PERSEVERANCE ON MARS - SEARCHING FOR LIFE OR DEATH OF A CIVILIZATION?
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Why is this significant? 
Briefly stated, it's evidence nuclear weapons have been detonated on both planets. On earth, these detonations have been restricted to five hundred explosions or so (in atmosphere). America alone detonated over three hundred before atmospheric testing ended. We are paying a terrible price for these test to this day (*). On Mars, the amount of the isotope everywhere suggests a massive thermo-nuclear holocaust occurred sometime in Mars' past.
The only possibilities one can consider is either that the Martians engaged in a nuclear exchange thus destroying themselves by atomic suicide or that a third party rained death upon the planet. Consideration of that latter scenario gives most people a headache.
On Earth the ramifications of these facts ought to give pause to God's offer of peace and immortal life in the blood of Christ Jesus. Unfortunately most people on this planet are too enamored with torture and murder of our fellow human beings to consider the possibility of planetary suicide. The Bible suggests this very eventuality is in our future.
Ought not these facts alone be sufficient to drive us to REPENT of our SIN and beg God for forgiveness protection and mercy?
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
(*) Other components of nuclear atmospheric testing are strontium 89 and strontium 90. Both have a half-life of fifty thousand years and a chemical affinity for calcium. Following a nuclear explosion strontium particles filter down to the earth in the form of radioactive fallout. Strontium is consumed by cattle and passed to humans in milk. It also percolates into human breasts by way of our diet. Prior to nuclear testing in the 1950's human breast cancer was not diagnosed at the extreme levels it is today. There is a direct causative link between cancers today and nuclear fallout from the 1950's.
Cessation of atmospheric testing by every nation on earth is directly related to this FACT. (Look it up)
Strontium doesn't go away - ever. Refusal to acknowledge the FACT of radioactive fallout on Mars and Earth isn't a mind game except in the minds of people who prefer to bury their minds in ignorance.
The Bible says man is spiritually DEAD.
Man understands nothing with his brain and less with the tiny bit of spirit we carry around. At death even that tiny spark passes away. The Bible says man dies like a dog. There is no divine spark in any of us.
Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. - Ecclesiastes 3:19
The only spirit of importance, according to the Bible, is the Holy Spirit. It is this spirit that gives life to those who have surrendered to Christ and accepted Him. It is the Holy Spirit alone that speaks truth to man from time to time.
Your "spirit being" is an illusion, a myth, a fanciful adaptation of wishful thinking. It is nothing at all. If it was, you'd be writing something other than flummery and nonsense.
It is time to REPENT of association with devils spirits and manifestations of conscience that are opposed to God and God's Word.
There is death in the stuff you are taking into yourself. Vomit it out and accept God's LAW while you still can.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
Man understands nothing with his brain and less with the tiny bit of spirit we carry around. At death even that tiny spark passes away. The Bible says man dies like a dog. There is no divine spark in any of us.
Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. - Ecclesiastes 3:19
The only spirit of importance, according to the Bible, is the Holy Spirit. It is this spirit that gives life to those who have surrendered to Christ and accepted Him. It is the Holy Spirit alone that speaks truth to man from time to time.
Your "spirit being" is an illusion, a myth, a fanciful adaptation of wishful thinking. It is nothing at all. If it was, you'd be writing something other than flummery and nonsense.
It is time to REPENT of association with devils spirits and manifestations of conscience that are opposed to God and God's Word.
There is death in the stuff you are taking into yourself. Vomit it out and accept God's LAW while you still can.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
insteresting choirloft.
So I guess I wasnt far wrong then.
Things is people generally only wanna hear what they wanna hear. Someone who is suicidal cant even conceive what they are doing or want to do is wrong for other people either. All they are thinking of is themselves.
They often arent aware that someone else will have to clean up their mess.
So I guess I wasnt far wrong then.
Things is people generally only wanna hear what they wanna hear. Someone who is suicidal cant even conceive what they are doing or want to do is wrong for other people either. All they are thinking of is themselves.
They often arent aware that someone else will have to clean up their mess.
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Agreeing that the answers to such questions will be theoretical until science discovers solutions, why in the world would you leap to an illogical conspiracy theory as the solution? "the Martians engaged in a nuclear exchange"? Seriously.
