Proof Gay/Lesbian Relations Are Making Us OK With Pedophilia?

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zone

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One, the bible speaks directly to man on man sexual activities to extend that to heterosexual relationships as a banned activity is a personal choice/interpretation. As far as would i want to marry a virgin? at this point in my life no. I lost mine back in sophomore year of high school years before I even started going to church. and at this point in my life, ive ecepted most women of the age range i like arent virgins either. Besides i want someone with some experience due to mostly my on various opinions on sex and activities in marriage.
 

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cute but highly unconstructive. Not sure what a bad jim carrey character has to do with my opinions of any future wife.
constructive?
what u want me to say?

One, the bible speaks directly to man on man sexual activities to extend that to heterosexual relationships as a banned activity is a personal choice/interpretation. As far as would i want to marry a virgin? at this point in my life no. I lost mine back in sophomore year of high school years before I even started going to church. and at this point in my life, ive ecepted most women of the age range i like arent virgins either. Besides i want someone with some experience due to mostly my on various opinions on sex and activities in marriage.
since you have posted lots on your opinion on sex activities, i suppose someone experienced would be in line with that.
no introducing your virgin wife to your preferences?

oh....n.m.
i don't want to know.
 

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constructive?
what u want me to say?



since you have posted lots on your opinion on sex activities, i suppose someone experienced would be in line with that.
no introducing your virgin wife to your preferences?

oh....n.m.
i don't want to know.
I wouldnt mind a virgin, but it would depend on how she had been raised. And yes sexual compatibility is something most couples should talk about before they get married in order to ensure both remain sexually satisfied in a marriage and are not missing out on something they want which may lead to cheating in the future. Hence my plan to have a conversation about it among many other things before I marry someone.
 
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I would say an unmarried person in general (biblical marriage that is between a Christian husband and wife) is problematic and sinful
 

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this is a interesting thread....I work with people who are gay or lesbian...they would never think about hurting a kid in anyway...these accusations are horrid.
 
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this is a interesting thread....I work with people who are gay or lesbian...they would never think about hurting a kid in anyway...these accusations are horrid.
Brian Claypool, a lawyer in the Miramonte Elementary child abuse case, alleges a 13-year-old special needs student was assaulted and sodomized by an eighth-grade student at the Barack Obama Global Preparation Academy at 1700 W. 46th Street in South Los Angeles.

Hmm the url doesn't want to save correctly..

Attorney To Sue LAUSD Over Alleged Student-On-Student Sexual Assault
 
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How An Alleged Rape Involving Ohio High School Football Players Unfolded On Twitter, Instagram, And YouTube

Everything You Need To Know About The Steubenville Rape Trial | ThinkProgress

How is this case different from the case of the link? Their attorneys argued consent, or to drop the charges because this could affect the boys future.

And the links indicating a teacher had a lesbian relationship with a 14 year old girl/student (which, the charges WERE not dropped btw).... how are these different;

Grand Rapids teacher accused of having sex with 2 students | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
Ex-Texas teacher guilty of having sex with 5 of her students
New Jersey teacher charged with having sexual relationship with student | 7online.com

1) yes, there will always be "sick" people in this world...pedophiles, rapists, pervs....we have even experienced this on cc. This behavior should never be expanded to everyone (one person rapes another, not everyone will rape nor should we ever, ever endorse this behavior in ANY way), (Sandusky rapes boys, THIS DOESNOT MEAN all lgbtq does the same thing) Any inappropriate action with a minor will never be "ok" Their lawyers will try and get them off, but that is what they are paid to do. In all of these cases, none of these people got off....and rightly so.
 
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Although homosexual political propaganda has been around for many decades, the current political campaign started in 1989 with a very popular book within the homosexual community called: “After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s” by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, both homosexual community leaders and both Harvard trained mass public persuasion and media manipulation tactic experts.

This very popular book within the homosexual community argues that homosexual agenda activists should implement an organized hate filled propaganda campaign to force public opinion to accept homosexuality and obtain special rights, benefits, and privileges solely for their chosen sexual behavior. Their rationalization for launching such a hatefull, intolerant campaign is that people who do not agree with them are “bigots, haters, or ignorants”, and therefore activists can and should justifiably employ any hate filled tactic possible, including mass deceit, lying, slander, maliciousness, intimidation, violence, terrorism, child recruitment, Civil Rights violations, etc... to achieve their goal.

