Scotland Referendum
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Let me see, what is Europe's banking center and arguably the financial capital of the world wakes up to find an influential member-state of its parent country gone. Her banks move south as there is a run on said bank.
Just as that problem arises the parent country has to consider debt allocation (after all, Scotland's is in debt with the rest of the UK, how much of the debt should they take on and by what criteria? And just what do we do with the pound anyhow? Should the Scots keep the pound? Will there be a Scottish pound and a South Britannic pound? Who controls the monetary policy? The fiscal policy? And what of laws? Those also provide a certain degree of predictability in the market and with gangsters like Salmond who knows what would happen to that end.
In short, ripples would occur that would spread throughout the global economy.
But let's put aside the economic argument for a moment. "Okay Des." You might say. "Those are just short term ripples and the liberation of a people is more important than your pocketbook."
All well and good, I suppose. Let us consider then the topic of secession shall we?
Europe and America tend to follow each other rather closely when it comes to socio-political trends. Many historians say that if you want to see where America will be in seven to fourteen years, look across the Atlantic. Primarily to mother England.
With the advent of technology too that gap in timing is shortening. You may remember that the big hubub over DOMA actually followed the big hubub over gay marriage in the UK. This timing is not merely coincidental.
So Scotland secedes to create their own little socialist utopia. Well, there are states that would like to do the same thing here in the US of A. Vermont and Oregon have little rumblings now and then. If you include conservative dissatisfaction look no farther than Texas. It is not unthinkable that we may have similar referendums here.
If you can't see it happening, consider the fact that the British didn't see Scotland coming so close to leaving the fold.
Let us not discount the fact either that a successfully separate Scotland may embolden certain factions.
So yes, if you care about or are at least interested in the continued union of the United States, Scotland should be of some importance to you.
Editorially, it hits close to home for me because I have family across the pond who will be more directly affected by this than I am (Spanish in-laws living near the Basque lands if you are curious).
"But Des." You say, "I don't care about any of these things! The economy! Pfffft. Secession? Pfffft. I just want to be safe and surely five million people leaving the United Kingdom is no big deal."
And you may be right! But then, you run the serious risk of being wrong as well. Scotland leaves, it makes the UK look weak. UK looking weak emboldens people who happen to hate democracy. Now if this happened twenty years ago, I would say, okey doke. At this geopolitical moment though, you can bet your bottom dollar it would be of importance and motivate some not so nice people to do more not so nice things to English speaking people regardless of national origin.
Then there is that little matter of nuclear weapons. The UK's nukes, nuclear submarines, and submarine pens are all up in Scotland. Sure, the Scots do not want nukes, but the question is where they will be held, how will they be transported, where will they go?
To make things more interesting, the next available storage space is in London. I have no doubt the UK's military will be able to hold them safely,
As a general rule, any time there is a question of moving nukes everyone on planet earth has a concern.
There are a couple other points I could make here, but I think those three shall suffice to say that we all have a stake in this. Mind you I was ambivalent about the prospect of Scottish independence and, more than anything, fascinated because one day the events that transpired will have a degree of influence on my life as an American taxpayer.
Just as that problem arises the parent country has to consider debt allocation (after all, Scotland's is in debt with the rest of the UK, how much of the debt should they take on and by what criteria? And just what do we do with the pound anyhow? Should the Scots keep the pound? Will there be a Scottish pound and a South Britannic pound? Who controls the monetary policy? The fiscal policy? And what of laws? Those also provide a certain degree of predictability in the market and with gangsters like Salmond who knows what would happen to that end.
In short, ripples would occur that would spread throughout the global economy.
But let's put aside the economic argument for a moment. "Okay Des." You might say. "Those are just short term ripples and the liberation of a people is more important than your pocketbook."
All well and good, I suppose. Let us consider then the topic of secession shall we?
Europe and America tend to follow each other rather closely when it comes to socio-political trends. Many historians say that if you want to see where America will be in seven to fourteen years, look across the Atlantic. Primarily to mother England.
With the advent of technology too that gap in timing is shortening. You may remember that the big hubub over DOMA actually followed the big hubub over gay marriage in the UK. This timing is not merely coincidental.
So Scotland secedes to create their own little socialist utopia. Well, there are states that would like to do the same thing here in the US of A. Vermont and Oregon have little rumblings now and then. If you include conservative dissatisfaction look no farther than Texas. It is not unthinkable that we may have similar referendums here.
If you can't see it happening, consider the fact that the British didn't see Scotland coming so close to leaving the fold.
Let us not discount the fact either that a successfully separate Scotland may embolden certain factions.
So yes, if you care about or are at least interested in the continued union of the United States, Scotland should be of some importance to you.
Editorially, it hits close to home for me because I have family across the pond who will be more directly affected by this than I am (Spanish in-laws living near the Basque lands if you are curious).
"But Des." You say, "I don't care about any of these things! The economy! Pfffft. Secession? Pfffft. I just want to be safe and surely five million people leaving the United Kingdom is no big deal."
And you may be right! But then, you run the serious risk of being wrong as well. Scotland leaves, it makes the UK look weak. UK looking weak emboldens people who happen to hate democracy. Now if this happened twenty years ago, I would say, okey doke. At this geopolitical moment though, you can bet your bottom dollar it would be of importance and motivate some not so nice people to do more not so nice things to English speaking people regardless of national origin.