I think you're trying to yank our chain. Why is it that the following explanation does not make more since to you than "the Martians engaged in a nuclear exchange"?
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/curiosity-finds-evidence-of-mars-crust-contributing-to-atmosphere
The team's method is called static mass spectrometry, and it's good for detecting gases or isotopes that are present only in trace amounts. Although static mass spectrometry isn't a new technique, its use on the surface of another planet is something only SAM has done.
Overall, the analysis agreed with earlier studies, but some isotope ratios were a bit different than expected. When working on an explanation for those subtle but important differences, the researchers realized that neutrons might have gotten transferred from one chemical element to another within the surface material on Mars. The process is called neutron capture, and it would explain why a few selected isotopes were more abundant than previously thought possible.
In particular, it looks as if some of the barium surrendered neutrons that got picked up by xenon to produce higher-than-expected levels of the isotopes xenon-124 and 126. Likewise, bromine might have surrendered some of its neutrons to produce unusual levels of krypton-80 and krypton-82.
These isotopes could have been released into the atmosphere by impacts on the surface and by gas escaping from the regolith, which is the soil and broken rocks of the surface.
"SAM's measurements provide evidence of a really interesting process in which the rock and unconsolidated material at the planet's surface have contributed to the xenon and krypton isotopic composition of the atmosphere in a dynamic way," said Conrad.
The atmospheres of Earth and Mars exhibit very different patterns of xenon and krypton isotopes, particularly for xenon-129. Mars has much more of it in the atmosphere than does Earth.
"The unique capability to measure in situ the six and nine different isotopes of krypton and xenon allows scientists to delve into the complex interactions between the Martian atmosphere and crust," said Michael Meyer, lead scientist for the Mars Exploration Program at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "Discovering these interactions through time allows us to gain a greater understanding of planetary evolution."
well....people wanna believe what they want so they will make up a story that best fits their already held beliefs, pretty much all the time. See people want to understand stuff and they wanna put two and two together. If someone is found dead and they had a gunshot to their head, most people arent going to think a bullet randomly exploded from inside them.
eg martians (people? animals? inhabitants?) of Mars ruined their own planet! Shame on them
or...seems to be a high level of radiation coming from nuclear power plants that had to be dumped somewhere in the pacific ocean. I have no idea who did this. Maybe it was the naturally occuring. Perhaps chenobryl was just meant to be like that? hmmm.
eg martians (people? animals? inhabitants?) of Mars ruined their own planet! Shame on them
or...seems to be a high level of radiation coming from nuclear power plants that had to be dumped somewhere in the pacific ocean. I have no idea who did this. Maybe it was the naturally occuring. Perhaps chenobryl was just meant to be like that? hmmm.
Agreeing that the answers to such questions will be theoretical until science discovers solutions, why in the world would you leap to an illogical conspiracy theory as the solution? "the Martians engaged in a nuclear exchange"? Seriously. I think you're trying to yank our chain.
Why is it that the following explanation does not make more since to you than "the Martians engaged in a nuclear exchange"?
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/curiosity-finds-evidence-of-mars-crust-contributing-to-atmosphere
The team's method is called static mass spectrometry, and it's good for detecting gases or isotopes that are present only in trace amounts. Although static mass spectrometry isn't a new technique, its use on the surface of another planet is something only SAM has done.
Overall, the analysis agreed with earlier studies, but some isotope ratios were a bit different than expected. When working on an explanation for those subtle but important differences, the researchers realized that neutrons might have gotten transferred from one chemical element to another within the surface material on Mars. The process is called neutron capture, and it would explain why a few selected isotopes were more abundant than previously thought possible.
In particular, it looks as if some of the barium surrendered neutrons that got picked up by xenon to produce higher-than-expected levels of the isotopes xenon-124 and 126. Likewise, bromine might have surrendered some of its neutrons to produce unusual levels of krypton-80 and krypton-82.
These isotopes could have been released into the atmosphere by impacts on the surface and by gas escaping from the regolith, which is the soil and broken rocks of the surface.
