Pope Francis: 'I may have only 2-3 years left'

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[h=1]Pope Francis: 'I may have only 2-3 years left'[/h]Francis also implied that if in poor health, he may retire earlier, as did his predecessor Benedict XVI
Pope Francis on Monday publicly broached the prospect of his own death for the first time, giving himself "two or three years" but not ruling out retirement before then.
Talking to reporters on a flight back to the Vatican from South Korea, the 77-year-old pontiff, who seemed in good spirits, was asked about his global popularity, which was evident again during his five-day visit.
"I see it as the generosity of the people of God. I try to think of my sins, my mistakes, not to become proud. Because I know it will last only a short time. Two or three years and then I'll be off to the Father's House," he replied light-heartedly.
The Argentine pope said he could handle the popularity "more naturally" these days, though at first it had "scared me a little".
While the pope has not spoken publicly before about when he might meet his maker, a Vatican source said he had previously told those close to him that he thought he only had a few years left.
Pope Francis also mentioned the possibility of retiring from the Papacy, as his predecessor Benedict XVI did last year, if he felt he could no longer adequately perform his duties.
Resigning the papacy was a possibility "even if it does not appeal to some theologians", he told reporters.
He added that 60 years ago it was practically unheard of for Catholic bishops to retire, but nowadays it was common.
"Benedict XVI opened a door," he said.
Francis admitted that he had "some nerve problems", which required treatment.
"Must treat them well, these nerves, give them mate (an Argentine stimulant tea) every day," he joked.
"One of these neuroses, is that I'm too much of a homebody," he added, recalling that the last time he'd taken a holiday outside of his native Argentina was "with the Jesuit community in 1975".
(AFP)
 

notuptome

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I can see why he would have some nerve problems. It must be an awesome thing to fall into the hands of an angry God. All the baggage the popes have would give anybody a case of the nerves.

An apostate knows the truth but will not believe the truth nor will he preach the truth. Like the Pharisees he will not enter nor will he allow others to enter. Binding heavy loads on others yet not lifting a finger himself.

For the cause of Christ
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What is a Pope and how much does it cost?
 

notuptome

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Your hatred is palpable.
I'm deeply hurt by your accusation. Well not really. A personal attack. One so laughable that it does not merit a response. You are behaving like a true hater. It's OK you have a lot of sacred cows to tend to.

I do not hate but I do love the Truth Who is the Truth.

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I'm deeply hurt by your accusation. Well not really. A personal attack. One so laughable that it does not merit a response. You are behaving like a true hater. It's OK you have a lot of sacred cows to tend to.

I do not hate but I do love the Truth Who is the Truth.

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Roger
You do hate. Read your own post about the man's nerve damage. And yet you accuse me? May God forgive you.
 
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Who are you to judge?
Good riddance? Is that Christian?

To accuse a man's nerve damage to an "angry God"...is that Christian?

No, it is hate. Simply because he is Pope, you believe you have the liberty to attack his physical frailty?
 

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You do hate. Read your own post about the man's nerve damage. And yet you accuse me? May God forgive you.
Christ already took care of the forgiven part.

How many verses shall I quote about God sending rottenness into the bones of those who were evil? Herod comes to mind being eaten by worms. That is creepy.

Your pride is injured so I'm going to give you a pass.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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I can see why he would have some nerve problems. It must be an awesome thing to fall into the hands of an angry God. All the baggage the popes have would give anybody a case of the nerves.

An apostate knows the truth but will not believe the truth nor will he preach the truth. Like the Pharisees he will not enter nor will he allow others to enter. Binding heavy loads on others yet not lifting a finger himself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
There are many things that I do not agree with the Catholic Church. However, it is a very ancient Church and they do have all the basic tenets of the Christian faith. The problem is that they add traditions to it. They uphold the trinity, deity of Christ, eternal punishment, etc.

Maybe you need to go after the one's who deny the trinity, believe in soul sleep, Sabbath keeping and deny the existence of hell as in eternal punishment and believe in annihilation.

You need to consider how old the man is. Once you are born you are technically dying. Saved and unsaved alike get diseases and have infirmities when they get older. Some more than others.

We are presently living in the age of grace. Not to say God does not punish but I wouldn't be speaking for God on that. God will also discipline those that belong to him so calamity doesn't necessarily mean that the person is not saved and being stricken by God.
 

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Good riddance? Is that Christian?

To accuse a man's nerve damage to an "angry God"...is that Christian?

No, it is hate. Simply because he is Pope, you believe you have the liberty to attack his physical frailty?
It's the internet which is full of experts as you well know. No one can speak for God unless they directly quote the Bible. Anything else is just their opinion.

And opinions are like????
 

notuptome

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There are many things that I do not agree with the Catholic Church. However, it is a very ancient Church and they do have all the basic tenets of the Christian faith. The problem is that they add traditions to it. They uphold the trinity, deity of Christ, eternal punishment, etc.

Maybe you need to go after the one's who deny the trinity, believe in soul sleep, Sabbath keeping and deny the existence of hell as in eternal punishment and believe in annihilation.

You need to consider how old the man is. Once you are born you are technically dying. Saved and unsaved alike get diseases and have infirmities when they get older. Some more than others.

We are presently living in the age of grace. Not to say God does not punish but I wouldn't be speaking for God on that. God will also discipline those that belong to him so calamity doesn't necessarily mean that the person is not saved and being stricken by God.
I would love for someone to provide some shred of evidence that one could use to consider the pope to be saved. In any of his writings did he ever give a hint that he was saved?

Scripture does say that to whom much is given much is required.

