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violakat

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[h=1]Read the following in regards to how Plan B works.
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How Does it Work?
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The emergency contraceptive/morning-after pill has three modes of action (as does the regular birth control pill); that is, it can work in one of three ways:

  1. The normal menstrual cycle is altered, delaying ovulation; or
  2. Ovulation is inhibited, meaning the egg will not be released from the ovary;
  3. It can irritate the lining of the uterus (endometrium) so as to inhibit implantation.



Whether one understands pregnancy as beginning at "implantation" or "fertilization," the heart of the matter is when human life begins. It is important to keep in mind that scientists have confirmed that at the moment the sperm and the egg join (fertilization), a new human being is created who is completely different from his/her mother.
This is not a subjective opinion, but an objective scientific fact. Accordingly, any artificial action that works to destroy a fertilized egg (human embryo) is abortifacient in nature.

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This information is from:
How Does it Work? - Morning After Pill
 
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Batman007

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#22
Read the following in regards to how Plan B works.
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How Does it Work?



The emergency contraceptive/morning-after pill has three modes of action (as does the regular birth control pill); that is, it can work in one of three ways:

  1. The normal menstrual cycle is altered, delaying ovulation; or
  2. Ovulation is inhibited, meaning the egg will not be released from the ovary;
  3. It can irritate the lining of the uterus (endometrium) so as to inhibit implantation.



Whether one understands pregnancy as beginning at "implantation" or "fertilization," the heart of the matter is when human life begins. It is important to keep in mind that scientists have confirmed that at the moment the sperm and the egg join (fertilization), a new human being is created who is completely different from his/her mother.
This is not a subjective opinion, but an objective scientific fact. Accordingly, any artificial action that works to destroy a fertilized egg (human embryo) is abortifacient in nature.

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This information is from:
How Does it Work? - Morning After Pill
That seems correct. The thing I was pointing out was that the morning after pill is NOT an abortion. Step three, "It can irritate the lining of the uterus so as to inhibit implantation" isn't aborting a fertilized egg. If the sperm reaches the egg, the pill doesn't work, because it's already attached. It does the exact same thing as birth control. In fact it IS birth control, just x3 or something. It says on the box, "this pill will not work if you are pregnant".
 

Nautilus

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Read the following in regards to how Plan B works.
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How Does it Work?



The emergency contraceptive/morning-after pill has three modes of action (as does the regular birth control pill); that is, it can work in one of three ways:

  1. The normal menstrual cycle is altered, delaying ovulation; or
  2. Ovulation is inhibited, meaning the egg will not be released from the ovary;
  3. It can irritate the lining of the uterus (endometrium) so as to inhibit implantation.



Whether one understands pregnancy as beginning at "implantation" or "fertilization," the heart of the matter is when human life begins. It is important to keep in mind that scientists have confirmed that at the moment the sperm and the egg join (fertilization), a new human being is created who is completely different from his/her mother.
This is not a subjective opinion, but an objective scientific fact. Accordingly, any artificial action that works to destroy a fertilized egg (human embryo) is abortifacient in nature.

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This information is from:
How Does it Work? - Morning After Pill

It really hurts your argument when your quoted article is from a clearly pro-life website which automatically leans to biased view points. plus they provide no sources for their scientific claims.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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That seems correct. The thing I was pointing out was that the morning after pill is NOT an abortion. Step three, "It can irritate the lining of the uterus so as to inhibit implantation" isn't aborting a fertilized egg. If the sperm reaches the egg, the pill doesn't work, because it's already attached. It does the exact same thing as birth control. In fact it IS birth control, just x3 or something. It says on the box, "this pill will not work if you are pregnant".
anatomy lesson...

from wikipedia..."In humans (as in all other mammals, except for monotremes), implantation is the very early stage of pregnancy at which the embryo adheres to the wall of the uterus. At this stage of prenatal development, the embryo is a blastocyst. It is by this adhesion that the fetus receives oxygen and nutrients from the mother to be able to grow.
In humans, implantation of a fertilized ovum is most likely to occur about 9 days after ovulation, ranging between 6 to 12 days."

if a fertilized egg is prevented from implanting...then we -are- talking about an abortion...
 
