Ryan Walters wants taxpayers to buy Bibles for Oklahoma classrooms

[Mem]

My main problem was that it was incredibly restricted to only a very few Bibles (mainly that just about the only eligible Bible was the Trump endorsed Bible, which he makes money off of and I don't agree with using the Bible for political gain), but we've moved on from that as I have said for the 3rd time now...Oklahoma amended that request. Now, the Bibles don't have to be so restricted to only those very few that were previously requested.

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This issue can keep going around and around. One side is going to stick with their side and the other theirs. I've said what I said already about what I think about this issue.

Np, it was a weak attempt to triangulate your position on the issue in general, which I do not begrudge your every right to take whatever that may be. I will take that bibles are ok as long as they are not (just) the "Trump" bible, even though I don't know exactly what that is. To me, this sounds like great news progressing into great news, if it indeed is approved, regardless of who might think this is a stupid idea.

 

[ZNP]

Np, it was a weak attempt to triangulate your position on the issue in general, which I do not begrudge your every right to take whatever that may be. I will take that bibles are ok as long as they are not (just) the "Trump" bible, even though I don't know exactly what that is. To me, this sounds like great news progressing into great news, if it indeed is approved, regardless of who might think this is a stupid idea.

I agree that getting Bibles back into public school does sound like great news, but I suspect public education is doomed to failure. I think there is a variation on a homeschool where the homeschool operates out of the local church which will be the most successful model. With Khan academy, many excellent sites that teach a variety of subjects online, AI, and public libraries I would argue a home school can be far more successful than a public school and if 10% of the students did leave to be homeschooled the situation in the public schools would deteriorate to twice as bad as it is now.

 

[Mem]

I agree that getting Bibles back into public school does sound like great news, but I suspect public education is doomed to failure. I think there is a variation on a homeschool where the homeschool operates out of the local church which will be the most successful model. With Khan academy, many excellent sites that teach a variety of subjects online, AI, and public libraries I would argue a home school can be far more successful than a public school and if 10% of the students did leave to be homeschooled the situation in the public schools would deteriorate to twice as bad as it is now.

It isn't a coincidence that 'disciple' is the root of 'discipline,' and I suspect that is the primary reason for the failure in the system. It isn't easy to maintain a healthy balance, and everyone generally prefers the easy route.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Bibles were amongst the original textbooks in early American schools. And one of the reasons public education was begun was so young people could read the Bible.
Also, there is no separation of church and state in the US Constitution. The state is forbidden from involving itself in religion or imposing religious beliefs on citizens, but citizens are free to exercise their religion anywhere, anytime so long as they aren't imposing on the rights of others. It's not freedom of religion, but the free exercise of religion. There is a difference.

Exactly! Most of the colleges in the US wouldn't exist now if it weren't for Christianity. Or schools themselves for that matter. There has been a retelling of American history, and it is untrue, sadly Christians have fallen for it.

"American schools thus began with the Puritans in the 1600s to ensure Bible literacy. As expected, the Bible was the core of learning in schools. The New England Primer, the first reader in America, included Bible truths, stories, poems, hymns, and prayers. The Puritans founded many of the first colleges and universities in America—including Harvard, Yale, and Dartmouth—and they did so with a strong Christian purpose."

"For example, Harvard’s rules and precepts declared, “Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well that the main end of his life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life, John 17:3, and therefore to lay Christ in the bottom as the only foundation of all knowledge and learning.” These and future schools shaped the leaders and thinkers of early America, including the Founding Fathers of the United States."

"The Puritans’ emphasis on education influenced the American public school system, widespread literacy, and the idea of an informed citizenry in America. This emphasis on literacy and education promoted strong religious convictions among colonists and led to the creation of the most literate, educated society in the world."


Why would we ever want to vote for that??

 

[Mem]

Why would we ever want to vote for that??

I found this antique dome-top trunk being offered on eBay for $65,000 obo.
If anyone found this in their attic, who wouldn't like it to be restored it to mint condition in order to fetch the premium value? And why is a sock drawer so much more valued than the ideals which provided the original owners of such trunks the resolve to accomplish such a feat as establishing a free nation where "all men are created equal" to which so many would venture to dream of immigrating? Why would anyone want to trade that so readily for a Chinese imitation?
Idk, I guess there must be truth in that old adage about familiarity. The Cambridge Dictionary explains the idiom familiarity breeds contempt as "used to say that if you know someone very well you stop respecting them because you have seen all of their bad qualities," yet its apparent that only the bad qualities have endured after scrapping those supposedly problematic ideals.

 

[MeowFlower]

Yes, I realize this is a Christian forum. What a hoot lol. I'm a Christian and I live in Oklahoma, and I do not agree with the use of the Bible for political gain. And personally, I don't want anything to do with a Trump endorsed Bible that he makes money off of. There are plenty of non-Trump endorsed Bibles we could use...and as I have said already more than once Oklahoma amended that request so we don't have to use the Trump endorsed Bible.

