President Trump's Position on Gay Marriage

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Truth7t7

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Trump totally supports gay marriage. I heard him comment on that on The Apprentice, before he had a legitimate shot politically, and before he decided to be the darling of the "Christian" right. Probably around 2010. I wish I had the actual clips (not that it matters-- nothing on this forum will change anyone's mind). Basically he said:. if you want to be gay, that is your business. You can marry a man or woman, you can marry a tree for all he cares. One person likes steak, another person likes Chinese food.

I will probably get butchered on the internet for not having any sources, but so what. I saw it, and I will share it. I'm allowed to do that.
President Trump Is A Republican, The Party Platform Is, Marriage Is Solely Between A (Man And A Woman), That Hasn't Changed.

CNN Politics

BRENTWOOD, New Hampshire – Jim Morgan is a Republican who runs a semiconductor company, serves on his town council and supports President Donald Trump’s reelection. He’s also gay.
And this year, he’s on a crusade: trying to persuade his fellow New Hampshire Republicans to remove the language in the state’s party platform that defines marriage as solely between a man and a woman.
 

Dude653

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I would agree with that but didn't you say you are not voting? anyway, I do not vote because I am not American or I would vote for Trump

even if I didn't care for him I would still vote for him if I could

IMO Biden is nothing but a front for what is working up the ranks behind him...people are calling him a Trojan horse

well whatever
the problem is I don't want to vote for Trump because I think he's a window licking moron and I don't want to vote for Joe Biden because he has a history of supporting racist legislation
 
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the problem is I don't want to vote for Trump because I think he's a window licking moron and I don't want to vote for Joe Biden because he has a history of supporting racist legislation

he is a very successful window licking moron though

Biden is a disgusting old man and before that he was a disgusting young man
 

soggykitten

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The transgender ban is not really a ban; they are not discharged from the military. It is more of a don't ask, don't tell; they can still serve but in the gender they were born.

March 2019 - Odd when a Google search for the terms, transgender ban military, results in this page below being identified as from four days ago. Ah Google.
Transgender Troops: New Limitations Approved By US Pentagon
Personnel with gender dysphoria will no longer be allowed medical surgeries for transitioning once the policy comes into effect in April.



July 8 2020 Military Times

Pentagon & Congress
House Democrats call on military to end ban on transgender service
https://www.militarytimes.com/newsl...n-military-to-end-ban-on-transgender-service/
The June 15 Supreme Court decision states that “an individual’s homosexuality or transgender status is not relevant to employment decisions.”
Under the new DoD rules put in place in March, 2019, currently serving transgender troops and anyone who has signed an enlistment contract by April 12, 2019, may continue with plans for hormone treatments and gender transition if they have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
But after that date, no one with gender dysphoria who is taking hormones or has transitioned to another gender was allowed to enlist. And any currently serving troops diagnosed with gender dysphoria after April 12, 2019, had to serve in their birth gender and are barred from taking hormones or getting transition surgery.
 

soggykitten

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the problem is I don't want to vote for Trump because I think he's a window licking moron and I don't want to vote for Joe Biden because he has a history of supporting racist legislation
window licking moron. What are you, six?
This is why I think it is always a mistake to allow unbelievers any access much less full access in any Christian community. The troll god is bored and hungry for attention.
 

soggykitten

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What is President Trump's view on gay marriage? I do not think he has strong beliefs on social issues. His goals for this country relate more to economic and miltary power.

See Eric Trump's tweet of Richard Grenell's video:
The absurd claim that Trump is the ‘most pro-gay president in American history’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...p-is-most-pro-gay-president-american-history/

By
Glenn Kessler
August 24, 2020 at 3:00 a.m. EDT
“President Trump is the most pro-gay president in American history. I can prove it.”
— Richard Grenell, former acting director of national intelligence, in a video released by the Log Cabin Republicans, Aug. 19, 2020

