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A Pope is only infallible in two situations:
A. If he gives a teaching on morality or faith when dealing with a new situation from an ex cathedra (meaning "from the seat") position. Case in point would be should a question about the internet or driving or some type of new technology brings up a question that is not fully understood or clear as to what the Church teaches, the Holy Spirit through the Pope can hand down an infallible teaching to answer that question. (This is called "Extraordinary Infallibility" which is only done through the Pope by the Holy Spirit.)
B. If the Pope quotes or cites an infallible teaching of the Magisterium or from Scripture. (This is called "Ordinary Infallibility" which can be claimed and done by any Christian.)
As for the Pope's point that evolution and the big bang theory are not entirely against Scripture, and that both theories inherently require God's existence. I don't disagree with him. In fact, he is only quoting Pope Pius XII and all Pope's since. Nothing new here.
A. If he gives a teaching on morality or faith when dealing with a new situation from an ex cathedra (meaning "from the seat") position. Case in point would be should a question about the internet or driving or some type of new technology brings up a question that is not fully understood or clear as to what the Church teaches, the Holy Spirit through the Pope can hand down an infallible teaching to answer that question. (This is called "Extraordinary Infallibility" which is only done through the Pope by the Holy Spirit.)
B. If the Pope quotes or cites an infallible teaching of the Magisterium or from Scripture. (This is called "Ordinary Infallibility" which can be claimed and done by any Christian.)
As for the Pope's point that evolution and the big bang theory are not entirely against Scripture, and that both theories inherently require God's existence. I don't disagree with him. In fact, he is only quoting Pope Pius XII and all Pope's since. Nothing new here.
J
Funny how you only respond to a small part of my post, if you can't answer the main idea of a post then why bother to answer?
I believe the Bible which states after the original sin of Eve and also Adam, the earth entered into a fallen state resulting in death and decay. Therefore evolution can not be biblical leaving young earth creationism as the only Biblical model.
Also, when you post that you agree with a person's ideals you are making your own opinion known.
I believe the Bible which states after the original sin of Eve and also Adam, the earth entered into a fallen state resulting in death and decay. Therefore evolution can not be biblical leaving young earth creationism as the only Biblical model.
Also, when you post that you agree with a person's ideals you are making your own opinion known.
Isn't the Pope jumping on a double-dead horse here? I mean, the real silver bullet to the brain is that E and BB doesn't mesh with the Word of God. But hasn't E and BB become obsolete with the modern scientific community as well? Don't the newly discovered mechanisms governing genetic data forbid all those silly 19th century notions like ascendance to higher life forms from lower ones beyond the intra-species level? Aren't they now looking for the alien farmer who planted us here?
For those who are Christians, without a first Adam, there can be no second Adam! So no need for Jesus Christ, because no Fall in Genesis 3, and sin entering the world.
"Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven." 1 Cor. 15:45-47
It is untenable to believe in evolution and believe in the purpose and coming of Jesus Christ. Theologically, in both Testaments, a short earth 6 day creation is the only explanation for origins!
I think too many people listen to faulty science, instead of reading their Bibles in this forum!
"Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven." 1 Cor. 15:45-47
It is untenable to believe in evolution and believe in the purpose and coming of Jesus Christ. Theologically, in both Testaments, a short earth 6 day creation is the only explanation for origins!
I think too many people listen to faulty science, instead of reading their Bibles in this forum!
J
Take your pick of the most commonly used versions, whichever translation is most easily understood in your inner man. Mainly for reading I choose the HCSB but vacillate through many modern translations, they do not contradict each other. In fact I find it faith building that word for word translations and thought for thought translations come to the same conclusion.
I'm assuming you are referring to translations like the NIV and NLT in your last sentence.
"The christian, then turns to the supernatural: God did it. It is a simple but utterly profound rationale. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and that sums it up. It does not rule out some kind of God directed evolution, neither does it give it any support."
The above is a statement about evolution in a NLT Bible discussed in these forums.
That seems like a reasonable statement to me, and along the lines of what the Pope said.
"The christian, then turns to the supernatural: God did it. It is a simple but utterly profound rationale. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and that sums it up. It does not rule out some kind of God directed evolution, neither does it give it any support."
The above is a statement about evolution in a NLT Bible discussed in these forums.
That seems like a reasonable statement to me, and along the lines of what the Pope said.
I'm mostly interested in what Christians thought. Like it says in the article: "During the early Church period, with some exceptions, most held a spherical view, for instance, Augustine, Jerome, and Ambrose to name a few.[SUP][66]"
[/SUP]Of course, you will always have those who will dismiss overwhelming scientific evidence if it is in conflict with their pre-conceived notions like the world is 6,000 years old.
[/SUP]Of course, you will always have those who will dismiss overwhelming scientific evidence if it is in conflict with their pre-conceived notions like the world is 6,000 years old.