Although many homosexual activists did initially condemn this approach, most eventually aligned after seeing the strategy work so successfully. The following are exerpts taken from “After The Ball." Read them and think for a moment if any of them sound familiar, and from whom.

1) The homosexual agenda can succeed by conversion of the average Americans emotions, mind, and will, through, a planned psychological attack in the form of propaganda to the nation via media (page 153);

2) “Propaganda relies more upon emotional manipulation that upon logic, since its goal is to bring about public change” (page 162);

3) Propaganda can be unabashedly subjective and one-sided, there is nothing wrong with this (page 163);

4) Homosexual agenda can succeed by “desensitization” achieved by lowering the intensity of antigay emotional reactions to a level of sheer indifference (page 153);

5) Homosexual agenda can succeed by “jamming” and “confusing” adversaries, so as to block or counteract the “rewarding of prejudice” (page 153);

6) “Heterosexuals dislike homosexuals on fundamentally emotional, not intellectual grounds” (page 166)

7) “Desensitizing” is “our recipe” for converting “ambivalent skeptics”;

8) Make victimizers look bad by linking to Nazi horror while helping straights to see gays as victims and feel protective towards them (page 221);

9) The Nazi story of “pink triangle as a symbol of victimization” should be a sufficient opening wedge into the vilification of our enemies (page 190);

10) Show grisly victimization of gays and demand that readers identify themselves with either social tolerance or gruesome cruelty;

11) Discourage anti-gay harassment by linking and calling all those that have opposing opinions to latent homosexuality (i.e., call people homophobic) (page 227)

12) Jam people by pointing out that it’s inconsistent with the reader’s belief in the value of love between individuals (page 233);

13) AIDS epidemic should be exploited “to increase attention and sympathy” as “victimized minority.”(page xxv)

14) “We argue that for all practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been born gay, even though sexual orientation, for most humans, seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescence” (page 184);

15) “Muddy the moral waters”, that is, to undercut the rationalization that justify religious opposition… this entails publicizing support by moderate churches and raising serious theological objections” (page 179);

16) Portray opposing churches “as antiquated backwaters”, badly out of step with the time and with the latest findings of psychology (page 179);

17) Jam the self-righteous pride by linking to a disreputable hate group (page 235);

18) The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome (page 178);

19) All opposing disagreements to homosexual behavior is rooted in “Homophobia, Homohatred, and Prejudice” (page 112)

20) It is acceptible to call people “Homophobic” or “Homohaters” if they do not agree 100% with homosexual views, opinions, or behavior. (page xxiii)

21) A media campaign should portray only the most favorable side of gays (page 170);

22) Show others accepting gays and homosexuals (page 241);

23) Heterosexuals are like Aryans and people who are against homosexual behavior are “Nazis” and “Clansman”.

24) Homosexual persecution is identical to Jewish persecution (page 57, 62, );

25) Homosexual persecution is identical racial prejudice to Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics (inferring inborn) (page 62, 73);

26) All scientific/medical arguments to prevent 1973 APA/AMA removal from disorder list were rooted in cultural prejudice, medieval knowledge of science/medicine, and misinformation.

27) “Two-thirds of all boys” have rudimentary homosexual experiences (inferring most teenagers want to have homosexual sex) (page 44)

28) “Claim the vast majority” of homosexuals do not engage in compulsive high-risk sex (page 49)

29) American opposition is based solely on prejudiced, outdated, and hypocritical Victorian morals (page 51)

30) Claim all homosexually suicides are based entirely on societal rejection (page xv)

31) All sexual morality should be abolished (pages 64 to 67);

32) Homosexual civil rights are “explicitly set forth in the Bill of Rights”;

33) Health concerns for AIDS prevention are unwarranted (page 91)

34) Opposition to homosexual marriages is based on “family nostalgia” and “sexual guilt” based on religious/Victorian values (page 92)

35) Adoption agencies have been “placing kids with gay people for a long time,” as long as “you do not bring up” the fact that your gay;

36) “Claim kids in gay households ultimately receive better-than-average parenting” (page 97)

37) All speech that is opposing homosexual behavior should be banned under “clear and present danger to public order” (page 101)

38) All and any news or media coverage that is presents homosexual in negative form is prejudiced and invalid (page 54);