Grenell is a longtime spinmeister who under President Trump became a controversial ambassador to Germany. (The influential Der Spiegel magazine described him as “politically isolated” after he was accused of interfering in domestic politics.) He was briefly the acting director of national intelligence and now advises the Republican National Committee.
He makes the provocative claim that Trump — whose administration is often criticized by gay rights advocates as anti-gay — is actually the most pro-gay president in U.S. history. But the core of the video is actually a lengthy attack on Joe Biden, the Democratic presidential nominee, as anti-gay.
The video is a stew of misleading timelines, out-of-context quotes and claims easily debunked. Let’s take a tour through it.
“As a United States senator, Joe Biden said gay people couldn’t receive security clearances because we would be a security risk. Joe must have been terrified when Donald Trump appointed me as acting director of national intelligence.”
This is a ridiculous leap in the timelines. The first sentence refers to a comment made by Biden as a newly elected senator in 1973, nearly half a century ago. He was asked during a neighborhood meeting about anti-gay civil service regulations. “My gut reaction is that they are security risks, but I must admit I have not given this much thought,” he responded. “I’ll be darned!” (Note that while Grenell asserts that Biden spoke about security clearances, the question was about civil service regulations.)
Obviously, it was different era — Grenell was only 7 when Biden made the offhand remark — but Grenell asserts that Biden, now regarded as a champion of gay rights, would have been “terrified” when Grenell was named to the DNI post this year because Grenell is gay. That’s absurd.
“Joe Biden certainly didn’t congratulate the appointment or even acknowledge it, but his silence was deafening.”
Grenell portrays his three-month, temporary Cabinet-level appointment as a signature moment in the gay rights movement. But it was also highly controversial, even among Republicans, given that Grenell was considered a hyperpartisan GOP operative who had little experience in intelligence matters. “As one of the four authors of the law that created the DNI back in 2004, I care deeply about that position and believe the person needs experience in the intelligence community, which regrettably Ambassador Grenell does not have,” Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said after Trump appointed Grenell.
“Joe Biden has attacked the LGBT community. As a U.S. senator, Biden supported ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ and the Defense of Marriage Act. … Biden said again and again that he was against marriage equality.”
Again, Grenell mixes up timelines and facts to confuse viewers. The “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy was a Clinton administration rule adopted in 1993. Bill Clinton had hoped to lift a ban on gays in the military but was forced by Congress to accept a weak compromise under which military applicants were not asked about sexual orientation but still could be kicked out of the military if they were discovered to be gay. Biden was one of 33 senators who opposed inserting the compromise language in a must-pass defense bill and instead wanted to allow the president to set the policy. When that amendment failed, he still voted for the overall bill.
Ultimately, of course, it was the Obama-Biden administration that repealed the policy in 2010. Funny that Grenell does not mention this.
The Defense of Marriage Act of 1996, signed by Clinton, defined marriage as being between a man and a woman; Biden was one of 85 senators who voted for it. Again, it was different era, and like many Americans, Biden changed his views. Although Grenell says Biden was against marriage equality, Biden famously declared in 2012 he supported same-sex marriage before even Barack Obama.
The Washington Blade, which covers the LGBT community, noted in 2019 that Biden “fundamentally altered the course of the marriage equality movement” with his statement. “Biden had just come out for marriage equality at a time when same-sex couples could marry in just six states and D.C. and then-President Barack Obama was still in the middle of a years-long evolution on same-sex marriage.” Biden in 2017 officiated a same-sex wedding.
“Now that we’ve made progress, Joe Biden has changed his mind.”
Notice Grenell’s sleight of hand here? He suggests Biden switched on same-sex marriage only because others had already done so. Instead, Biden was the highest-ranking official at the time to endorse same-sex marriage when few others had done so. Earlier, between 2000 and 2009, Biden had voted to block constitutional amendments to ban same-sex marriage, co-sponsored bills that would have prohibited employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and was an original co-sponsor of the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, later signed into law by Obama. (Shepard’s parents spoke at this month’s Democratic National Convention.)
 