"SAM's measurements provide evidence of a really interesting process in which the rock and unconsolidated material at the planet's surface have contributed to the xenon and krypton isotopic composition of the atmosphere in a dynamic way," said Conrad.
The atmospheres of Earth and Mars exhibit very different patterns of xenon and krypton isotopes, particularly for xenon-129. Mars has much more of it in the atmosphere than does Earth.
"The unique capability to measure in situ the six and nine different isotopes of krypton and xenon allows scientists to delve into the complex interactions between the Martian atmosphere and crust," said Michael Meyer, lead scientist for the Mars Exploration Program at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "Discovering these interactions through time allows us to gain a greater understanding of planetary evolution."
I think you're trying to yank our chain.Why is it that the following explanation does not make more since to you than "the Martians engaged in a nuclear exchange"?
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/curiosity-finds-evidence-of-mars-crust-contributing-to-atmosphere
The team's method is called static mass spectrometry, and it's good for detecting gases or isotopes that are present only in trace amounts. Although static mass spectrometry isn't a new technique, its use on the surface of another planet is something only SAM has done.
Overall, the analysis agreed with earlier studies, but some isotope ratios were a bit different than expected. When working on an explanation for those subtle but important differences, the researchers realized that neutrons might have gotten transferred from one chemical element to another within the surface material on Mars. The process is called neutron capture, and it would explain why a few selected isotopes were more abundant than previously thought possible.
In particular, it looks as if some of the barium surrendered neutrons that got picked up by xenon to produce higher-than-expected levels of the isotopes xenon-124 and 126. Likewise, bromine might have surrendered some of its neutrons to produce unusual levels of krypton-80 and krypton-82.
These isotopes could have been released into the atmosphere by impacts on the surface and by gas escaping from the regolith, which is the soil and broken rocks of the surface.
"SAM's measurements provide evidence of a really interesting process in which the rock and unconsolidated material at the planet's surface have contributed to the xenon and krypton isotopic composition of the atmosphere in a dynamic way," said Conrad.
The atmospheres of Earth and Mars exhibit very different patterns of xenon and krypton isotopes, particularly for xenon-129. Mars has much more of it in the atmosphere than does Earth.
"The unique capability to measure in situ the six and nine different isotopes of krypton and xenon allows scientists to delve into the complex interactions between the Martian atmosphere and crust," said Michael Meyer, lead scientist for the Mars Exploration Program at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "Discovering these interactions through time allows us to gain a greater understanding of planetary evolution."
The ramifications of nuclear explosions on Mars are identical to that of Earth. Such weapons are used for one purpose only. They aren't used to justify government grants of billions of dollars to justify a small number of specialists in California. Other experts have run the numbers too and those numbers indicate a nuclear exchange of some sort - on Mars.
Not considered along with these theories is the actual fact of divisive politics at NASA. Such divisions led directly to the Challenger incident as well as overlooking factors that led to the destruction of Columbia. Political argument at NASA is a fact and it clouds theory and assumptions about many things - including but not limited to getting humans off this planet for exploration.
Most of those who argue about planetary geology admit (sooner or later) that there is no substitute for putting boots on Mars - for sending humans there who can make decisions and examinations on the spot. Why hasn't this been done? Because JPL is opposed to manned projects. Because JPL is at odds with Houston-backed human missions. Because the whole structure of NASA is restricted to a mere fraction of finance once accorded to them. (The money these days is assigned to the purpose of making war to benefit our mega-corporations.)
If we, or anybody, acknowledge the possibility that some ancient civilization on Mars committed nuclear suicide then we are forced to look upon the results of actions we MUST avoid on Earth. Looking elsewhere or pretending it didn't happen there (or can't happen here) isn't wise.
The other possibility is that some other culture used nuclear weapons upon the Martian civilization. The reality of that suggestion isn't very palatable either. We are very busy dismissing the possibility of hostile alien cultures we've been warned against by such persons as Stephen Hawking (among others). Oh no. We mustn't consider this possibility. We'd rather think of ET as a cute turtle creature.
Finally the implications for the gospel are severe. The Bible says the SAME THING will happen to Earth.....nuclear holocaust.
It is time to repent of our SINS and wickedness. The hour is late and God may wait a bit before closing the show down here....if we repent and seek His mercy.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....