Then there is that little matter of nuclear weapons. The UK's nukes, nuclear submarines, and submarine pens are all up in Scotland. Sure, the Scots do not want nukes, but the question is where they will be held, how will they be transported, where will they go?
To make things more interesting, the next available storage space is in London. I have no doubt the UK's military will be able to hold them safely,
As a general rule, any time there is a question of moving nukes everyone on planet earth has a concern.
There are a couple other points I could make here, but I think those three shall suffice to say that we all have a stake in this. Mind you I was ambivalent about the prospect of Scottish independence and, more than anything, fascinated because one day the events that transpired will have a degree of influence on my life as an American taxpayer.
Please, any negative comments that are being made about Scots wanting their Independance, it should not be negative comments that are coming from American folk, you guys get to celebrate your Independance day on the 4th of July every year to celebrate your independance from British rule, so to say anything negative about us wanting our independance from British rule.. are you not being just a bit hypocritical?
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I could write a long, long, long diatribe on this, but I will not, preferring to keep mine limited to one per thread. At that point people dismiss what you write or refuse to read any of it at all.
The spirit of '76 is a far different animal than what motivated the Scottish secessionists. To say I should adore both is like saying I should enjoy raw lettuce because I love blueberries.
The spirit of '76 is a far different animal than what motivated the Scottish secessionists. To say I should adore both is like saying I should enjoy raw lettuce because I love blueberries.
Petals, I thought you were British!
So it seems a Brit is objecting to British rule!
Of what country was James Thomson who wrote, Rule Britannia !?
The American colonies had no MPs in Parliament.
If you read the grievances in our Declaration of Independence,
you will see nothing like that in Scotland. QE II is no George the 3rd.
Methinks the referendum should have had a second proposition to vote on also:
2) Should Scotland and the rest of the UK be a permanent nation of one people?
So it seems a Brit is objecting to British rule!
Of what country was James Thomson who wrote, Rule Britannia !?
The American colonies had no MPs in Parliament.
If you read the grievances in our Declaration of Independence,
you will see nothing like that in Scotland. QE II is no George the 3rd.
Methinks the referendum should have had a second proposition to vote on also:
2) Should Scotland and the rest of the UK be a permanent nation of one people?
Personally, I think they should just hold a second referendum. Only this time they can vote on whether or not Glasgow becomes its own small country independent of Scotland and the UK.
Of course, we would let all of Scotland, including Glasgow, vote on the affair. Everyone gets what they want.
See Cameron, I can be the king of compromise as well.
Of course, we would let all of Scotland, including Glasgow, vote on the affair. Everyone gets what they want.
See Cameron, I can be the king of compromise as well.
our Queen will not step down, she said numerous times she made an oath to serve as monarch for life and that is what she will do. God blesses his servants, its considered that she is a born again believer and has been all her life. Her more recent Christmas messages give a good gospel message and honours God. Her long rule goes hand in hand with being blessed by God.
I'm sorry but technically speaking, I AM British AND I am also Scottish, we didn't get our independance so I still remain both British & Scottish, but had we got our independance then I would no longer be British, I would just be Scottish. This is a really hard time for me, & all I'm getting is negativity on here.
I thought the queen was high Anglican? Is she not the head if the Anglican Church?
Which is not to say she is also not born again.
I'm sorry Petals that your side lost. I hope it does result in more rights and freedoms for Scotland.
People are afraid of change, when the opportunity comes along. We've had the same party in power in Alberta for 42 years, highly conservative and unaccountable. We had a strong new party come along last election, leading in the polls till the election was over and they had lost. People were afraid of change. The last time we actually changed parties, it was the same party, different name. So over 80 years of the same policies. Some real benefits to fiscally conservative policies, but some downsides when everything got privatized and our resources given away by one crazy premier. To say nothing of cutbacks to health care and education we are still feeling today.
I guess you won't have another referendum? It took quite a few for Quebecers to realize it wasn't going to happen.
Which is not to say she is also not born again.
I'm sorry Petals that your side lost. I hope it does result in more rights and freedoms for Scotland.
People are afraid of change, when the opportunity comes along. We've had the same party in power in Alberta for 42 years, highly conservative and unaccountable. We had a strong new party come along last election, leading in the polls till the election was over and they had lost. People were afraid of change. The last time we actually changed parties, it was the same party, different name. So over 80 years of the same policies. Some real benefits to fiscally conservative policies, but some downsides when everything got privatized and our resources given away by one crazy premier. To say nothing of cutbacks to health care and education we are still feeling today.
I guess you won't have another referendum? It took quite a few for Quebecers to realize it wasn't going to happen.
The last referendum was in 1979, & this one is in 2014.. so I would imagine the next one would probably be in a very long time from now, most ppl here in Scotland are saying it won't happen again in our lifetime, which makes me all the more disappointed, it was a once in a lifetime chance & yet we threw it away & all because ppl were afraid of change & the unknown.. I agree, it is the unknown, but me & the rest of the 45% that voted Yes was ready for change & for better things. I woke up this morning with that horrible feeling of - "Was that all just a dream". I can't believe it's all over now & we won't get this chance again.
