Russia outlaws homosexual indoctrination of children by adults.

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Being a recovering homosexual myself, I definitely feel that homosexuality is a psychosexual addiction. I thank God and Jesus Christ, the Living God, for reconfirming life within me, and an end to unnatural desires.
God Bless you Daniel.
 
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As Dr. Francis S. Collins, one of the world's leading scientists who works at the cutting edge of DNA and directed the mapping of the human genome concluded "there is an inescapable component of heritability to many human behavioral traits. For virtually none of them is heredity ever close to predictive. Yes, we have all been dealt a particular set of cards, and the cards will eventually be revealed. But how we play the hand is up to us."

"Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Concludes Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project
Scientist who study DNA are coming closer to learning how the mind affects DNA. The growth of cells are affected by environment, not hard wired to a growth pattern. As they follow this, some conclude that we can change our DNA, and some leave the scientific field and start cult like classes based on this. It is the subconscious mind that affects DNA, give them thousands of dollars and they can help you change it. (Php 4:8)
Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable--if there is any moral excellence and if there is any praise--dwell on these things.

And would everyone reading this post now send me a couple of thousand dollars for telling you this? Those scientist are getting paid for their classes about this.

We are changing our DNA. Just set a baby in front of the TV and let that be the baby sitter, their mind absorbs. We absorb as we go into that dream like state of being engrossed in what we are reading or watching. Our conscious mind is the filtering system, how much reaches our subconscious depends on the way each filters the information.

I think our world has gone beyond the point of legally regulating how our children are taught. It is up to the Christian and the individual. It is spiritual warfare.
 
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Brain plasticity is well documented. Interestingly; however, it's not inheritable. What I mean is that neuroplasticity changes in the brain due to sexual choices don't alter one's DNA and so aren't passed on to their children as a biologically inheritable trait.

Brain Plasticity: How Experience Changes the Brain

Beliefs, values, and cultural norms; however, certainly can be transmitted to others if they choose to accept them resulting in behavioral changes and neuroplasticity occurring which again will not affect the DNA resulting in a biological inheritance.


Scientist who study DNA are coming closer to learning how the mind affects DNA. The growth of cells are affected by environment, not hard wired to a growth pattern. As they follow this, some conclude that we can change our DNA, and some leave the scientific field and start cult like classes based on this. It is the subconscious mind that affects DNA, give them thousands of dollars and they can help you change it. (Php 4:8)
Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable--if there is any moral excellence and if there is any praise--dwell on these things.

And would everyone reading this post now send me a couple of thousand dollars for telling you this? Those scientist are getting paid for their classes about this.

We are changing our DNA. Just set a baby in front of the TV and let that be the baby sitter, their mind absorbs. We absorb as we go into that dream like state of being engrossed in what we are reading or watching. Our conscious mind is the filtering system, how much reaches our subconscious depends on the way each filters the information.

I think our world has gone beyond the point of legally regulating how our children are taught. It is up to the Christian and the individual. It is spiritual warfare.
 
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You already know the answer to that question is no simply because I've answered so many questions on Christian Chat already. So the real question is why would you ask such a dumb question when the answer is obviously no?
So when I asked just who was persecuting you and how…theanswer is “no, I’m not being persecuted?”


It is because you are trolling. And without a doubt, 37 years old is too old for you to be playing the well defined 'Clueless Newb' silly string questions troll game on Christian Chat.

Christen Chat has standards and so do I. So you are now on ignore with further behavior reported to the mods. Consider yourself 'outed.'
I didn’t know I was in

Sounds more like you don’t want to confront your own flawedreasoning
 
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Putin could care less about the gays, but he does understand that his power stems from the support from the Orthodox Church and its followers, so he'll do whatever he can to please his supporters.
 
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No problem terminallyCapricious but you need to understand that Christians have predispositions to all sorts of things that are immoral and ungodly just like non-Christians do.

The difference between them and you is that they have overcome or in the process of overcoming their immoral and ungodly predispositions in Christ while you abandoned Christ to indulge your own.

Your particular predisposition may not be what you think it is to begin with. I know a fair number of scientists and post doctorate university science researchers whom are Christian here where I live and they write a lot of popular but also peer-reviewed articles for scholarly magazines like Nature, for example. They also have their own personal websites. Here's a blog article from one of them addressing homosexuality and genetics: Are People Born Gay? Genetics and Homosexuality
Well let’s take a look at this:

A second study found that two of four Interstitial Nuclei of the Anterior Hypothalamus (INAH) were at least twice as large in males as females.[SUP]2[/SUP] Since the INAH was involved in sexual dimorphism, it was hypothesized by Simon LeVay that there might be differences in this region in heterosexual vs. homosexual men. Postmortem examination of the brains of AIDS patients vs. control male subjects (presumed to be heterosexual) showed that the presumably heterosexual men exhibited INAH3 that were twice the size of both females and presumably homosexual men who had died of AIDS.[SUP]3[/SUP] The study has been criticized for its uncertainty of sexual orientation of the subjects, and potential complications caused by the AIDS virus (which does infect the human brain), and also by lowered testosterone levels found in AIDS patients. A popularized Newsweek cover story, "Is This Child Gay?"[SUP]4[/SUP] characterized LeVay as a "champion for the genetic side," even though the study involved no genetic data at all.

this is a false statement on the part of theauthor. LeVay never made claims about genetics.
What he said was: “"Thisfinding indicates that INAH is dimorphic with sexual orientation, at least inmen, and suggests that sexual orientation has a biological substrate." LeVay S (1991).A difference in hypothalamic structure between homosexual and heterosexual men.Science, 253, 1034-1037
Later he made the statement:


"It’simportant to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic,or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men are born thatway, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did Ilocate a gay center in the brain. The INAH3 is less likely to be the sole gaynucleus of the brain than a part of a chain of nuclei engaged in men andwomen's sexual behavior." Discover Magazine

, March 1994




A study by Kendler et al. in 2000 examined 1,588 twins selected by a random survey of 50,000 households in the United States.[SUP]20[/SUP] The study found 3% of the population consisted of non-heterosexuals (homosexuals and bisexuals) and a genetic concordance rate of 32%, somewhat lower than than found in the Australian studies. The study lost statistical significance when twins were broken down into male and female pairs, because of the low rate (3%) of non-heterosexuals in the general U.S. population.
again not entirely true. Especially since the authors of the study conclude: Biometrical twin modeling suggested that sexual orientation was substantially influenced by genetic factors



Twin studies suffer from the problem of trying to distinguish between environmental and genetic factors, since twins tend to live within the same family unit. A study examining the effect of birth order on homosexual preference concluded, "The lack of relationship between the strength of the effect and degree of homosexual feelings in the men and women suggests the influence of birth order on homosexual feelings was not due to a biological, but a social process in the subjects studied."
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This study was rightly criticized because its subjects,specifically men and women who anonymously reportsome homosexual feelings none of whom identify as homosexual.



It’skind of tough to claim a study is about a group of people but doesn’t actuallyinclude any of that group.




I could go on but it seems pretty apparent that the author of this piece engaged in a good deal of quote mining to come to the conclusion he wanted.

 
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What's interesting here is Putin was a member of the KGB, an organization charged with the destruction of religion under the Soviet Union. His career before the fall of the Soviet Union consisted of working in a government organ that worked to destroy churches; ridicule, harass, imprison, torture, and execute Christian religious leaders and priests; remove children from Christian parents and place them in state run orphanages where they were indoctrinated with state atheism; and seek to infiltrate the Orthodox Church with spies for the purpose of destroying it. The total number of Christians killed, as a result of Soviet state atheist policies, exceeds 20 million people with hundreds of millions robbed, imprisoned, and severely persecuted.

Despite the severe pogrom, God held the church together and Christians watched the collapse of the state atheistic Soviet Union that had tried so hard to eradicate them from the face of the earth.

This impressed Putin greatly who had been secretly baptized by his mother as an infant (no I don't believe in infant baptism but the point here is that Putin was aware of his mother's Christian faith) and upon Putin’s ascendancy to the presidency of Russia, he confessed that he was converting to Christianity and reversing the policy of religious persecution in Russia.

Since then, Putin has long been a supporter of Christianity and Christian values within Russia. He has called for the Church to play a larger role in citizens' social lives, better religion classes in schools, and television programs emphasizing religious values, form sobriety groups, rebuild families, and even returning church property seized by the state back to their communities and awarding grants to rebuild churches destroyed under the Soviet Union.

A seeping Russian Christian revival has been the result. Military members who have converted to Christianity are holding Bible study and prayer meetings in a way the U.S. military used to do back in the 1950s and a wave of evangelism has swept Russia whose populace are moving away from the degeneracy overtaking the U.S..

Though this offends you, the Russian people endured great persecution praying hard for what is happening in Russia today and the vast majority of them couldn't be happier.

[video=youtube_share;u3d_yxJhmjk]http://youtu.be/u3d_yxJhmjk[/video]

Putin could care less about the gays, but he does understand that his power stems from the support from the Orthodox Church and its followers, so he'll do whatever he can to please his supporters.
 
