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I dunno about that, I mean when a man sins (and everyone of us do), but then turn repent of the sin, it is no longer held on our heads. When the people of Israel were going to stone the woman for her sin, Christ stopped them from doing it, and told her to go and sin no more. I dunno where your getting this from the bible?
That being said, its not like I believe that this is something that should be allowed, Im talking biblically. If a man has sinned and wants to do the righteous thing when repenting, he will accept the punishment he is given anyways.
And for actually seeing someone doing this to a child, that wasnt really the conversation that Im aware of, I was talking about someone who had done this in their life, but coming to God. We are told that when our brothers repent, we are to forgive as God would do. Continuing to refuse them is not of God. We should then give them the Gospel. It would be the same as the idea of "kill all muslims" because of their belief that they must kill the Jews (either now or when theyre mahdi comes), there are some who will not repent, and they are under Gods wrath. But then there are those who will come wanting to know about Christ, and their salvation. It would be wrong to hold it from them. Its a totally different conversation.
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So you're going to call Harvard Med "wrong" too? I'd like to know on what you base your information. I've read the research. I know how to interpret it. Having a "gut feeling" or a personal experience is nothing to base a decision on regarding the release of a pedophile
I'm all for showing the love of Christ, but keeping these men and the few women who are also pedophiles away from kids for the rest of their lives is a good idea, and that's based on empirical evidence. Pedophiles can receive the word in prison, repent, and receive Christ, and I'll rejoice with them in heaven. But letting them out is statistically indicated to be a mistake.
I'm all for showing the love of Christ, but keeping these men and the few women who are also pedophiles away from kids for the rest of their lives is a good idea, and that's based on empirical evidence. Pedophiles can receive the word in prison, repent, and receive Christ, and I'll rejoice with them in heaven. But letting them out is statistically indicated to be a mistake.
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What can I say VW? Even tho I agree it's an incredibly small number, I have seen it happen. With my own eyes. And with all the respect I have for Harvard, I don't believe they are a faith based organization (correct me if I'm wrong on that). Jesus repeatedly told us that faith is essential in seeing such miracles (http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/6714-power-faith.html). And that's what I tried for so long to show to Zone, that sometimes a huge amount of book smarts can cloud the eyes of the faithful.
Do pedophiles change their spots often? No, not really. Does it ever happen? Yes, really.
Do pedophiles change their spots often? No, not really. Does it ever happen? Yes, really.
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Jesus taught unconditional love and forgiveness, not unconditional trust and respect. Trust must be earned. Harm a child, you don't deserve trust anymore, regardless of being converted while incarcerated.
"Little ones" is the Greek mikroß (mikros) meaning literally "little one" or "young one." "Stumble" is the word (skandalizo) which is placing a trap, either of sin, or causing the loss of trust by someone in someone else who should be trusted. While Jesus' statement here regards faith, I think it would be a mistake to believe He would expect us to trust someone who causes the psychological and spiritual harm sexual abuse causes a child.
Yes, Jesus forgive sins when a right and true confession of contrition is expressed, but I don't believe Jesus has any expectation we are to trust someone who causes that kind of harm, ever again, regardless of deliverance or not. Murderers do life if their crimes were premeditated, and even the forgiveness of the families isn't sufficient to convince the state to release them. So it should be with pedophiles.
It's as simple as that. Some things cause trust to be permanently denied.
Matthew 18, NASB
6 "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."
6 "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."
"Little ones" is the Greek mikroß (mikros) meaning literally "little one" or "young one." "Stumble" is the word (skandalizo) which is placing a trap, either of sin, or causing the loss of trust by someone in someone else who should be trusted. While Jesus' statement here regards faith, I think it would be a mistake to believe He would expect us to trust someone who causes the psychological and spiritual harm sexual abuse causes a child.
Yes, Jesus forgive sins when a right and true confession of contrition is expressed, but I don't believe Jesus has any expectation we are to trust someone who causes that kind of harm, ever again, regardless of deliverance or not. Murderers do life if their crimes were premeditated, and even the forgiveness of the families isn't sufficient to convince the state to release them. So it should be with pedophiles.
It's as simple as that. Some things cause trust to be permanently denied.
Ricky! You have redeemed yourself!!!! 
I mistakenly thought you were all about letting them walk the moment they said sorry. Whew!
Sorry for being difficult with you.
I mistakenly thought you were all about letting them walk the moment they said sorry. Whew!
Sorry for being difficult with you.
No, they kneel and they walk are two completely different things.
No worries bro, my wife says I'm difficult too
In that case, the right thing to do would be to report them to the authorities, and not take vengeance into your own hands.
I do believe it would be more right to detain anyone doing such an act over killing them anyway, that way the can both receive punishment, but also be given the chance to repent of their sins to God.
I once explained the larger danger to children is not repeat offenders, but the new ones being developed every day. (And this is mainly no one's fault but yours and mine,,, due to the laws and ostracizing shame we have fostered. (Troubled "not yet offenders" honestly cannot come forward to get help without facing disastrous consequences, both financial and societal.)
But, here is the 6-year scenario: If you were to line up every single Sex Offender you could lay your hands on, and mow them all down with a machine gun...... within 6 short years, due to the growth rate of these crimes, we would be looking at the same number we have right this very minute.
And that math was done about 15 years ago. The rate has increased dramatically since then. It might only take 4 years today.
The biggest number of offences is coming from people who have previously never done anything like this, so we haven't the slightest clue who they are. And we end doing the same old thing.... sitting on our butts, not proactively protecting even ONE child (remember, we just finished killing all those we "claimed" we were protecting children from?) We just sit and wait till yet another child is molested.... THEN we scream for vengeance.
Big deal. Very impressive. We still sat there and let another child be molested.
But, here is the 6-year scenario: If you were to line up every single Sex Offender you could lay your hands on, and mow them all down with a machine gun...... within 6 short years, due to the growth rate of these crimes, we would be looking at the same number we have right this very minute.
And that math was done about 15 years ago. The rate has increased dramatically since then. It might only take 4 years today.
The biggest number of offences is coming from people who have previously never done anything like this, so we haven't the slightest clue who they are. And we end doing the same old thing.... sitting on our butts, not proactively protecting even ONE child (remember, we just finished killing all those we "claimed" we were protecting children from?) We just sit and wait till yet another child is molested.... THEN we scream for vengeance.
Big deal. Very impressive. We still sat there and let another child be molested.