In fact, every country in the world where homosexuality is punishable by death, has provinces where bestiality is legal. Looks like reality itself, is declaring the opposite of your slippery slope argument to be true. .

Sorry Honey, I didn't make a slippery slope argument. I just told Wisebeardman that people who have sex with animals already want rights. This was confirmed by your post, although you added in a bunch of unnecessary grouchiness. Check yourself before you wreck yourself next time

 

[charlesbro]

Homosexuals are sex offenders. There is no distinction to be made except in the object of their unlawful lusts.

I like your supporting evidence bro...
**sarcasm**

 

[charlesbro]

Homosexuality should be outlawed as it is against the law of God. Western nations used to, until the 1950s and 60s and the age of apostasy set in. It is the metropolitan elites that set the agendas today, not the theocrats of old. The metropolitan elites are all atheists, except perhaps for certain Tea Party folk.

Just because some of us Christians don't agree with homosexuality, doesn't mean we deny rights of others. We just let it be as it's none of our business. God is great, but as Christians we must let some things be. Our thoughts are petty, and sorry to say, but God doesn't rule any country yet. That being said, why outlaw something 'just because' we don't agree with it and our beliefs? C'mon get with it, not everyone in the world is Christian, sadly. :/
God bless you nonetheless

 

[Ritter]

Freedom is a funny thing. At times it allows actions that are not the best for humanity but to curtail these activities would eradicate the freedom we must have to have a true viable society.

In our form of government debate keeps freedoms alive. As long as the truth is known about homosexuality and the Holy Spirit thrives in america, freedom will exist.

Tyrannies do things like outlaw homosexuality. Sounds good but its a slippery slope.....

of the simple minded.

Most American states executed homosexuals when the Constitution was ratified. I would hardly describe the nation at that time as a tyranny compared with other nations in the span of world history.

While agree with you that the potential for tyranny exists in regimes with such laws (see my previous post), in our society the cause of tyranny has been the flight from such laws to a different standard.

LOL, you're too late. People who have sex with animal already want rights. I would post a link but the device I'm on is being horribly slow right now. I started a thread a bit ago about a bestiality brothel that opened in Germany.

Someone reads the news forum.

 

[Gjolll]

Just because some of us Christians don't agree with homosexuality, doesn't mean we deny rights of others. We just let it be as it's none of our business.

Human rights do not equate to rights given by God. No person has any intrinsic right to homosexual acts. Just because one pagan says to another, "I grant you permission to perform such acts," it does not mean that they have such rights. That is what WWII was all about. Hitler as the supreme authority gave permission for his armies to invade other nations and effect the extermination of the Jews. Germany subsequently refused to recognize the legal basis of such a law. Similarly I do not recognize the legal basis of any pagan law that condones homosexuality.

God is great, but as Christians we must let some things be. Our thoughts are petty, and sorry to say, but God doesn't rule any country yet. That being said, why outlaw something 'just because' we don't agree with it and our beliefs? C'mon get with it, not everyone in the world is Christian, sadly. :/
God bless you nonetheless

Jesus Christ rules all the nations and even now is judging them. Yet you are right in this aspect. There is no point in fretting over the wickedness of pagans who will meet their just reward. That however does not mean that any Christian should meekly submit to their wickedness, or not fight for the will of God on earth. Are Christians supposed to be spineless?

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[zone]

I would be quick to add that the action was outlawed in those days, not so much as the cast of mind. I am neither for nor against outlawing of homosexuality at the moment. It is one of the few subjects in which I sit squarely on the fence.

Why?

1. Where do we draw the line between enforcing cast of mind and action? Especially in matters as private as those that occur within the confines of the bedroom.

Why? People should not be convicted concerning who they are but rather what it is they do. Homosexuality is something hard to prove beyond all reasonable doubt. If we start accusing and convicting people on so flimsy a basis, then how much longer will it take before people point the finger at others and falsely accuse them to get them "out of the way."

I could, for example, accuse anyone on this forum of being homosexual in a court of law and potentially ruin their lives based on a flimsy assumption. This is a dangerous legal prospect that was not common in the days when it was outlawed, but has more potential to resurface now.

2. It has been tried before and it has failed to ensure the morality of society generally speaking. At least based on the results. Perhaps there was a mitigating influence back in the day.

That said, I'm not dead set against the idea either. It would have to be one of those general moral laws that is borderline unenforceable.

Putin signs 'gay propaganda' ban and law criminalizing insult of religious feelings
Putin signs 'gay propaganda' ban and law criminalizing insult of religious feelings — RT Russian politics

i would be "for" FINES for propagating deviant sexual material to children....with perhaps criminal charges for repeat offenders.
i'm certainly "for" HUGE FINES and further for organizations doing so (schools; etc).

stop this sickness from being NORMALIZED....if you hit them where it hurts - money...the organized part will stop.
and, if it's financial...you can track who the big money backers of the agenda are....50 billion dollar fine for them

i'm not "for" intruding into the bedrooms of adults.
but - where kids are involved - IRON BARS for a long long long long time....or, just a short time in the general population at Rikers.

 

[didymos]

honestly once you start to slide down the slippery slope, there is no stopping until you hit rock bottom. 1st it was homosexuals, now pedophiles, next people who want to have sex with animals will want "rights"

You forgot next animals will want more 'rights' too.

 

[SonInMe]

Just because some of us Christians don't agree with homosexuality, doesn't mean we deny rights of others. We just let it be as it's none of our business. God is great, but as Christians we must let some things be. Our thoughts are petty, and sorry to say, but God doesn't rule any country yet. That being said, why outlaw something 'just because' we don't agree with it and our beliefs? C'mon get with it, not everyone in the world is Christian, sadly. :/
God bless you nonetheless

I am sorry but there is no such thing as gay rights....and its all bible believing christians who know homosexuality is a sin.

 

[SonInMe]

By the way...I want to marry my house.

Think of the tax breaks!

 

[JimJimmers]

By the way...I want to marry my house.

Think of the tax breaks!

I am already married to your house, Soninme. And the relationship is too special to have a "third wheel" involved, so I'll have to ask you to leave at once.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Just because some of us Christians don't agree with homosexuality, doesn't mean we deny rights of others. We just let it be as it's none of our business. God is great, but as Christians we must let some things be. Our thoughts are petty, and sorry to say, but God doesn't rule any country yet. That being said, why outlaw something 'just because' we don't agree with it and our beliefs? C'mon get with it, not everyone in the world is Christian, sadly. :/
God bless you nonetheless

What god do you worship?

 

[Elizabeth619]

I am guessing within the next decade pedophilia will be legal in the US. Soon after that rape of any kind will no longer be a crime. How could it be?

 

[jimmydiggs]

I am already married to your house, Soninme. And the relationship is too special to have a "third wheel" involved, so I'll have to ask you to leave at once.

Are you suggesting he lives in a trailer?

 

[jimmydiggs]

I am guessing within the next decade pedophilia will be legal in the US. Soon after that rape of any kind will no longer be a crime. How could it be?

I'm not sure about that. I think the feminaazis will keep that one in check.