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And the whole mafia thing is just sort of a hobby for him
 
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What's interesting here is Putin was a member of the KGB, an organization charged (and found guilty) with the destruction of religion under the Soviet Union. His career before the fall of the Soviet Union consisted of working in a government organ that worked to destroy churches; ridicule, harass, imprison, torture, and execute Christian religious leaders and priests; remove children from Christian parents and place them in state run orphanages where they were indoctrinated with state atheism; and seek to infiltrate the Orthodox Church with spies for the purpose of destroying it. The total number of Christians killed, as a result of Soviet state atheist policies, exceeds 20 million people with hundreds of millions robbed, imprisoned, and severely persecuted. (and jews and muslims, and all other religions of course orthodoxy was the majority)

Despite the severe pogrom, God held the church together and Christians watched the collapse of the state atheistic Soviet Union that had tried so hard to eradicate them from the face of the earth.

This impressed Putin greatly who had been secretly baptized by his mother as an infant and upon Putin’s ascendancy to the presidency of Russia, he confessed that he was converting to Christianity and reversing the policy of religious persecution in Russia (I wonder if it was because his supporters were orthodox?)

Since then, Putin has long been a supporter of Christianity and Christian values within Russia. He has called for the Church to play a larger role in citizens' social lives, better religion classes in schools, and television programs emphasizing religious values, form sobriety groups, rebuild families, and even returning church property seized by the state back to their communities and awarding grants to rebuild churches destroyed under the Soviet Union. (So going far past just reversing the pograms, literally putting religion back in state).

A seeping Russian Christian revival has been the result. Military members who have converted to Christianity are holding Bible study and prayer meetings in a way the U.S. military used to do back in the 1950s and a wave of evangelism has swept Russia whose populace are moving away from the degeneracy overtaking the U.S..

Though this offends you (Das Strawmanya comrade), the Russian people endured great persecution praying hard for what is happening in Russia today and the vast majority of them couldn't be happier(As evident by the country having the 13th highest suicide rate?). (Indeed they have endured persecution but theres more to this)
responses in the quote
 
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You're comments show that you're disconnected from what's happening in Russia and so making some false assertions based on your distorted understanding.

That's great you recognize religious freedom in Russia today extends to more than just Christians; however, the Church is supporting the current government because the current government has stopped persecuting it and is now helping it.

And the Church isn't a few orthodox religious leaders going against the will of the people as you appear to think but exactly the opposite. The Church has experienced rapid growth since the fall of the Soviet Union. It's grown so fast, in fact, that it's currently about half the population of Russia and trending upwards quickly. That number doesn't include those who support Christianity in Russia but haven't converted yet. Atheism has dropped to 13% of the population!

You have to understand that before 1991 you were in great danger of losing your career, having your wealth taken by the state, being imprisoned in a hard labor camp, and possibly murdered by the state simply for NOT being an atheist. That's an amazing turnaround in such a short period of time. The church enjoys the support of the vast amount of the Russian population today. They have been working hard since the collapse to turn things around.

And the suicide rate has dropped 50% since 1999 and continues to decline as a result.




Also noteworthy is how hard they've pulled together to reduce unemployment. Most people are still poor, of course, but at least they are working now and able to pay for all their essentials with a little something extra. Countries with growing economies and very low levels of unemployment don’t typically collapse and that's where Russia is today.

And as I stated in previous posts; Russia is laying plans to create a smart, moral, population of citizens for the next generation.
 
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Anyways, I'm moving on to address some other issues. But thanks for coming through [the distorting trollbullet excepted]. Peace.
 
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You're comments show that you're disconnected from what's happening in Russia and so making some false assertions based on your distorted understanding. (Right)

That's great you recognize religious freedom in Russia today extends to more than just Christians; however, the Church is supporting the current government because the current government has stopped persecuting it and is now helping it. (I wonder why Putin is now catering to them? Perhaps we'll learn more later)

And the Church isn't a few orthodox religious leaders going against the will of the people as you appear to think (Das Straymana Comrade!) but exactly the opposite. The Church has experienced rapid growth since the fall of the Soviet Union. It's grown so fast, in fact, that it's currently about half the population of Russia and trending upwards quickly. (I'm aware, I wonder why Putin is catering to them?????) That number doesn't include those who support Christianity in Russia but haven't converted yet. Atheism has dropped to 13% of the population!

You have to understand that before 1991 you were in great danger of losing your career, having your wealth taken by the state, being imprisoned in a hard labor camp, and possibly murdered by the state simply for NOT being an atheist. (It varied accordingly to the goverment, Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev had very different policies toward it) That's an amazing turnaround in such a short period of time. The church enjoys the support of the vast amount of the Russian population today. They have been working hard since the collapse to turn things around.

And the suicide rate has dropped 50% since 1999 and continues to decline as a result.




Also noteworthy is how hard they've pulled together to reduce unemployment (Like dropping and cutting pensions for disabled soviet veterans) . Most people are still poor, of course, but at least they are working now and able to pay for all their essentials with a little something extra. Countries with growing economies and very low levels of unemployment don’t typically collapse and that's where Russia is today.

