PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET THE COVID SHOT.

[JohnDB]

This is not a reasonable conclusion. We had SmallPox on earth for 3,000 years and it was not mutating. If 30,000 people die from the Flu in the US and you assume it has a mortality rate of 0.1% then only 30 million got it. That is 1/12th of the US population. The same holds true of all other countries. Since the flu is a virus that is carried by birds we can get the flu from chickens or geese, or any other migrating bird so of course there can be a variety of strains. So if you just have 3 primary strains it means only 1/36th of the US population contracts any one of these strains in any given year. To make things worse the strains mutate. So even if I get the flu one year and that gives me pretty good protection the next year, with each passing year and all the mutations that protection will wane.

The original strain of influenza is still going strong...it has a bunch of names though... Boston flu, Spanish flu, swine flu...all the same strain of influenza. It's been having a field day in India where it eventually comes across the pond every fall.

Two variants of C-19 have come from there as well (beta and Delta).

India relies upon "natural immunity" more than most countries.

 

[JohnDB]

This went over my head, can you explain how someone who chooses not to get the vaccine is committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? Bible verses would certainly be appropriate.

thanks

How is it that you DON'T know?
That's kinda outside the box.

 

[ZNP]

How is it that you DON'T know?
That's kinda outside the box.

So do the Christian thing and explain to us how being cautious with companies who have been known to lie and put profit over people's health, how that caution is somehow considered blasphemous? Are you part of Hochul's sect of worshipping the sorcerers who cook up these bioweapons?

[Just to refresh your memory: Post #3832 the antivaxxers are definitely in spiritual trouble with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit]

 

[ZNP]

The original strain of influenza is still going strong...it has a bunch of names though... Boston flu, Spanish flu, swine flu...all the same strain of influenza. It's been having a field day in India where it eventually comes across the pond every fall.

Two variants of C-19 have come from there as well (beta and Delta).

India relies upon "natural immunity" more than most countries.

You might not have been following the discussion so I'll bring everyone up to speed. The claim was made that the flu vaccine gives immunity to the flu. I shared that I have only had the flu once in the last 15 years and during that time I taught HS and was exposed to the flu every year and yet I never once got the Flu shot. Someone else made the claim that for years they got the flu shot every year and yet got the flu as well. When they stopped getting the flu shot they also stopped getting the flu. Then we got the bizarre explanation that although the flu shot didn't protect that person for that year it gave them better immunity so that when the stopped getting the shot they were better able to fight off the flu. I asked for proof that this is what took place pointing out that other more reasonable theories would be that the natural immunity to the flu was from them having contracted it and that the shot did not help at all and may have actually hurt.

 

[iamsoandso]

This is not a reasonable conclusion. We had SmallPox on earth for 3,000 years and it was not mutating. If 30,000 people die from the Flu in the US and you assume it has a mortality rate of 0.1% then only 30 million got it. That is 1/12th of the US population. The same holds true of all other countries. Since the flu is a virus that is carried by birds we can get the flu from chickens or geese, or any other migrating bird so of course there can be a variety of strains. So if you just have 3 primary strains it means only 1/36th of the US population contracts any one of these strains in any given year. To make things worse the strains mutate. So even if I get the flu one year and that gives me pretty good protection the next year, with each passing year and all the mutations that protection will wane.

The Smallpox virus (variola major and variola minor) may or may not be a good example of this I think because it's not known if it mutated a few times or if it mutated many more times(prior to 3000 years ago) and then it wasnt necessary for it to mutate any more to evade the host immune system. It does have a low mutation rate but then it doesn't need to do this to overcome the host defenses (anymore?). Anyway it was eradicated how? Smallpox seems to be an better argument for pro-vaxers in it's case. As for influenza there are A,B,C, and D (A and B) are typically in the vaccines (seasonal flu shots) but yes immunity waning away is the problem(vaccine or not) that's why I see that similarity to C-19 in that it seems to be similar to it in that it is mutating and then the waning in both natural and vaccine stimulated immunity.

 

[iamsoandso]

Not really that's what I meant several post back about the shot they prepared that year might not protect the strain circulating that year but think about what you said "you took the shot every year...ect." and then you stopped getting the flu,,, it's because you took them year after year and they worked so you stopped catching it,,,your proof is in what you said happened. Now that you don't take them the immunity will dwindle and you'll start catching it again.

