The Greatest depression is coming, are you ready?
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JFK's assassination was the red pill for me, the criminality of the 2008 mortgage crisis was when I was clear our government was completely corrupt. I then studied 911 carefully and have concluded that also was an inside job. I believe the problems began during Eisenhower administration, became emboldened after JFK, they took out Nixon as well. By 911 the arrogance and cruelty was unbridled. The mortgage crisis was simply these crooks bribing the banks to go along with them. Since the pandemic the list of obvious, brazen corruption is long.
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Sort of a loaded question don't ya think?
The way it's worded implies that I rely on Gold and Silver to "deliver" me.
We are Christians here. I'm assuming you are too. My deliverer is, and always will be Jesus Christ.
Do you think Joseph's Kitchen, his bread and numerous false prophecies will deliver you?
See how these backhanded type questions are offensive?
The way it's worded implies that I rely on Gold and Silver to "deliver" me.
We are Christians here. I'm assuming you are too. My deliverer is, and always will be Jesus Christ.
Do you think Joseph's Kitchen, his bread and numerous false prophecies will deliver you?
See how these backhanded type questions are offensive?
The way it is worded is a quote to the relevant verse that we are discussing, the context of all this.
Glad you asked. I have bought enough food from Joseph's kitchen to feed my family for a year. On the one hand I am focused on the rapture before the tribulation but on the other I know that many will not be taken. So I believe that food will be a testimony to anyone left behind, it is done out of love, and it is done based on prophecies that I was listening to from the Bible but also from various individuals who I have come to trust.
Glad you asked. I have bought enough food from Joseph's kitchen to feed my family for a year. On the one hand I am focused on the rapture before the tribulation but on the other I know that many will not be taken. So I believe that food will be a testimony to anyone left behind, it is done out of love, and it is done based on prophecies that I was listening to from the Bible but also from various individuals who I have come to trust.
Here is the verse in question
Eze 7:19 “They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.”
Here is your response
I don't think that passage is referring to believers BEFORE the great tribulation.
Here is my response to this
Do you think your gold and silver will be able to deliver you during the tribulation?
I have shared repeatedly Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Yes, Ezekiel 7:19 is referring to Israel being taken into captivity, but that event gives us a view into what the tribulation will be like as well. Every word of the Bible is good for instruction and one reason is because there is nothing new under the sun, the thing that hath been is that which shall be. Since the Great tribulation is when the wrath of God is poured out it stands to reason that this verse concerning the day of the wrath of the Lord is also referring to the Great tribulation.
No, the word that would concern me at the judgement seat of Christ is your attack on the Prophecy Club of having numerous false prophecies. A false prophet will receive a very serious judgement and that includes those who falsely accuse others of being a false prophet.
Eze 7:19 “They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.”
Here is your response
I don't think that passage is referring to believers BEFORE the great tribulation.
Here is my response to this
Do you think your gold and silver will be able to deliver you during the tribulation?
I have shared repeatedly Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Yes, Ezekiel 7:19 is referring to Israel being taken into captivity, but that event gives us a view into what the tribulation will be like as well. Every word of the Bible is good for instruction and one reason is because there is nothing new under the sun, the thing that hath been is that which shall be. Since the Great tribulation is when the wrath of God is poured out it stands to reason that this verse concerning the day of the wrath of the Lord is also referring to the Great tribulation.
No, the word that would concern me at the judgement seat of Christ is your attack on the Prophecy Club of having numerous false prophecies. A false prophet will receive a very serious judgement and that includes those who falsely accuse others of being a false prophet.
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First off, I wasn't even conversing with you. Secondly, there is no way to slice your question any other way than offensive, because you didn't say something like " Do you think your Gold and Silver will be able to be used to buy what you need during the Tribulation"?
So you assumed I believe I'm even going to be here during the GT. Then, by using the term "DELIVER YOU" you absolutely equated that I think Gold and Silver is what "delivers" a person.
STOP playing games and just admit you were offensive. I got no problem forgiving and moving on. But you like to play coy. I'm just not letting you get off on being offensive.
So you assumed I believe I'm even going to be here during the GT. Then, by using the term "DELIVER YOU" you absolutely equated that I think Gold and Silver is what "delivers" a person.
STOP playing games and just admit you were offensive. I got no problem forgiving and moving on. But you like to play coy. I'm just not letting you get off on being offensive.
If you don't want people to participate in your private conversation then use the PM, you know as well as everyone else on this forum that this is public and anyone can discuss what is posted.