You can think what you want, doesn't mean I have to agree.

I like what Rob Miller, the Bixby Superintendent, said, "As a Christian myself, the idea of diminishing the word of God to a mere classroom prop is repulsive to me."

I think you are so anti-Trump fixated that you not only don't make sense in your rhetoric you also demonstrate an obstinacy against being educated on the facts.

Transgender literature is entering classrooms in our public schools.

Laws are being passed in some states that forbid teachers to inform a parent if their child is Transitioning while on campus. I E insists on being addressed using an opposite gender pronoun,changing their given name, etc...

Bibles in public schools are at least a resource that gives righteous moral instruction. As opposed to elementary school age kids being given Tommy the Tampon coloring books so to "learn" their little boy classmates may menstruate!

God says The Adversary to righteousness is let to be Lord of this world. Boy,is he ever active in Government tax payer funded public schools .


And given it is our tax dollars paying for those educators,we have a right to oppose perverse literature being bought and paid for with our money in order to warp through hardwiring of impressionable young minds that are in the custody of the perverse programmers for longer than those children are at home.

Trump is a businessman. If he makes money promoting perfume,sneakers, and even Lee Greenwoods Bible, God bless him.

I'll buy a Bible to support Lee Greenwood any day,when my tax dollars,without my permission, paid for books that promote Satanic fallen mental illness so to insist those psychiatric disorders are the new tolerable normal. Especially when Tranny activists admit public library story hours are where they intend as Tranny's dressed the part to "groom" the children of the future.


Someone gripes about Bibles as an option in schools and libraries in the face of that?

Too bad! Pick a side.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I think you are so anti-Trump fixated that you not only don't make sense in your rhetoric you also demonstrate an obstinacy against being educated on the facts.

Transgender literature is entering classrooms in our public schools.

Laws are being passed in some states that forbid teachers to inform a parent if their child is Transitioning while on campus. I E insists on being addressed using an opposite gender pronoun,changing their given name, etc...

Bibles in public schools are at least a resource that gives righteous moral instruction. As opposed to elementary school age kids being given Tommy the Tampon coloring books so to "learn" their little boy classmates may menstruate!

God says The Adversary to righteousness is let to be Lord of this world. Boy,is he ever active in Government tax payer funded public schools .


And given it is our tax dollars paying for those educators,we have a right to oppose perverse literature being bought and paid for with our money in order to warp through hardwiring of impressionable young minds that are in the custody of the perverse programmers for longer than those children are at home.

Trump is a businessman. If he makes money promoting perfume,sneakers, and even Lee Greenwoods Bible, God bless him.

I'll buy a Bible to support Lee Greenwood any day,when my tax dollars,without my permission, paid for books that promote Satanic fallen mental illness so to insist those psychiatric disorders are the new tolerable normal. Especially when Tranny activists admit public library story hours are where they intend as Tranny's dressed the part to "groom" the children of the future.


Someone gripes about Bibles as an option in schools and libraries in the face of that?

Too bad! Pick a side.

Sorry, emojis aren't working. Would have given a "winner" to this post if I could, well said!

 

[gb9]

I think you are so anti-Trump fixated that you not only don't make sense in your rhetoric you also demonstrate an obstinacy against being educated on the facts.

Transgender literature is entering classrooms in our public schools.

Laws are being passed in some states that forbid teachers to inform a parent if their child is Transitioning while on campus. I E insists on being addressed using an opposite gender pronoun,changing their given name, etc...

Bibles in public schools are at least a resource that gives righteous moral instruction. As opposed to elementary school age kids being given Tommy the Tampon coloring books so to "learn" their little boy classmates may menstruate!

God says The Adversary to righteousness is let to be Lord of this world. Boy,is he ever active in Government tax payer funded public schools .


And given it is our tax dollars paying for those educators,we have a right to oppose perverse literature being bought and paid for with our money in order to warp through hardwiring of impressionable young minds that are in the custody of the perverse programmers for longer than those children are at home.

Trump is a businessman. If he makes money promoting perfume,sneakers, and even Lee Greenwoods Bible, God bless him.

I'll buy a Bible to support Lee Greenwood any day,when my tax dollars,without my permission, paid for books that promote Satanic fallen mental illness so to insist those psychiatric disorders are the new tolerable normal. Especially when Tranny activists admit public library story hours are where they intend as Tranny's dressed the part to "groom" the children of the future.


Someone gripes about Bibles as an option in schools and libraries in the face of that?

Too bad! Pick a side.

2nd sentence-

they are not entering the schools, they are in.

 

[MeowFlower]

2nd sentence-

they are not entering the schools, they are in.

Yes, that is the process. They enter,they're in. They're not yet in all public schools however.

I'm waiting for a move by state or federal government to shut down parochial education.