"Now that you don't take them the immunity will dwindle and you'll start catching it again"

 

[ZNP]

The Smallpox virus (variola major and variola minor) may or may not be a good example of this I think because it's not known if it mutated a few times or if it mutated many more times(prior to 3000 years ago) and then it wasnt necessary for it to mutate any more to evade the host immune system. It does have a low mutation rate but then it doesn't need to do this to overcome the host defenses (anymore?). Anyway it was eradicated how? Smallpox seems to be an better argument for pro-vaxers in it's case. As for influenza there are A,B,C, and D (A and B) are typically in the vaccines (seasonal flu shots) but yes immunity waning away is the problem(vaccine or not) that's why I see that similarity to C-19 in that it seems to be similar to it in that it is mutating and then the waning in both natural and vaccine stimulated immunity.

Now that they have changed the definition of vaccine to include the Covid Vaccine we need to come up with a different word for the SmallPox vaccine because it is very different. Covid vaccine does not give you immunity, SmallPox does, Covid vaccine doesn't keep you from transmitting the disease, SmallPox does.

So I would suggest we call vaccines that are like the SmallPox vaccine to be "Bronze Serpent" vaccines. They allow our body to see the virus without getting the poison of the snake.

Meanwhile the Covid19 vaccine uses bioengineering with the mRNA vaccine, I would call that the "Master Sorcerer" vaccine.

I am not anti Bronze Serpent vaccines, but I am anti Sorcery vaccines.

 

[ZNP]

"Now that you don't take them the immunity will dwindle and you'll start catching it again"

Based on what? Every year that I taught I was exposed to the flu, so every year my immune system was able to see all the new variants and develop immunity to it. I don't need a shot from a frankenstein lab.

 

[iamsoandso]

Now that they have changed the definition of vaccine to include the Covid Vaccine we need to come up with a different word for the SmallPox vaccine because it is very different. Covid vaccine does not give you immunity, SmallPox does, Covid vaccine doesn't keep you from transmitting the disease, SmallPox does.

So I would suggest we call vaccines that are like the SmallPox vaccine to be "Bronze Serpent" vaccines. They allow our body to see the virus without getting the poison of the snake.

Meanwhile the Covid19 vaccine uses bioengineering with the mRNA vaccine, I would call that the "Master Sorcerer" vaccine.

I am not anti Bronze Serpent vaccines, but I am anti Sorcery vaccines.

I like Walter and Fred lets call them that.

 

[iamsoandso]

Based on what? Every year that I taught I was exposed to the flu, so every year my immune system was able to see all the new variants and develop immunity to it. I don't need a shot from a frankenstein lab.

Hmm, then your a first,,Ive never met anyone whoes never caught the Flu.

 

[Handyman62]

Based on what? Every year that I taught I was exposed to the flu, so every year my immune system was able to see all the new variants and develop immunity to it. I don't need a shot from a frankenstein lab.

It blows my mind how iamsoandso is trying to explain why I stopped getting the flu when I stopped getting the flu shot. His explanations make absolutely no sense. I did leave out another part of the story. And that was when I decided to stop the shots I put it in Gods hands.

Believe me when I tell you that when I would get the flu it always lasted longer and hit me harder than everyone else I knew that had gotten the flu. So for me the thought of getting it worse I than usually get it was not a pleasant thought. But as I said I gave it to God.

I have done the same thing with covid, I put it in Gods hands. In my work I interact with the general public without a mask. My co worker contracted covid and I worked literally face to face with him for well over a week before he went to the hospital and was told he had covid. His wife and 2 kids got it also and I interacted with them also.

I also recently started going to a Church that didn't close it's doors for covid nor put any covid restrictions on the congregation and nobody in that Church has contracted covid from anyone else in the Church. Although there have been members who got covid from people outside the church.

To date I have not had covid, but if I do it will be God's will. Whether I live or die is in Gods hands as is the timing of such events.

 

[ZNP]

Hmm, then your a first,,Ive never met anyone whoes never caught the Flu.

I've had the flu and said so in one of these posts in this long back and forth

 

[iamsoandso]

It blows my mind how iamsoandso is trying to explain why I stopped getting the flu when I stopped getting the flu shot. His explanations make absolutely no sense. I did leave out another part of the story. And that was when I decided to stop the shots I put it in Gods hands.