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oOfallen_angelOo

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What are your thoughts on this? I myself believe that 14-15 years of age is way too young to be able to pick up this birth control and use without parents consent.
Where do you think this will lead to next?

Wow that is pretty young.

I'm kinda on the fence because it's like, so many 14 year olds are sleeping around these days, which increases chances of teen pregnancy. If the Plan - B is available, then it could prevent a lot of teen pregnancy and possible abortions.

Well, I guess plan B is sorta like an abortion as it disrupts the fertilization process and pretty much terminates what would be a baby if it works - so idk.

How about we invest more time in money into counseling the youth so they just have more sense to not sleep around so much?
 
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Tintin

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I remember some years ago there was Safe Sex Week at TAFE (a tertiary institution a bit like uni). I was unfortunate enough to bypass some girls giving away free condoms. They offered me some. I didn't know how to react. I was incredibly embarrassed and declined their advances. "You'll need some," they said. I turned bright red and mumbled, "No, thanks. I don't believe in sex before marriage." They looked at me like I was an alien, so I just scampered away.
 
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Batman007

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I remember some years ago there was Safe Sex Week at TAFE (a tertiary institution a bit like uni). I was unfortunate enough to bypass some girls giving away free condoms. They offered me some. I didn't know how to react. I was incredibly embarrassed and declined their advances. "You'll need some," they said. I turned bright red and mumbled, "No, thanks. I don't believe in sex before marriage." They looked at me like I was an alien, so I just scampered away.
What's embarrassing about condoms?
 
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Tintin

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I was a sheltered Christian at the time and I'm not the sort to talk about sex. I just don't do it. And when you don't believe in sex before marriage and you're confronted by some good-looking girls promoting a life-style of having sex without responsibilities, it's disconcerting to say the least.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Well since abstinence as sexual education doesnt work this makes sense. Id rather people have this available than trying other methods or bringing in more kids to this world that have no one to raise them.
I would agree that abstinence as the message itself isn't effective enough to work completely.
Its not that abstinence as sexual education should be the stopping point, but more it should be coupled with the reasons behind why abstinence is best preserved for until marriage.

IE:1. issues which develop through multiple rships which usually setup a pattern of one bad rship to the next then the person left with no foresight of understanding why all their rships end up badly as well as left in denial of any issues which have developed then setting such a person up with multiple sessions of secular therapy which again only compounds the problem since no Godly or scriptural insight is offered to bring one to enlightenment.
2. point 1 also then leading to multiple divorces and marriages then left coming to the conclusions marriage just doesnt work for them, not realizing what the definition of marriage actually is and what the union is for.
3. Guys left with the understanding that sex isn't anything meaningful as it should be and is turned into some sort of past time, experimentation (which only leads to learning from mistake after mistake) and an unappreciation for any intimacy or union between the man and his partner, which again leads to issues of her feeling like she is only used for one thing and him thinking there's always another around the corner.
The thought process instead should be to preserve and foster a healthy rship under the guidlines of scripture, not cultivate a dysfunctional one under wordly guidlines which the enemy plants to only blow up later like a ticking time bomb.
And of course what more does the enemy want than to set off a bomb AFTER the Godly union of marriage has taken place.
4. not to mention unwanted pregnancies with the woman left with the phsychological trauma of killing her baby which gets repressed only to surface later usually at a time when she really does decide to have a child. Thus developing possible helicopter mom and overprotective tendencies which enable the child to become spoiled,
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A parent that is so repressed emotionally that they arent able to help develop the child in a healthy way such as the people we hear say "my mom or dad was never there for me"
and the pattern just creates a domino effect until the cycle is broken with the one thing which could have prevented it all in the first place.
--->Biblical principles and values being taught as a foundation in rships as opposed to just being taught how to have sex before marriage which is what will cause the problems in the first place.
Abstinence is the type of education which should begin at an age young enough before the youth has tasted of the forbidden fruit so to speak.
Otherwise it's more difficult to convey a message or lesson to unlearn something someone thinks won't injure them ...yet.
Look around at rships and marriages around us and we can see what the causes are:
1. A daughter saying, "Mom is on her third marriage" then she subconsciously patterns herself after her parent with the improper thinking that her parent can do no wrong and ends up repeating the cycle.

