Shoot or don't shoot

[p_rehbein]

In close quarters like that things can prevent the action from completing the cycle is what I was thinking I guess. Thats why people carry revolvers in bear country.

I carried the standard issue Army Colt .45, and it never jammed on me. I loved that weapon.

I understand the Sigsauer 9mm (picture below) is just as reliable. I'm told you can throw one in a mud hole, pick it up and start firing without a mishap.




As for bear country. The main reason I carried the .45 instead of a 9mm, is when you shoot someone in the hand with a 9mm, you put a nasty hole in their hand, When you shoot someone in the hand with the Army Colt .45, you take their hand off!

 

[Sirk]

I carried the standard issue Army Colt .45, and it never jammed on me. I loved that weapon.

I understand the Sigsauer 9mm (picture below) is just as reliable. I'm told you can throw one in a mud hole, pick it up and start firing without a mishap.

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As for bear country. The main reason I carried the .45 instead of a 9mm, is when you shoot someone in the hand with a 9mm, you put a nasty hole in their hand, When you shoot someone in the hand with the Army Colt .45, you take their hand off!

LOL. I'm looking at one of those. My first gen glock is a little big for my hand and it hinders me from dropping a magazine efficiently.

 

[Voldemort]

Self loading AND firing with one squeeze of the trigger is auto. Civilians really have no need to possess these.

We agree on this. But what do you say to people who counter and say that the 2nd amendment and the founding fathers would not have approved of a ban on those types of weapons... that we should have "no infringements"?

 

[Voldemort]

LOL. I'm looking at one of those. My first gen glock is a little big for my hand and it hinders me from dropping a magazine efficiently.

The FN Five-seveN is by far the most comfortable grip I've ever held. Not to mention it has a really low recoil. Surprisingly it has armor piercing capabilities. I own 2 of them. I'm surprised how few people buy/use these.

 

[Willie-T]

We agree on this. But what do you say to people who counter and say that the 2nd amendment and the founding fathers would not have approved of a ban on those types of weapons... that we should have "no infringements"?

I would say to take it to a vote. I imagine even many NRA people would vote for a ban on just anyone owning that type of weapon.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Does anyone know if the newer guns have GPS's factory installed in them. I have heard this...

 

[JosephsDreams]

The Pastor admitted that he now had a new perspective on this issue. He was a leading voice in protesting doing exactly what he did....he shot an unarmed man. I hope more people wake up and support our police....that is my prayer. I saw a picture of Sterling today...I think it speaks for itself.

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That was probably a halloween party photo.
Or just a dad and son posing for the camera.
Lets not blow it out of proportion.

 

[hornetguy]

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The FN Five-seveN is by far the most comfortable grip I've ever held. Not to mention it has a really low recoil. Surprisingly it has armor piercing capabilities. I own 2 of them. I'm surprised how few people buy/use these.

I'm not terribly surprised. Have you priced them? Then, have you priced the ammo? (IF you can find any)

They are very slick handguns, but WAY out of my price range.

 

[hornetguy]

Does anyone know if the newer guns have GPS's factory installed in them. I have heard this...

No, they don't. What possible purpose would that serve, except helping locate it if it was stolen?

 

[hornetguy]

I would say to take it to a vote. I imagine even many NRA people would vote for a ban on just anyone owning that type of weapon.

There already IS a ban on owning them. You can apply for a permit to own one, if you pay a $200-300 fee, and submit to a FBI background check that is probably stricter than the one to become a police officer.

 

[hornetguy]

That was probably a halloween party photo.
Or just a dad and son posing for the camera.
Lets not blow it out of proportion.

A fool pointing a gun at a cameraman, with his finger on the trigger, and teaching his son to do the same thing, with his finger on the trigger? How could you possibly blow that out of proportion?

At least it APPEARS that the kid's revolver is unloaded..... we have no clue about the autoloader.... what would you guess?

 

[Voldemort]

I'm not terribly surprised. Have you priced them? Then, have you priced the ammo? (IF you can find any)

They are very slick handguns, but WAY out of my price range.

I got 2 for $1,800 USD. I suppose for pistols, they are rather expensive, but I assure you, they are worth every penny.

 

[Voldemort]

And yes, I spend a little over $200 USD for 500 rounds. You would think each casing was 24k gold... lol

 

[hornetguy]

So, the $900 @ price is good... not great, but better than most places. I have rarely seen them for less than about $1100...

So you're paying about $20 for a box of 50, ammo? That's outstanding. I rarely find 45 ACP ammo at that price.

That's why I reload....

 

[jennymae]

In close quarters like that things can prevent the action from completing the cycle is what I was thinking I guess. Thats why people carry revolvers in bear country.

Never trust a pistol, they are wicked devices, just waiting for their chance to get jammed

 

[hornetguy]

Never trust a pistol, they are wicked devices, just waiting for their chance to get jammed

You sound like a Smith and Wesson kind of gal.... or is it Ruger?

While revolvers are generally more "jam-free" than autoloaders (pistols), they can certainly jam up. I've had a couple of them do that while shooting. Both times it was some kind of trash under the ejector star, one was a couple of flakes of unburned powder, which locked up the cylinder. I actually had to sort of smack it on the side to get the cylinder to open, so I could troubleshoot the issue.

The "hand" can break, or wear down, ruining the timing, the cylinder stop latch can become disabled..... so, things CAN happen. They are simply less likely than problems with an autoloader. Single action revolvers ROCK, reliability-wise.

Autoloaders depend on several different mechanical functions/movements to cycle reliably, and not all auto's will feed anything but round nosed bullets. They can be adjusted/tweaked to amazing levels of reliability, however.

The aforementioned military 1911 45acp is a good example. Most of those were VERY reliable.... because they assembled them to have a lot of "slop" in the action.... much like the Kalashnikov (AK-47) rifle. They HAD to be, so that they could withstand the rigors (dirt, mud, water, etc...) that they were going to be subjected to. The downside to that is that, with all that slop in the action, accuracy is, well... less than spectacular. But it was good enough for combat.

Many of the military grade 1911's will shoot about 2-3" at 7-10 yards...good enough for combat. A modern 1911, built to tighter tolerances will put all the bullets into one hole at those distances. But, you get some dirt or mud in it, and it locks up.

 

[Voldemort]

Never trust a pistol, they are wicked devices, just waiting for their chance to get jammed

That is one of the reasons why I specifically went with the Five-seveN. They may cost a bit more than regular pistols, but they never jam.

 

[Voldemort]

[video=youtube;Z24qwPoCqUo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z24qwPoCqUo[/video]

 

[hornetguy]

I can't open that video at work, but I assume that's Hickock45 testing the 5.7....?

That guy is a hoot... love his videos.

You keep talking about it, you might convince me that I NEED one....

 

[Voldemort]

I can't open that video at work, but I assume that's Hickock45 testing the 5.7....?

That guy is a hoot... love his videos.

You keep talking about it, you might convince me that I NEED one....

Oh, you watch his videos too? lol

I love him too. I love how much fun he has shooting. I live vicariously through his videos.