39) Everyone comes out must be prepped by a media campaign carefully crafted, repeatedly displayed mass-media images of gays (page 169);

40) “Gay activists have tried to manipulate the American judicial system.” Sometimes the tactic works: many executive orders (which side step the democratic process) and ordinances passed by city councils now protect certain rights (page 171);

41) “Employ images that desensitize, jam, and/or convert on an emotional level” (page 173);

42) “Gain access to the kinds of public media that would automatically confer legitimacy upon these messages and sponsors” (page 173);

43) “Ambivalent skeptics” are our most promising targets (page 176)…

44) Associate gay cause with “talk about racism, sexism, militarism, poverty, and all the conditions that oppress the unempowered.” (page 181)

45) Project gays as victims of circumstance and oppression, not as aggressive challengers (page 183);

46) “Mustachioed leather men, drag queens, and bull dykes” should not appear in gay commercials and other public presentations (until later after wide acceptance) (page 183);

47) Groups on the farthest margins of acceptability, such as NAMBLA, must play no part at all in the medioa campaign (page 184);

48) Gays should be portrayed as victims of prejudice…graphic pictures of brutalized gays, dramatizations of job and housing insecurity, loss of child custody, public humiliation… (page 185);

49) In time we see no reason why more and more diversity should not be introduced into the projected image (i.e., drag queens, pedophiles, etc.) (page 186);

50) Infer and speculate that famous historical figures were gay for two reasons: first, they are dead as a door nail, hence in no position to deny the truth and sue for libel; (page 188)

51) In TV and print, images of victimizers can be combined with those of their gay victims by a method propagandists call the “bracket technique” (page 190);

52) The media campaign will reach straights on an emotional level, casting gays as society’s victims and inviting straights to be their protectors (page 187);

53) We like television because it’s the most graphic and intrusive medium for our message (page 201)

54) Over the long-term, “television and magazines” are probably the media of choice (page 204);

55) Ads must manage to get the word gay into the headline or tagline (page 207);

56) Each message should tap public sentiment, patriotic, or otherwise, and drill an unimpeachable agreeable proposition into the mainstreams head (page 208);

57) Several years down the road, our tactics will have carved out, slice by slice, a large portion of access to mainstream media (page 213);

58) Associate and link gays to good causes and non-controversial activities (page 219);

59) The more people who appear to practice homosexuality, and the more innate it appears to be, the less abnormal and objectionable, and the more legitimate it will seem (which is why it is important to maintain claims to 10% of the population)(page 217)

60) Stage candid interviews with gays who appear as solid citizens. Subjects in commercials should be interviewed alone, not with their lovers (for now) (page 247);

61) Most people derive their impressions of the world through the national media (page 250);

62) It will be a sheer delight to besmirch our tormentors, we cannot waste our resources on revenge alone (page 189);

63) “Too many Americans share this mistrust of gay citizens” (page 55);

God loves homosexuals caught in the web of sexual addiction and God loves people who have been deceived by the devil.

He longs to free and heal all people.

But God doesn't love a strategy built on lies, deceit, manipulation, and exploitation. That's exactly what the homosexual agenda is.

 
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Misconceptions misconceptions
 

zone

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Although homosexual political propaganda has been around for many decades, the current political campaign started in 1989 with a very popular book within the homosexual community called: “After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s” by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, both homosexual community leaders and both Harvard trained mass public persuasion and media manipulation tactic experts.

This very popular book within the homosexual community argues that homosexual agenda activists should implement an organized hate filled propaganda campaign to force public opinion to accept homosexuality and obtain special rights, benefits, and privileges solely for their chosen sexual behavior. Their rationalization for launching such a hatefull, intolerant campaign is that people who do not agree with them are “bigots, haters, or ignorants”, and therefore activists can and should justifiably employ any hate filled tactic possible, including mass deceit, lying, slander, maliciousness, intimidation, violence, terrorism, child recruitment, Civil Rights violations, etc... to achieve their goal.

Although many homosexual activists did initially condemn this approach, most eventually aligned after seeing the strategy work so successfully. The following are exerpts taken from “After The Ball." Read them and think for a moment if any of them sound familiar, and from whom.
outstanding post.
informative, and you have drawn the right conclusion.
the usual suspects.

this method is pure Frankfurt School.
though they were just devising a sophisticated M.O. based on a much older program.

they (FS) said they won't stop until we (Christians/West) reach cannibalism and necrophilia.
do you doubt - short of Christ returning first - they will give up?

look at the success so far.
 