soggykitten

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"Biden voted to cut off federal funds to any school that teaches acceptance of homosexuality.”
In 1994, Biden did vote for a measure that cut funds if a school promoted homosexuality “as a positive life style alternative.” It had been proposed by two Republican senators, Robert C. Smith of New Hampshire and Jesse Helms of North Carolina. But Biden also voted for an amendment, sponsored by Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), that blunted the impact of the Smith-Helms measure by denying federal funds to schools that promoted any sexual activity, homosexual or heterosexual.
“Donald Trump is the first president in American history to be pro-gay marriage from his first day in office.”
This is a silly assertion. Trump was also the first president elected after the Supreme Court in 2015 made same-sex marriage legal across the country. It again ignores Biden’s significant role in the marriage-equality debate.
“President Trump fully supported our fight to crush the homophobic and barbaric Islamic terrorist organization Hezbollah and the Iranian regime that supports them. While President Trump was denying the homophobic regime money, the Obama-Biden team was giving them billions of dollars.”
Here Grenell suggests policy toward Iran is based on Tehran’s anti-homosexual policies when nothing could be further from the truth; it’s mostly about Iran’s nuclear program. Trump has sought to dismantle the nuclear accord reached by Obama but has made no progress in reaching a new agreement. We have explained many times what Iran received under the accord was Iranian money frozen in overseas accounts; Obama did not “give” its leaders billions of dollars because it was always Iran’s money.
“President Trump began a historic campaign to decriminalize homosexuality around the globe at the United Nations, where he publicly challenged the 69 countries who make being gay a crime to change their laws. … Gay people don’t have to vote Democrat because Donald Trump is the most pro-gay president in American history.”
After all the disingenuous attacks on Biden, the only policy Grenell cites to back his claim that Trump is the most pro-gay president is a campaign at the U.N. to urge other countries to stop making homosexuality a crime. He also asks, “Why did Joe Biden fail to make this issue a priority in his more than 40 years in Washington?”
Apparently, it wasn’t much of a priority for Trump. Grenell personally announced the policy in 2019, but Trump initially told reporters he didn’t know much about it. When he was asked why he was undertaking the policy, Trump replied: “I don’t know, uh, which report you’re talking about. We have many reports.” Meanwhile, a State Department spokesman described the policy as “long-standing,” “bipartisan” and “really is not a big policy departure.”
Indeed, Obama in 2011 issued a presidential memorandum making support for gay rights a foreign policy priority. “The struggle to end discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) persons is a global challenge, and one that is central to the United States commitment to promoting human rights,” Obama said. While Trump eventually brought up the push to stop criminalizing homosexuality in a speech before the U.N. General Assembly, Obama had already made similar remarks in the same forum.
Obama also appointed a special envoy for LGBT and intersex rights in the State Department in 2015. Trump has let the position go unfilled since 2017.
Meanwhile, there are many Trump administration policies that are regarded as anti-gay. Here’s a sampling:
  • Trump signed a law that undercut Obama’s anti-discriminatory protections for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer contractors.
  • The Trump Justice Department argued a major federal civil rights law does not protect employees from discrimination based on sexual orientation, again taking a stand against a decision reached under Obama.
  • The Trump administration took a number of steps undercutting rights for transgender Americans, including a ban on transgender troops, removal of anti-discriminatory protections and adopting a regulation that defines gender as a person’s biological sex.
  • The Trump State Department is even appealing a federal judge’s decision that it must recognize the U.S. citizenship of a young girl born via surrogate to a gay couple. Though the couple is legally married, the State Department claims because the daughter was born in Canada to a surrogate, she is “born out of wedlock” and not entitled to birthright citizenship.
With that record under Trump, it’s little wonder Biden has won the support of major gay rights groups, such as the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).
“Plain and simple, Donald Trump has attacked LGBTQ people because of who we are and whom we love,” Lucas Acosta, HRC national press secretary, said in a statement to The Fact Checker. “His administration has sought to allow discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity in health care, in employment and foster care, in schools, and even in housing. It’s unconscionable, insidious, and offensive for anyone to call this administration ‘pro-LGBTQ’ when the president, vice president, and those who work for them, have endeavored to systematically roll back our rights and deny us our dignity. The 11 million LGBTQ voters and 57 million voters who prioritize equality when casting their vote are not going to fall for the Trump campaign’s latest attempt to gas light the American public.”
The Advocate, an LGBT-interest magazine, said it gave Biden an “enthusiastic” endorsement because “Biden is running on the most pro-LGBTQ+ platform of any major-party nominee in the history of the United States.” The endorsement discusses some of the votes cited by Grenell but says they must be viewed in context. “You can not have had a career in politics as long as Biden without evolving on a lot of issues along with broader society,” the Advocate wrote.
We sought a comment from a spokesman for the Log Cabin Republicans, which bills itself as “the nation’s original and largest organization representing LGBT conservatives and straight allies” but did not receive a response.
The Pinocchio Test
Grenell manages to both significantly mislead about Biden’s record and oversell Trump’s. Biden’s positions evolved over the years, but often he was ahead of the general public or other politicians in recognizing gay rights or seeking to thwart discrimination against gay people. Grenell pretends comments from a half-century ago are relevant today.
As for Trump, the only items Grenell can cite in support of his supposedly pro-gay record concern Grenell’s own temporary appointment and a policy announced by Grenell that Trump apparently knew little about. (We’re still not sure why Iran policy gets mentioned as a pro-gay issue.) That’s pretty thin gruel on which to claim Trump is the most pro-gay president in history, especially when Trump has worked actively to undermine protections for the LGBT community that were enacted under Obama.
Trump is pro-Grenell, but that doesn’t mean his administration is pro-gay. Grenell earns Four Pinocchios.
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Billyd