2. A dad who leaves the marriage because he isn't getting what he wants at home, then the son thinks its ok to do the same. Daughter ends up thinking that's just how men are and accepts the behavior for herself.
FYI: It's ok to be an example to our own parents
3. Friends engaging in promiscuous rships and wondering why the Christian doesn't do the same since it's not the norm when it should be the Norm. It's the Christians responsibility (ours) to be that example to our friends of what they do that hurts them and why they should (Abstain -def:Restrain oneself from doing or enjoying something.) hence the term abstinence.

The practice of Restraint calls for self-discipline
As we all know kids are taught easiest when as they are developing and setting up patterns establishing synapse connections within the brain.
It starts with Parental teaching and discipline which develops the necessary progression to self-discipline,
A parent isnt gonna teach their kid for life, their job is to teach a kid how to make correct choices on their own.
but when the kids are now in school it is then left to the teachers to instill certain lessons and disciplines.
If the two conflict, a child will almost always make the choice to get what they want not understanding any consequences because they havent been told of them.

Whether or not its the kids faults for making bad choices at a young age, its the teachers and parents who must take the initiative in raising the kids properly. And often times this may mean fighting the system.
At the very least educating the adults who were never taught right themselves in the first place and are now carrying on the same repeat bad cycles of behavior by presenting them to the youth.
Abstinence causes no damage, although the alternative can, which is often emotional and spiritual.
This is the reason why the bible lets us know premarital sex is the only sin one commits against oneself.
It is self destructive.
Though the Lord can and does pick up where the parents left off within teaching one the lessons of life, it doesn't have to be after preventable damage has occurred.
It can be prevented through correct education and biblical correction.
How many people remember their past relationships as good experiences they wish they were back in raise their hand? lol
 
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oOfallen_angelOo

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I was a sheltered Christian at the time and I'm not the sort to talk about sex. I just don't do it. And when you don't believe in sex before marriage and you're confronted by some good-looking girls promoting a life-style of having sex without responsibilities, it's disconcerting to say the least.
This is so respectable.

I wish I would have been this way before, but honestly in my Christian experience, I was NEVER told about sex before marriage. Actually, most if not all the higher authorities at my church were having sex without marriage.

My family had sex before marriage; so I thought it wasn't bad at all :p

I only been with one guy officially, but I still wish I would have waited for the guy who matters ya know?

I got re - baptized and during that whole deal, I begged for forgiveness for my sexual immoral behaviors. I hope I've been forgiven, and I haven't been with a guy since - but some days it's difficult :p I'm a fairly attractive girl so there's always male attention looming about.

But I fear God's anger more than I desire my own gratifications so... I pray I stay that way.

Kudos to you though!

The world makes sex after marriage an awkward thing, because the Devil is the god of this world, and he wants us to give in to our sinful natures, and indulge ourselves so we can be destroyed.

What a jerk right?
 
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FAITHFULGILLIAN

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I remember some years ago there was Safe Sex Week at TAFE (a tertiary institution a bit like uni). I was unfortunate enough to bypass some girls giving away free condoms. They offered me some. I didn't know how to react. I was incredibly embarrassed and declined their advances. "You'll need some," they said. I turned bright red and mumbled, "No, thanks. I don't believe in sex before marriage." They looked at me like I was an alien, so I just scampered away.
You told that story very vividly -We all have had moments like that! Some of the girls I know think my family is a throwback to another century. But I have learnt to build up my courage to stand up for my beliefs. And I remind myself- what is a temporary embarrassment weighed up against eternal salvation, anyway?
 
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FAITHFULGILLIAN

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This is so respectable.