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I would love for someone to provide some shred of evidence that one could use to consider the pope to be saved. In any of his writings did he ever give a hint that he was saved?

Scripture does say that to whom much is given much is required.

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No. Scripture says that if you are a teacher you are held to a higher standard because you may lead those under you astray. It is a greater responsibility.

Like I said the Catholic Church holds to the basic tenets of the Christian faith even though they deviate with their traditions.

You can thank the Catholics for the Council of Nicaea and the Nicene Creed which debunked the heresies that really would be a threat to Christianity.

Everyone is saved the same way. Through faith in Christ. There are many on the internet, especially, that talk about things which they know nothing about. Opinions are not facts.
 

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I dont pay much attention to the pope, All I know is that he loved by everyone and is in a high position that makes him loved and seen as a man of God. I do however idk why get this creepy feeling every time I see him, and I remember how when the last pope stepped down and he took office the vatican was struck by lighting twice which I found odd.
 
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Good riddance? Is that Christian?

To accuse a man's nerve damage to an "angry God"...is that Christian?

No, it is hate. Simply because he is Pope, you believe you have the liberty to attack his physical frailty?
Who are you to judge? The Pope asked who is he to judge, as his excuse not to take a stand against sin. If you want to hitch a ride this Pope's wagon, who are you to judge me? Good riddance, and the sooner the better.

Wanting a bad leader gone isn't hate. And, if it is, so what?
 

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Who are you to judge? The Pope asked who is he to judge, as his excuse not to take a stand against sin. If you want to hitch a ride this Pope's wagon, who are you to judge me? Good riddance, and the sooner the better.

Wanting a bad leader gone isn't hate. And, if it is, so what?
Well, we are only human but Christ said to pray for your enemies. There are lots of pretenders that call themselves Christians but they are haters and backstabbers. Love is sincere. Christians are to love good and hate evil. But Christ also said that you are to love your enemies and pray for them. That is a hard pill for some to swallow but one can work towards this throughout their life.

I'd have to ask you based on previous posts and what you have stated here. Are you by any chance a Calvinist? It would seem so but I am just trying to confirm that. And if you are then you do realize that Calvinism is really fatalism which happens to be pagan in origin. Calvinism also has links to the Catholics since Calvin got some of his philosophies from Augustine.
 

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No. Scripture says that if you are a teacher you are held to a higher standard because you may lead those under you astray. It is a greater responsibility.
Luke 19:24
Like I said the Catholic Church holds to the basic tenets of the Christian faith even though they deviate with their traditions.
That was the source of constant conflict for the early church. The traditions of Judaism verses the grace of God. The two cannot mix. Either you have grace or you have tradition.
You can thank the Catholics for the Council of Nicaea and the Nicene Creed which debunked the heresies that really would be a threat to Christianity.
I'll save my thanks for God if you don't mind. God may have used them for His purposes just like He did the heathen nations around Israel.
Everyone is saved the same way. Through faith in Christ. There are many on the internet, especially, that talk about things which they know nothing about. Opinions are not facts.
True but it is by grace we are saved and that through faith. Faith that comes from hearing and hearing the word of God. Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Luke 19:24 That was the source of constant conflict for the early church. The traditions of Judaism verses the grace of God. The two cannot mix. Either you have grace or you have tradition.
I'll save my thanks for God if you don't mind. God may have used them for His purposes just like He did the heathen nations around Israel.
True but it is by grace we are saved and that through faith. Faith that comes from hearing and hearing the word of God. Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Isn't Luke 19 talking about fruitfulness? I don't think it is talking about leadership and responsibility. I was referring to this verse.

[h=1]James 3:1New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]Taming the Tongue[/h]3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.


The Catholic Church didn't exist until Constantine. The early Church was not Catholic but actually the word Catholic meant universal and not what it means today as in referring to only the Catholic Church.

Judaism is the law even though they added traditions to it. The Catholic Church added traditions that have nothing to do with Judaism. There are things they do that also the Orthodox Church does that is under a tradition and has no scriptural support for. The rosary, Mary and dead saints as intercessors, transubstantiation, veneration of dead saints including supposed preservation of dead bodies in coffins on display, relics, etc.

The Council of Nicaea was very important and you, at least, should give credit where credit is due. I wouldn't go as far to say that Catholics are heathens. I wouldn't go so far as to say every single Catholic is not saved either. It would depend if they understand the Gospel of Christ and have faith in him for their salvation.

Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit? That sounds like Calvinism to me. Faith has to do with your heart and you believing the gospel. It is the Gospel of Christ that saves and the Holy Spirit that convicts one of sin and then the need to repent and believe on Christ for your salvation. And faith is more than just mere belief. It is trusting. Putting your trust in Christ to save you. 100 percent trust in Christ and 0 percent trust in yourself. It is Christ that saves you. You cannot save yourself and no particular denomination can save you either.

[h=1]Romans 10:16-18New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]16 [/SUP]But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.”[SUP][b]


[/SUP][h=1]Romans 10:9-11New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]9 [/SUP]If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[SUP][a]
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Christ also said that you are to love your enemies
Is the Pope my enemy? Did Christ also say that we are to love His enemies? Did Christ also say we are not to want bad leaders to be replaced with good leaders? Did Christ never use hyperbole?

I find it to be completely compatible with Christ's teachings to want the current Pople out of office. Indeed, Christian values requires it.

Are you by any chance a Calvinist? It would seem so but I am just trying to confirm that. And if you are then you do realize that Calvinism is really fatalism which happens to be pagan in origin.
Yes, I am a Calvinist. If I weren't, I'd feel guilty for not praying for the Pope's assassination, because souls would be on the line.