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outstanding post.
informative, and you have drawn the right conclusion.
the usual suspects.

this method is pure Frankfurt School.
though they were just devising a sophisticated M.O. based on a much older program.

they (FS) said they won't stop until we (Christians/West) reach cannibalism and necrophilia.
do you doubt - short of Christ returning first - they will give up?

look at the success so far.

Yeah the success, we've stopped hanging and burning them at the stake.
 
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Though I've found a good deal of bullying from both sides, please provide empirical evidence that Americans have hanged and burned homosexuals at the stake because I can't find a single incident of that occurring in the entire history of the United States. Waiting...

Yeah the success, we've stopped hanging and burning them at the stake.
 

zone

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Yeah the success, we've stopped hanging and burning them at the stake.
huh?
whatever grey.
tired of your obtuse posts on these matters.

LGBTI+whatevercomesnext(animals)? get whatever they want.

if they see sneers or revulsion on some ppl's faces or demeanor TOO STEAMING BAD.

we still have the right to be revolted by men dressed up like women. or whatever offends our sensibilities and morals.
i have the right to be offended.

STILL- i got an infraction for posting a woman in a bikini (Pamela Geller - my point was to use pictures to illustrate how far we have fallen in morality and values...but i broke the rules, so that's cool. sorry. won't happen again).

reckon its a hold-over from my print media days where you used pics to help make your point.

is it okay to post pics of men in bikinis - to illustrate the subject matter of this thread?:rolleyes:

just in case it isn't, i won't.

i'm sorry folks: this is offensive and repulsive to me - i'm allowed to be revolted:



Dude serious.
you're an ugly woman.
you're not a woman.
you're a man.

go away.
 
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Another fallacy perpetuated by the homosexual agenda is to call everyone that dissents from accepting it a fearful person (e.g. homophobe).

Clinical psychologists and research scientists explain that this is simply not true. Fear causes immediate physiological arousal, leading to elevated respiration and heart rate, and it inspires a flight reaction. Disgust, on the other hand, triggers a bi-phasic physiological reaction, with heart rate and respiration initially rising but plummeting shortly thereafter.

While fear causes a "get me away from that" reaction, disgust manifests as "get that away from me".

These emotional reactions are very different and, according to research scientists and clinical psychologists, not dependent.

This is why we are disgusted by homosexual acts and the behavior of homosexuals while not being afraid.

It's important to also note that one can love the person but despise the practice. We can love and forgive a thief, as Jesus certainly did on the cross, but not accept their thievery.
 
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Though I've found a good deal of bullying from both sides, please provide empirical evidence that Americans have hanged and burned homosexuals at the stake because I can't find a single incident of that occurring in the entire history of the United States. Waiting...
Have you heard of the puritans by any chance? Where you could.get flogged for adultery? Not just the U.S by the renaissance and back Christendom was rife with blood libel, witch burning, and of course at times death for sodomy or being homosexual.
 
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Yes, of course, I have heard of the tiny sect of Puritans that established a colony here. Even during the Great Migration of English Settlers 1620-1640 they were but a fraction of the 20,000 English that came to America with 7%-11% of them returning to England.

Please show me empirical evidence of homosexuals being hanged, burned at the stake, and executed by Americans. I cannot find a single incident of it occurring since America became a nation.

I was able to find empirical data that homosexuals are involved in sexual crimes against children at a far greater rate per population than heterosexuals. You can view that here:

http://www.ejssb.org/resources/ejssb_CameronP_RapeAndMurder$5B1$5D.pdf

Frequency of committing a heinous crime – rape and murder of children -- was examined as one empirical test of this disagreement. For 1980-2005, 668 stories about the rape and murder of children (<18 yr.) in 50+ major newspapers in the USA, Australia, Great Britain, Canada, etc. indexed by Lexus-Nexus were found: 202 (30%) involved perpetrators who engaged in homosexual sex (35% of the 206 stories from 1980-1994; 28% of the 462 from 1995-2005). Males constituted 96% and boys (<18 yr.) 6% of the 714 perpetrators. The 209 perpetrators who engaged in homosexual sex accounted for 364 (40%) of the 914 victims – 53.5 (9%) of the 600 girls, and 310.5 (99%) of the 314 boys. About three-quarters of children victimized were <13 yr. In Britain, 30 (51%) of 59 stories involved homosexuality."