Second, it was a direct quote of the verse in question
"their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath"
You said you don't think that refers to believers before the great tribulation, I do. The mark of the beast is instituted prior to the pouring out of the wrath of God. It is before the great tribulation. The point of the teaching concerning the mark of the beast is so that no one would be confused about things like gold and silver. No one can buy or sell without the mark, that is what every believer needs to know and thinking anyone who teaches otherwise is a false prophet teaching contrary to the word of God.
That said, I don't understand the mark of the beast being implemented immediately, there could very easily be a year or two into the tribulation before they really tighten the screws.
Second, it was a direct quote of the verse in question
"their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath"
You said you don't think that refers to believers before the great tribulation, I do. The mark of the beast is instituted prior to the pouring out of the wrath of God. It is before the great tribulation. The point of the teaching concerning the mark of the beast is so that no one would be confused about things like gold and silver. No one can buy or sell without the mark, that is what every believer needs to know and thinking anyone who teaches otherwise is a false prophet teaching contrary to the word of God.
That said, I don't understand the mark of the beast being implemented immediately, there could very easily be a year or two into the tribulation before they really tighten the screws.
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Your pride is enormous.
Even worse in context of what you are trying to say, as the people in that passage are clearly lost.
You rely on a VERY false prophet, Stan Johnson. Who has NUMEROUS, demonstrably false prophecies. Many of which YOU have echoed on this forum.
Guess how many false prophecies a "prophet" get's to utter?
Even worse in context of what you are trying to say, as the people in that passage are clearly lost.
You rely on a VERY false prophet, Stan Johnson. Who has NUMEROUS, demonstrably false prophecies. Many of which YOU have echoed on this forum.
Guess how many false prophecies a "prophet" get's to utter?
I think it is very important to know of the impending earth bound crisis.
I have come to the conclusion that the US is the Great Babylon described in Revelation 18 (the Vatican is the Great Babylon described in Revelation 17, one is religious the other commercial). I also have concluded that the destruction of the Great Babylon in Revelation 18 which takes place in an hour like a great millstone being tossed into the ocean has a multitude of meanings.
1. A stock market collapse is just like that picture and so I believe this is reference to a complete collapse of the NYSE and Nasdaq,
2. Pastor Dana Coverstone's dream shed new light on this because he saw a stone that was definitely not a mill stone but certainly like one falling into the ocean. What he described looked very much like a Droeg stone, they have discovered these associated with Noah's ark. They work similar to ballast to reduce the roll and pitch of the ship. So as this millstone comes down causing calamity to the US, Noah's ark goes up signifying the rapture. As a result I also have concluded the collapse of the US coincides with the rapture. Therefore the rapture will deliver you from the impending earth bound crisis.
3. This also suggests that a meteor may also be part of what causes the total collapse of the US,.
The really crucial conclusion I have is that the elites are not planning on what is about to come. Yes our economy is like a Jenga tower ready to fall, but they think they can just make the deplorables pay for everything and if they die or commit crimes seize their house, property, bank accounts etc. The table has been set, but Jesus will be the one to flip the table over.
But suppose you wanted to help someone who is not a believer in Christ but you hope they will repent after seeing the rapture.
1. Go out to the wilderness. The Antichrist will seize power beginning in the major cities and working slowly towards the wilderness. If you had food and silver and gold and lived in a major city in the US people will find out, the gangs will come, break down your door, kill everyone in the house and take everything you have.
2. The second most important thing is to be part of a solid Christian community/church. If you have a number of believers left behind they can work together and the Lord will be with them. I think that is the main lesson for those who are left behind to trust in the Lord and His plan of salvation which includes the church.
3. The first two points are general principles that apply to everyone. However this principle is you need to be able to listen to and follow the Lord's speaking to you. Obviously that is too much to ask of your unbelieving friend or your friend who is a luke warm Christian. But it isn't too much to ask of believers, and if the Lord is speaking to you to get food and silver and water filters and emp shields and anything else they are hawking all over the internet then it is not for me to judge. Every servant stands or falls before the Lord, I do not judge another man's servant.
I have come to the conclusion that the US is the Great Babylon described in Revelation 18 (the Vatican is the Great Babylon described in Revelation 17, one is religious the other commercial). I also have concluded that the destruction of the Great Babylon in Revelation 18 which takes place in an hour like a great millstone being tossed into the ocean has a multitude of meanings.
