Stopping Global Abortions

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p_rehbein

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Alabama's just passed Abortion Law provides for "Life of the Mother." IF, as one stated here, if a female beocmes pregnant by rape/incest, AND the life of the mother is questioned, they can have an abortion.

Several States have passed strict Laws against abortion in the last year or so. Some more strict than others. They are all intended to cause SCOTUS to revisit the Roe v. Wade decision of 1972. But it was only ONE case that brought about the ruling.

Conservatives/Christians believe that given the makeup of the current SCOTUS, they have a good chance of getting Roe v. Wade overturned. Early indications are that this is probably wrong because few Justices want to overturn long established Law.
 

dcontroversal

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Please help us in Canada! We have no abortion law, at all! Our flaky Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau has the goal of free abortion everywhere!

Out election is in October. Pray Trudeau and his band of pro abortion cronies, are gone and wiped out then!
AMEN......I absolutely cannot stand that idiot..........
 

Leastamongmany

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Please help us in Canada! We have no abortion law, at all! Our flaky Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau has the goal of free abortion everywhere!

Out election is in October. Pray Trudeau and his band of pro abortion cronies, are gone and wiped out then!
Praying for your country!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏Amen
 

FollowHisSteps

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What is sad is our society is not taking the cost in broken lives. A baby is us, when we were vulnerable
and without defence. A mother who can so easily kill their own child, is not worthy to be a mother.
The problem in our society is a lack of love, both for parenthood and for child care.

The abuse of young people and the selfishness of parents is growing without counting the cost for our
future adults. There are no winners here, where pregnancy is just the consequence of sexual immoral
relationships without responsibility or obligation. And if you have unloved children who find in sex some
empathy and closeness, not suprising babies and dependency on them is growing, or the shock of changed
lives without preparation rushes to abortion, either early or late term.

Our society has lost its value of itself, cherishing closeness and intimacy, value and faithfulness.
You know things are bad when software relationships are more fulfilling than natural boy / girl discovery
and appreciation. And what is growing as a result, loneliness and isolation, where we live in our own
worlds with no one bridging the gap, and it appears like we are by ourselves in a crowd.

So I think abortion is a symtom, like bdf, of not valuing others and their reactions and exalting our own
positions above the reaction of others, while wishing to paint those who hold different views as evil
corrupt individuals, rather than people who have lost their way in need of help.

So what a tragedy that a yound woman desires to kill their own child, and as parents we stand by and
let parenthood be dishonoured like it is just like taking out the trash once a week, and something of a
curse and burden rather than a privilege and a great gift of a whole persons life we can mold, influence,
nuture and found in love, to the glory of the living God, Amen.
 

Waggles

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You know things are bad when software relationships are more fulfilling than natural boy / girl discovery
and appreciation
Isaac Asimov wrote a terrific sci-fi novel set in the future where people are so alienated from other real people that everyone
interacts socially through holograms.
But like all the great prophets of our times, George Orwell, Aldrous Huxley and others, are ignored and are forgotten.
And so, the world like lemmings rushes headlong to destruction and judgement.
 

kaylagrl

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I'm one of the few people who identify as leftist and liberal that you will ever hear utter these words: I strongly oppose abortion without restrictions. Vehemently so.

With that said, I do believe there are circumstances where it ought to be at least a choice, and I am confident you will agree with these: in saving the mother's life; in cases of child molestation; and in cases of rape.

The first two, I think it is mostly necessary: if the mother's life is in imminent danger, she ought to have a choice. AS for the second: children often aren't grown enough to physically bear the strain of having children of their own.

The third, while I agree with there being choice, I would personally counsel any such victim of rape to consider that it is not the child's fault. In other-words, while I support a raped woman's choice, I would encourage her to turn to her maternal instincts for guidance and consider that the child is not culpable for the crime committed against her.

Is that a fair set of criteria in your opinion?

The reason I ask, is because cutting funding help to women in all circumstances globally, means young girls having the children of abuse, often not being able to physically endure labour and childbirth; women whose lives are in danger dying in childbirth, having to continue regardless; and victims of rape being forced to endure sex, pregnancy and labour against their consent. What this also means is that many more thousands will die in cheap, dirty abortion procedures.


The first two, I think it is mostly necessary: if the mother's life is in imminent danger, she ought to have a choice. AS for the second: children often aren't grown enough to physically bear the strain of having children of their own."
Let's get down to the issue. Leftists argue that we need abortion because of these circumstances. And they'll start yelling as soon as you try to put restrictions on abortion. But here are the facts. Rape/Incest/Medical these
are 4% of the reason for abortions. When we break it down rape pregnancy can be prevented with a pill this day in age. But I saw a recent study that said the majority of women who got pregnant due to rape keep the baby. Because they have gone through such a violent attack they don't wish to face an abortion. I thought that was interesting. As to the medical issue, very rarely is an abortion needed for medical reasons. Abortion actually puts the mother's body in distress so it is avoided at all costs.