I wish I would have been this way before, but honestly in my Christian experience, I was NEVER told about sex before marriage. Actually, most if not all the higher authorities at my church were having sex without marriage.

My family had sex before marriage; so I thought it wasn't bad at all :p

I only been with one guy officially, but I still wish I would have waited for the guy who matters ya know?

I got re - baptized and during that whole deal, I begged for forgiveness for my sexual immoral behaviors. I hope I've been forgiven, and I haven't been with a guy since - but some days it's difficult :p I'm a fairly attractive girl so there's always male attention looming about.

But I fear God's anger more than I desire my own gratifications so... I pray I stay that way.

Kudos to you though!

The world makes sex after marriage an awkward thing, because the Devil is the god of this world, and he wants us to give in to our sinful natures, and indulge ourselves so we can be destroyed.

What a jerk right?

What matters is how you lead your life now. The fact that you have come to the realisation that you had taken a wrong turning and have shown the strength and purpose to change your life round is wonderful. Don't forget Luke 5:17:I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent .
 

Drett

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I was a sheltered Christian at the time and I'm not the sort to talk about sex. I just don't do it. And when you don't believe in sex before marriage and you're confronted by some good-looking girls promoting a life-style of having sex without responsibilities, it's disconcerting to say the least.
Nothing wrong about being embarrassed about girls wanting to give you stuff to put on your penis. The world seems to be void of shy people.
 
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Tintin

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Drett, very subtle. But you understand my discomfort. I'm not entirely shy though, I'm actually an extroverted introvert.

Nothing wrong about being embarrassed about girls wanting to give you stuff to put on your penis. The world seems to be void of shy people.
 
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Batman007

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So wait, are you guys opposed to people handing out contraceptives?
 
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FAITHFULGILLIAN

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So wait, are you guys opposed to people handing out contraceptives?
I think a culture which condones or even promotes promiscuity is going to cause a lot of unhappiness here on earth and more importantly is putting people's immortal souls in peril. That doesn't mean I think handing out contraceptives should be made illegal because we live in a democracy where the majority do not agree with my analysis.
 
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Personally, I like the idea of contraceptives under certain circumstances. Condoms and birth control pills, including the morning after, which generally works by building up the mucus lining inside the ovarian canals to the point that sperm gets clogged in it and cannot fertilize an egg, are a good idea.

The thing is there's a need for a balance between sensible, moral birth control and promoting promiscuity and sexual irresponsibility.

Today's culture promotes a 'try-it-before-you-buy-it' mentality about sex and sexual monogamy. There are several factors that encourage this; more liberal laws, the neo-feminist movement and of course the growing desire for purely recreational sex between couples; the latter of which I don't inherently see a problem with, apart from;

Sex used to be about a connected moment between two people and now it's often hyped up, jumped up and promoted as an exciting, thrill-ride experience and generally it's also promoted in the context of a casual encounter.

I think not only is there an issue with promiscuity and sexual irresponsibility in our culture, but peoples' expectations of what sex should be, particularly among young men and women, is flawed; and that's partly due to the easy accessibility of pornography and partly due to culture and trending attitudes about sex.

Whereas sex used to be about two people connecting and sharing, now it's about who can do it the longest and the best.

Sorry for being graphic, but I'm quite open about sex in this respect. And although my expectations about it aren't unrealistic; a high percentage of the partners I had before I considered abstinence did have very unrealistic and often selfish and shallow expectations about sex, and really about relationships in general.

Contraception isn't really the cause of this in itself; it's more about live-free-die-young-and-don't-give-a-hoot-about-anyone-else culture.

Plainly, the object of many young people's lives nowadays is to experiment and experience all that they can; if that means hurting people and being sexually promiscuous, then that's what it means.
 
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do away with birth control condoms ect ect.

dont want kids dont have sex. pretty simple.
 

Nautilus

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do away with birth control condoms ect ect.

dont want kids dont have sex. pretty simple.
Thats not really the best approach for married couples and shows a complete lack of mature thought on the subject. Sex is FOR marriage nd now you want to take that away from people? genius...
 
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MissCris

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I thought it was funny...