The empirical data clearly shows that homosexuals, though only constituting between 2%-4% of the general population, are responsible for an inordinate percentage of child rape and murder by rate.

Thanking you again in advance for your empirical data which so far is non-existent.


Have you heard of the puritans by any chance? Where you could.get flogged for adultery? Not just the U.S by the renaissance and back Christendom was rife with blood libel, witch burning, and of course at times death for sodomy or being homosexual.
 
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I was more refering to globally but I did recently hear of Mississippi having an openly gay politican murdered recently. But you don't care. I'm done.
 

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since we keep posting about this here is a strange thing to understand(for me at least),straight from the boy scouts page. Boy Scout Joining Requirements ,,,,,now here is a strange thing,or manner of teaching (1) a fifth grader,,,(2) at least 11 years old,(3) not over 18,,,,,,,

now i know this doesn't adress every question about homosexuality but,,,,,,,,in the united states if your child is under 18(a minor) you are responsible for any of your children's actions,by law. now an 11 year old,(should not have sexual relations with any one),,,nor a,5th,6th,7th,8th,9th,10th,11th,or 12th grader,,,strange morals right?,,that is that any government or private agency would give endorsement as to either homosexual or heterosexual activities to anyone between 11 and 18 years old,male or female.

now as for me (i have five son's),,,i cannot let them go into the boy scouts and go camping,why?,,,,,the same reason i would feel uncomfortable letting them go on a camping trip with the girl scouts and set up a tent and sleep overnight with the girl-scouts. see i think it's all about morals.

my oldest son,smoked drugs at the buss stop,got caught,i spanked him with a belt. he went to school and told the councilors. now a week or so later the principal called and set up a meeting with me and came to my house. he,me and my son set in my living room and he spoke for around an hour. he explained how the states position on corporal punishment was that they did not agree with it. he told me that the matter was referred to the c.p.s. but after their review there was no case to open because i did not abuse him,no marks/bruises were found(they stripped him and examined him at school),,and found that i only disciplined him by means allowable by law,so to them it was the end of the matter.

now the principle sat back in the chair and waited for me to set in on him with my arguments(he was ready),,,,and i instead of speaking to him,turned to my son and said,,,,,,,,,"now son that the state of Texas,has come to our house and explained their position on the matter,,,ask your principle about the law. ask him if i do not teach you right from wrong before you turn 18,,,if the same state/government that says they don't believe in corporal punishment will do a complete 180 degree turn and strap you down on a table and execute you by lethal injection",,,,,,

my son began to ask him,,he said,,"well it has been nice talking to you" and he grabbed his briefcase and stood up,,,i looked at my son and said "ask him again",,,,,and well he never answered,,,he told us goodby and left.,,,,,,,,,,

so here is the truth,,,,it is against the law to discriminate against homosexuals,,,,nut the government discriminates against them and refuses them the right to get married and draw benefits.,,,,see the double standard,you cannot but the government can??????

here is "freedom",,,you have freedom from god,,,but not the law. you can worship any god you like,but the law you must obey. you can give video games to your children where they shoot every one in the game,but you cannot pray to god in any government building. freedom,from who?,,,god,,,,you are free to watch filthy movies you get at red box. you are free to commit unnatural sex acts. you have freedom to commit adultery,,,,,,

you have the freedom to abort your children,,,you have freedom to have no man judge you,nor any god. you can pollute the waters,sky's and land,,,,you are free from judgment,you are free from god.,,,,,,,,,,,,,

ahh,,,,none responds to my post anyhow,,,,,,,you are free from god in your own minds,,,,,,i am not free,,,,,,,,,,
 
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Of course I care about murder. That's about the worst thing a person can do to another person. You're making a false assertion that I don't care when I do care.

Look, you made an assertion that homosexuals are being executed by Americans strictly for being homosexual at a material rate and all I've done is ask you for empirical proof while showing you an empirical data source revealing that homosexuals are responsible for an inordinate amount of rape and murder on innocent children.


I was more refering to globally but I did recently hear of Mississippi having an openly gay politican murdered recently. But you don't care. I'm done.