And as I stated in previous posts; Russia is laying plans to create a smart, moral, population of citizens for the next generation. (With the exception of the government corruption of course)
once again in quotes
 
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Repeating your misunderstandings doesn't make them true Grey. All three, including Brezhnev, were regressive. Even left-leaning Wikipedia gets that right. And, the government increased both service pay and military pensions in 2012. Russia knows they have to retool their infrastructure and motivate and focus their population toward a quantifiable increase in education, innovation, invention, production, etc... and away from the West's escapism, degeneracy, and corruption that's sapping our strength and that's what they've set out to do. Chow.
 
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Repeating your misunderstandings doesn't make them true Grey. All three, including Brezhnev, were regressive (And yet there was still variation, under Khrushchev, you were still in danger, but far less so than under Stalins rule -- Hence Destalinization) . Even left-leaning Wikipedia gets that right. And, the government increased both service pay and military pensions in 2012 (A drop in the bucket compared to the U.S.S.R). Russia knows they have to retool their infrastructure and motivate and focus their population toward a quantifiable increase in education, innovation, invention, production, etc... and away from the West's escapism, degeneracy, and corruption (As evident by the mobocracy) that's sapping our strength and that's what they've set out to do. Chow.

You seem to think that I'm for an atheistic enforced state or something...
 
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No. I never said that. You're just allowing minor points (which are sometimes themselves distorted in your understanding) to distort your understanding of the big picture which you are failing to grasp largely because you never even acknowledge or accept the major points that comprise it. I don't think it's intentional but rather just where you're at presently.
 
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Of course not. With the collapse of Soviet Union totalitarianism, criminal elements which had been subjected arose out of the ashes with a new ferocity. The Russian mafia is a sliver of the Russian people just like all mafias are of their respective populations. I hope you don't believe the Italian mafia is comprised of most of the Italian population and that the President of Italy is the godfather! Neither is that the case in Russia though admittedly, it's closer to it than in Italy.

The Russian kleptocracy is comprised of many segments both inside government and outside of it. Putin's approach has been to consolidate the kleptocracy and use them to accomplish his ends while slowly weeding out the worst elements. This has been ongoing since his initial rise to power. His approach has been very pragmatic (consider that Russia's special service spy bureaucrats actually contract with criminal mafia groups to smuggle weapons to places like Syria for example).

But Putin has been launching some high level attacks on the Russian mafia the past couple of years and mafia murders and violence overall has declined greatly from their high in the 1990s directly after the Soviet collapse when an entire generation of Russian prisoners and mafia suddenly found themselves free from the iron boot of the Soviet Union and the world was their oyster:

I would say that Putin has been successful in eliminating most of the powerful older mafia leaders and replacing them with white-collar bureaucrats who sit on top of everything. Those who remain are much lower down the food chain today than they were in the 1990s. It's hard to imagine Putin being able to pull this off in the 1990's but he can today:

President Vladimir Putin declared war on russian mafia. | Europe Security News

Let's call it what it is: progress.


And the whole mafia thing is just sort of a hobby for him
 
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The Mafia, particularly the Russian one is expanding, recently its grown to around roughly 300,000 members, if they didn't help him, I wonder who ballot stuffed for his last election. The man is out for power that much is certain, whether it be political office jumping, or simply extending the presidential term limits.
 
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I think the term “gay lifestyle” is somewhere betweenmeaningless and laughable. It’s like talkingabout the black lifestyle or the blue-eyed lifestyle or the left-handedlifestyle.
I never understand this. Christians believe God is the ultimate authority. God defined homosexuality as sexual depravity and an abomination before the Lord, and yet people actually expect Christians to ignore God's stamp of disapproval on homosexuality as well as any other sin by simply calling corruption by other names, such as an alternate lifestyle or nothing more than a sexual orientation. What homosexuality is to true Christians is exactly how God defined it for us, and for us to change our perspective on this issue, God Himself would have to change His, and that just plain isn't going to happen. God doesn't change.
 
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The Mafia, particularly the Russian one is expanding, recently its grown to around roughly 300,000 members, if they didn't help him, I wonder who ballot stuffed for his last election. The man is out for power that much is certain, whether it be political office jumping, or simply extending the presidential term limits.
Well if Russia's all that corrupt and even they see the error of homosexual indoctrination of children by adults, where does that leave us that think we're so much less corrupt than they?
 
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Well if Russia's all that corrupt and even they see the error of homosexual indoctrination of children by adults, where does that leave us that think we're so much less corrupt than they?
Less corrupt? You know throughout the entirety of my state funded education, I was never told by any authority that being gay is okay, though several announcements were made to my schools sincerely asking those to avoid bullying others due to their orientation. I haven't seen much of your homosexual indoctrination in much of anywhere. In fact I saw a bit of the opposite (politically-wise).

Russia has also banned gay pride parades in Moscow, "for the next 100 years".