1. A stock market collapse is just like that picture and so I believe this is reference to a complete collapse of the NYSE and Nasdaq,
2. Pastor Dana Coverstone's dream shed new light on this because he saw a stone that was definitely not a mill stone but certainly like one falling into the ocean. What he described looked very much like a Droeg stone, they have discovered these associated with Noah's ark. They work similar to ballast to reduce the roll and pitch of the ship. So as this millstone comes down causing calamity to the US, Noah's ark goes up signifying the rapture. As a result I also have concluded the collapse of the US coincides with the rapture. Therefore the rapture will deliver you from the impending earth bound crisis.
3. This also suggests that a meteor may also be part of what causes the total collapse of the US,.
The really crucial conclusion I have is that the elites are not planning on what is about to come. Yes our economy is like a Jenga tower ready to fall, but they think they can just make the deplorables pay for everything and if they die or commit crimes seize their house, property, bank accounts etc. The table has been set, but Jesus will be the one to flip the table over.
But suppose you wanted to help someone who is not a believer in Christ but you hope they will repent after seeing the rapture.
1. Go out to the wilderness. The Antichrist will seize power beginning in the major cities and working slowly towards the wilderness. If you had food and silver and gold and lived in a major city in the US people will find out, the gangs will come, break down your door, kill everyone in the house and take everything you have.
2. The second most important thing is to be part of a solid Christian community/church. If you have a number of believers left behind they can work together and the Lord will be with them. I think that is the main lesson for those who are left behind to trust in the Lord and His plan of salvation which includes the church.
3. The first two points are general principles that apply to everyone. However this principle is you need to be able to listen to and follow the Lord's speaking to you. Obviously that is too much to ask of your unbelieving friend or your friend who is a luke warm Christian. But it isn't too much to ask of believers, and if the Lord is speaking to you to get food and silver and water filters and emp shields and anything else they are hawking all over the internet then it is not for me to judge. Every servant stands or falls before the Lord, I do not judge another man's servant.
Ezekiel 7 is spoken to the people of Israel that refused God's warning
Ezekiel 7:1 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
This word that has caused a dispute is spoken to the land of Israel. Not to Assyria, not to Pharaoh, not to Gog and Magog. The church is the Israel which is above, so this word should also be instructive to us. Paul told us in Corinthians these things are examples unto us.
3 Now is the end come upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee all thine abominations.
There are so called "Christians" who are involved in abominable works. The ways are abominable. All you have to do is see how the apostate church has embraced the LGBTQ+ community, rejected the word of God, and even support the practice of abortion to know this is true.
4 And mine eye shall not spare thee, neither will I have pity: but I will recompense thy ways upon thee, and thine abominations shall be in the midst of thee: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
These are people who claim that Jesus is Lord, and yet they do not do what He has commanded. When you see the rapture you will know that Jesus is Lord.
5 Thus saith the Lord God; An evil, an only evil, behold, is come. 6 An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it is come. 7 The morning is come unto thee, O thou that dwellest in the land: the time is come, the day of trouble is near, and not the sounding again of the mountains.
This happened at the time of Ezekiel when he was carried away to Babylon. It happened during WWII when the Jews were sent to concentration camps. During the holocaust 1/3 of all Jews on Earth were killed. When Jesus was crucified 1/3 of the Godhead was killed. During the seven year tribulation in Revelation 1/3 of all people on earth will be killed. That which has been is that which will be. There is no new thing under the sun.
8 Now will I shortly pour out my fury upon thee, and accomplish mine anger upon thee: and I will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense thee for all thine abominations.
This word is to the Jewish people.
9 And mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: I will recompense thee according to thy ways and thine abominations that are in the midst of thee; and ye shall know that I am the Lord that smiteth. 10 Behold the day, behold, it is come: the morning is gone forth; the rod hath blossomed, pride hath budded.
Anyone who is paying attention has seen that pride has budded. They even refer to themselves by that word "pride".
11 Violence is risen up into a rod of wickedness: none of them shall remain, nor of their multitude, nor of any of their's: neither shall there be wailing for them.
The term "rod of wickedness" simply means "weaponized DOJ".
12 The time is come, the day draweth near: let not the buyer rejoice, nor the seller mourn: for wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.
Sounds like a reference to Revelation 18.
13 For the seller shall not return to that which is sold, although they were yet alive: for the vision is touching the whole multitude thereof, which shall not return; neither shall any strengthen himself in the iniquity of his life.
14 They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.
Who blew the trumpet to make all ready? Those would be the watchmen, the ones that some refer to as "false prophets". Fine, heap up those that tickle the ears and tell you that none of this will take place. The Lord's wrath is against all that ignored His warnings and did abomination.
15 The sword is without, and the pestilence and the famine within: he that is in the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence shall devour him.