So we are left with the fact that most abortions are done for convenience sake. 60 million abortions since Roe. That's around the population of Canada. See, when abortion began it was suppose to be "rare and safe". If we stopped all abortions except for the cases you mentioned there would be almost no abortion. Do you think Planned Parenthood would agree to that? Every time I discuss abortion with a pro-choice person they bring up rape first, yet it's only 2% of abortions. I dislike when politicians twist an issue like this. Margret Sanger, who founded PP was a racist and believed in eugenics. I believe there are excuses being used to murder the unborn and as a Christian I cannot support that.
 

Leastamongmany

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Let's get down to the issue. Leftists argue that we need abortion because of these circumstances. And they'll start yelling as soon as you try to put restrictions on abortion. But here are the facts. Rape/Incest/Medical these
are 4% of the reason for abortions. When we break it down rape pregnancy can be prevented with a pill this day in age. But I saw a recent study that said the majority of women who got pregnant due to rape keep the baby. Because they have gone through such a violent attack they don't wish to face an abortion. I thought that was interesting. As to the medical issue, very rarely is an abortion needed for medical reasons. Abortion actually puts the mother's body in distress so it is avoided at all costs.


So we are left with the fact that most abortions are done for convenience sake. 60 million abortions since Roe. That's around the population of Canada. See, when abortion began it was suppose to be "rare and safe". If we stopped all abortions except for the cases you mentioned there would be almost no abortion. Do you think Planned Parenthood would agree to that? Every time I discuss abortion with a pro-choice person they bring up rape first, yet it's only 2% of abortions. I dislike when politicians twist an issue like this. Margret Sanger, who founded PP was a racist and believed in eugenics. I believe there are excuses being used to murder the unborn and as a Christian I cannot support that.
I totally and unforgivinly AGREE with you!🙏
 

calibob

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I totally and unforgivinly AGREE with you!🙏
As an adopted Grandfather and a Christian who really studies the word, rather than some who think we are a group to be joined or a church to go to. From my point of view abortion for birth control is the modern day equivalent to ancient child sacrifice, to Asherah and Ball. The ancient pantheistic Semite god and goddess of fertility and sex. This is an abomination of the highest order. Absolutely without a question. It is murder and idolatry of the most abominable form. The right to life is more important than the right to sex.
 

kaylagrl

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As an adopted Grandfather and a Christian who really studies the word, rather than some who think we are a group to be joined or a church to go to. From my point of view abortion for birth control is the modern day equivalent to ancient child sacrifice, to Asherah and Ball. The ancient pantheistic Semite god and goddess of fertility and sex. This is an abomination of the highest order. Absolutely without a question. It is murder and idolatry of the most abominable form. The right to life is more important than the right to sex.
And they're moving right along to infanticide ...
 

Susanna

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Let's get down to the issue. Leftists argue that we need abortion because of these circumstances. And they'll start yelling as soon as you try to put restrictions on abortion. But here are the facts. Rape/Incest/Medical these
are 4% of the reason for abortions. When we break it down rape pregnancy can be prevented with a pill this day in age. But I saw a recent study that said the majority of women who got pregnant due to rape keep the baby. Because they have gone through such a violent attack they don't wish to face an abortion. I thought that was interesting. As to the medical issue, very rarely is an abortion needed for medical reasons. Abortion actually puts the mother's body in distress so it is avoided at all costs.


So we are left with the fact that most abortions are done for convenience sake. 60 million abortions since Roe. That's around the population of Canada. See, when abortion began it was suppose to be "rare and safe". If we stopped all abortions except for the cases you mentioned there would be almost no abortion. Do you think Planned Parenthood would agree to that? Every time I discuss abortion with a pro-choice person they bring up rape first, yet it's only 2% of abortions. I dislike when politicians twist an issue like this. Margret Sanger, who founded PP was a racist and believed in eugenics. I believe there are excuses being used to murder the unborn and as a Christian I cannot support that.
I can’t even imagine someone killing my own daughter in my womb...on my request.

Terrible...

O mon Jésus, pardonne-nous nos péchés, préserve-nous du feu de l'enfer et conduis au ciel toutes les petit âmes surtout celles qui ont le plus besoin de ta miséricorde.