Believe me when I tell you that when I would get the flu it always lasted longer and hit me harder than everyone else I knew that had gotten the flu. So for me the thought of getting it worse I than usually get it was not a pleasant thought. But as I said I gave it to God.

I have done the same thing with covid, I put it in Gods hands. In my work I interact with the general public without a mask. My co worker contracted covid and I worked literally face to face with him for well over a week before he went to the hospital and was told he had covid. His wife and 2 kids got it also and I interacted with them also.

I also recently started going to a Church that didn't close it's doors for covid nor put any covid restrictions on the congregation and nobody in that Church has contracted covid from anyone else in the Church. Although there have been members who got covid from people outside the church.

To date I have not had covid, but if I do it will be God's will. Whether I live or die is in Gods hands as is the timing of such events.

Then you should back up to the original post and notice the different times I said that you didn't say when you stopped taking it,,,how long ago ect. and acknowledge that. ,,that is any time you turn your self over to God it's best to begin with the whole truth instead intentionally not answering and leaving us to speculate as to what might be the reason.

 

[Handyman62]

Then you should back up to the original post and notice the different times I said that you didn't say when you stopped taking it,,,how long ago ect. and acknowledge that. ,,that is any time you turn your self over to God it's best to begin with the whole truth instead intentionally not answering and leaving us to speculate as to what might be the reason.

Not that it changes your nonsensical theories, but this is my fourth year flu free. And what difference would it make to you whether I mentioned I turned it over to God. Unless I missed something in what you said, I can't remember you once putting God into the equation as it relates to the flu or shots so I put it in terms that more related to what you have been touting.

 

[iamsoandso]

Not that it changes your nonsensical theories, but this is my fourth year flu free. And what difference would it make to you whether I mentioned I turned it over to God. Unless I missed something in what you said, I can't remember you once putting God into the equation as it relates to the flu or shots so I put it in terms that more related to what you have been touting.

Well yes I do agree that God should be involved in this(and mentioned) but it's sort of touchy nowadays though if you say too much when speaking about vaccines,mask ect. because it strikes many as if they are being "shamed into..." things that's not your intention right?

Something else though since your last post(there's more information) and not as if I'm intending any shame but you said in post #3851 that you literally worked face to face with an co worker and without an mask,,,then you said he ended up going to the hospital. Then you said that you also interacted with his wife and children and they got it also.. Do you think you could be asymptomatic and that they caught it from you? Again not that I intend the question as shaming but you must realize that a lot of people could have thought this based on what you said right?

 

[Handyman62]

Well yes I do agree that God should be involved in this(and mentioned) but it's sort of touchy nowadays though if you say too much when speaking about vaccines,mask ect. because it strikes many as if they are being "shamed into..." things that's not your intention right?

Something else though since your last post(there's more information) and not as if I'm intending any shame but you said in post #3851 that you literally worked face to face with an co worker and without an mask,,,then you said he ended up going to the hospital. Then you said that you also interacted with his wife and children and they got it also.. Do you think you could be asymptomatic and that they caught it from you? Again not that I intend the question as shaming but you must realize that a lot of people could have thought this based on what you said right?

Asymptomatic? Don't know don't care. It's all in Gods hands.

 

[iamsoandso]

Asymptomatic? Don't know don't care. It's all in Gods hands.

OK, I do believe in putting things in Gods hands but please bare in mind that you can be asymptomatic with both C-19 and the Flu https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/keyfacts.htm and so you could be spreading either of the two and the only way you would know is if those around you are coming down with it.

 

[Handyman62]

OK, I do believe in putting things in Gods hands but please bare in mind that you can be asymptomatic with both C-19 and the Flu https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/keyfacts.htm and so you could be spreading either of the two and the only way you would know is if those around you are coming down with it.

By calling me a potential covid spreader aren't you really calling God the potential covid spreader? After all I put it in Gods hands.

 

[iamsoandso]

By calling me a potential covid spreader aren't you really calling God the potential covid spreader? After all I put it in Gods hands.

I went to great length to explain to you I did not mean it shamefully, I just wondered if you had considered the option.

 

[ZNP]

So do the Christian thing and explain to us how being cautious with companies who have been known to lie and put profit over people's health, how that caution is somehow considered blasphemous? Are you part of Hochul's sect of worshipping the sorcerers who cook up these bioweapons?

[Just to refresh your memory: Post #3832 the antivaxxers are definitely in spiritual trouble with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit]

@JohnDB still waiting?