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Just remember. All politicians say what their supporters want them to say, when they want them to say it.
 

tourist

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I don't think Trump is nearly as conservative as he pretends to be. I think he just jumped on that bandwagon because he knew smooching the hineys of the religious right would win him the presidency
Donald Trump is an excellent businessman who can get things done and is also a superb entertainer. Biden, even when reading from a prepared script cannot get through a single sentence without jumbling it up. No wonder there are Dems telling him to not to debate Trump. He is going to totally embarrass himself. Kind of sad really. The debates, if they take place will probably be too painful to watch. I feel bad for Biden but I certainly do not want him to be elected president.
 

soggykitten

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Just remember. All politicians say what their supporters want them to say, when they want them to say it.
Except Trump isn't a politician. He's a successful billionaire businessman who's running a business as it needs to be run. And for a very long time.
 

soggykitten

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Donald Trump is an excellent businessman who can get things done and is also a superb entertainer. Biden, even when reading from a prepared script cannot get through a single sentence without jumbling it up. No wonder there are Dems telling him to not to debate Trump. He is going to totally embarrass himself. Kind of sad really. The debates, if they take place will probably be too painful to watch. I feel bad for Biden but I certainly do not want him to be elected president.
I pray everyday that someone loves JB enough to get him out of this race. The stress is going to be too much eventually. And the election is nearly three months away and he's getting worse with his lapses. It breaks my heart. He should be home and taken care of.
He's suffered two brain aneurysms that the public is aware of. Only God knows if there were more. But two are quite enough. And those could have had an affect to the point we're seeing now in his lack of coherency. I have friends who are afraid he'll have a stroke under the pressure of not just a debate against Trump, but due to the incredibly hot lights that are in studio during the live broadcast.

The VP candidate debate launches first and next month in Salt Lake. I have a feeling Pence is going to wipe the floor with Harris. And Harris, because she won't be able to help herself, as we saw during the debates when she was a hopeful candidate for President, will resort to the low road when she becomes totally frustrated being outmatched.

If it is proforma as was the 2016 debate on the Democratic side, Harris will have been given the questions prior to the debate, which is against the rules. And she'll have an earbud so that she can receive help off camera. Just as HRC was.

The Democrats are so desperate still that it stands to reason they'll always play dirty. As they have proven these last four years.
 

Dude653

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window licking moron. What are you, six?
This is why I think it is always a mistake to allow unbelievers any access much less full access in any Christian community. The troll god is bored and hungry for attention.
actually my biggest grievance with Trump is how he had the nerve to talk trash about a Vietnam vet while being a draft dodger himself
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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You're right. Ideally Trump should have stood up against same-sex marriage, but it is now a lost cause. America is in danger of being destroyed, and that is where his focus should be. And national security should have translated into action in American cities being devastated by domestic terrorists.
Why haven't the local authorities of those cities & states stepped in to clean things up properly?
 
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actually my biggest grievance with Trump is how he had the nerve to talk trash about a Vietnam vet while being a draft dodger himself
I couldn’t agree more. Every day our veterans are going through hell and too many people don’t care about them. The president should lift the veterans up instead of trashing them.

I’ll urge everyone to say a prayer for the veterans. And thanks a ton, @Dude653, for posting this.

Please support a veteran organization today👍.
 

Absolutely

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Why haven't the local authorities of those cities & states stepped in to clean things up properly?
It is in saul alenskis book.

This entire deal with blm,antifa,covid,riots,racism masquerading as revenge,and of course the Russian colusion,open borders to flood the country....all intended for one purpose ...to remove trump and win by default.

Only the decieved see and believe the opposite.

Trump underwent a major adjustment. He was neutral on israel at first. Then he saw that Israel is key to God and America.

Trump got a Spiritual awakening. That is key to a proper leader.
 

Absolutely

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Btw
Obama's political career was launched in the living room of bill Ayers who is practically a copy of alenski.
Hillary also used alenskis book.

In the preface it is dedicated to lucifer.

The democratic party is without a doubt luciferian.

It is,if empowered in Nov (Jan 2021) the end of life as we know it.

Get ready....Jesus is coming soon

Being ready is intimacy.
That is how you get ready.
 
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lenna

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Just remember. All politicians say what their supporters want them to say, when they want them to say it.
Trump: promises made, promises kept

in spite of almost CONSTANT attempts to get rid of him and insert someone more along the lines of Killary or now it's la madame from CA

the left has taken the concept of 'opposition' party way too far