Amen.
 

kaylagrl

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I can’t even imagine someone killing my own daughter in my womb...on my request.

Terrible...

O mon Jésus, pardonne-nous nos péchés, préserve-nous du feu de l'enfer et conduis au ciel toutes les petit âmes surtout celles qui ont le plus besoin de ta miséricorde.

Amen.

That was a beautiful prayer. I believe that Gods grace covers women who have committed the sin of abortion. But I'm afraid young women especially don't understand the guilt that burdens them after they choose to end the life of their child.
 

kaylagrl

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Just watched the movie Gosnell. If you haven't yet you need to asap. I believe that abortion deaths a being covered up all over the country, the same as with Gosnell. Past time for Christians to stand up and speak up for the voiceless. #SilentHolocaust
 

Ohm

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Let's get down to the issue. Leftists argue that we need abortion because of these circumstances. And they'll start yelling as soon as you try to put restrictions on abortion. But here are the facts. Rape/Incest/Medical these
are 4% of the reason for abortions. When we break it down rape pregnancy can be prevented with a pill this day in age. But I saw a recent study that said the majority of women who got pregnant due to rape keep the baby. Because they have gone through such a violent attack they don't wish to face an abortion. I thought that was interesting. As to the medical issue, very rarely is an abortion needed for medical reasons. Abortion actually puts the mother's body in distress so it is avoided at all costs.


So we are left with the fact that most abortions are done for convenience sake. 60 million abortions since Roe. That's around the population of Canada. See, when abortion began it was suppose to be "rare and safe". If we stopped all abortions except for the cases you mentioned there would be almost no abortion. Do you think Planned Parenthood would agree to that? Every time I discuss abortion with a pro-choice person they bring up rape first, yet it's only 2% of abortions. I dislike when politicians twist an issue like this. Margret Sanger, who founded PP was a racist and believed in eugenics. I believe there are excuses being used to murder the unborn and as a Christian I cannot support that.
Like I said, I am not for abortion without restriction. I am for the "rare and safe" ideology: abortion for girls who are too young to consent in any way shape of form; abortion for girls who are too young to physically bear the strain of labour; abortion for rape victims; and abortion when the mother's life is in imminent danger.

I don't agree with a 30 something getting an abortion at 20 weeks because "career". If there is such a thing as a life when a child is born, then that predicates that there is such a thing as an unborn child.

However, some states' laws are literally so fiercely anti abortion that women who have miscarriages must prove they did indeed miscarry, which is often not possible. They are open to litigation for a miscarriage. And just yesterday I read a story of a woman who, while 5 months pregnant and hormonal, got into a small tiff with another woman over her child's paternity. The other woman shot her in the stomach, resulting in the loss of her pregnancy. And SHE is the one being pursued by the authorities for "putting her unborn child's life at risk", and faces manslaughter charges, while the woman who fired the gun is protected by ridiculous stand-your-ground laws.

In otherwords, over a relatively minor physical and verbal altercation, she was given license to shoot and potentially kill both the mother and her unborn child, with impunity.

There seems to be, in such states, no concept of common sense or proportion.
 

kaylagrl

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Like I said, I am not for abortion without restriction. I am for the "rare and safe" ideology: abortion for girls who are too young to consent in any way shape of form; abortion for girls who are too young to physically bear the strain of labour; abortion for rape victims; and abortion when the mother's life is in imminent danger.

I don't agree with a 30 something getting an abortion at 20 weeks because "career". If there is such a thing as a life when a child is born, then that predicates that there is such a thing as an unborn child.

However, some states' laws are literally so fiercely anti abortion that women who have miscarriages must prove they did indeed miscarry, which is often not possible. They are open to litigation for a miscarriage. And just yesterday I read a story of a woman who, while 5 months pregnant and hormonal, got into a small tiff with another woman over her child's paternity. The other woman shot her in the stomach, resulting in the loss of her pregnancy. And SHE is the one being pursued by the authorities for "putting her unborn child's life at risk", and faces manslaughter charges, while the woman who fired the gun is protected by ridiculous stand-your-ground laws.

In otherwords, over a relatively minor physical and verbal altercation, she was given license to shoot and potentially kill both the mother and her unborn child, with impunity.

There seems to be, in such states, no concept of common sense or proportion.


Like I said, I am not for abortion without restriction. I am for the "rare and safe" ideology: abortion for girls who are too young to consent in any way shape of form; abortion for girls who are too young to physically bear the strain of labour; abortion for rape victims; and abortion when the mother's life is in imminent danger.
So,to be clear, you're not for abortion as it stands now. You agree with the 4% I was speaking of?