That sword that is without the US, it will be here soon. You may think the pestilence is here now, but it is nothing compared to what happens when the power goes out and there is no more clean water. When the power goes out and the pumps go off it won't just be water that is missing, there won't be any fuel for cars and trucks and so if you are in a city the famine will be intense. Riots and looting will explode.
16 But they that escape of them shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, every one for his iniquity.
Those that escape will be in the mountains, in the wilderness
17 All hands shall be feeble, and all knees shall be weak as water.
Right now they talk a big game, they are important people with important positions insulting others. In that day they will be feeble and weak.
18 They shall also gird themselves with sackcloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads.
That's right. Shame on all faces because everyone heard the warnings and all of them ignored them. All of them listened to their own understanding and ignored the word of God.
19 They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Lord: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.
If you have roving gangs of thugs who wants to be carrying gold or silver.
20 As for the beauty of his ornament, he set it in majesty: but they made the images of their abominations and of their detestable things therein: therefore have I set it far from them.
The images of their abominations refers to idols. Coins are a graven image. Paper money is an image in wood. They also made images of "their detestable things". Whatever that is referring to you can be sure it is shameful, sinful and ugly.
21 And I will give it into the hands of the strangers for a prey, and to the wicked of the earth for a spoil; and they shall pollute it. 22 My face will I turn also from them, and they shall pollute my secret place: for the robbers shall enter into it, and defile it.
Once again, proof that God is talking about His people, His priests, His temple, etc.
23 Make a chain: for the land is full of bloody crimes, and the city is full of violence.
All of these crimes in the US have been documented on this forum. Everyone knows, some just choose to ignore the truth.
24 Wherefore I will bring the worst of the heathen, and they shall possess their houses: I will also make the pomp of the strong to cease; and their holy places shall be defiled.
The worst of the heathen? Are we talking about Russia? Cartel members? Gang members? They will possess your house and the church buildings.
25 Destruction cometh; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none.
The US had plenty of chance to make peace. They refused, in their arrogance they provoked the war, so they will drink this cup to the dregs.
26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients.
Once again, this chapter is referring to those who have the prophets, the law, the priests and the counsel of the ancients.
27 The king shall mourn, and the prince shall be clothed with desolation, and the hands of the people of the land shall be troubled: I will do unto them after their way, and according to their deserts will I judge them; and they shall know that I am the Lord.
Ezekiel 7:1 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
This word that has caused a dispute is spoken to the land of Israel. Not to Assyria, not to Pharaoh, not to Gog and Magog. The church is the Israel which is above, so this word should also be instructive to us. Paul told us in Corinthians these things are examples unto us.
3 Now is the end come upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee all thine abominations.
There are so called "Christians" who are involved in abominable works. The ways are abominable. All you have to do is see how the apostate church has embraced the LGBTQ+ community, rejected the word of God, and even support the practice of abortion to know this is true.
4 And mine eye shall not spare thee, neither will I have pity: but I will recompense thy ways upon thee, and thine abominations shall be in the midst of thee: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
These are people who claim that Jesus is Lord, and yet they do not do what He has commanded. When you see the rapture you will know that Jesus is Lord.
5 Thus saith the Lord God; An evil, an only evil, behold, is come. 6 An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it is come. 7 The morning is come unto thee, O thou that dwellest in the land: the time is come, the day of trouble is near, and not the sounding again of the mountains.
This happened at the time of Ezekiel when he was carried away to Babylon. It happened during WWII when the Jews were sent to concentration camps. During the holocaust 1/3 of all Jews on Earth were killed. When Jesus was crucified 1/3 of the Godhead was killed. During the seven year tribulation in Revelation 1/3 of all people on earth will be killed. That which has been is that which will be. There is no new thing under the sun.
8 Now will I shortly pour out my fury upon thee, and accomplish mine anger upon thee: and I will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense thee for all thine abominations.
This word is to the Jewish people.
9 And mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: I will recompense thee according to thy ways and thine abominations that are in the midst of thee; and ye shall know that I am the Lord that smiteth. 10 Behold the day, behold, it is come: the morning is gone forth; the rod hath blossomed, pride hath budded.
Anyone who is paying attention has seen that pride has budded. They even refer to themselves by that word "pride".
11 Violence is risen up into a rod of wickedness: none of them shall remain, nor of their multitude, nor of any of their's: neither shall there be wailing for them.
The term "rod of wickedness" simply means "weaponized DOJ".
12 The time is come, the day draweth near: let not the buyer rejoice, nor the seller mourn: for wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.
Sounds like a reference to Revelation 18.
13 For the seller shall not return to that which is sold, although they were yet alive: for the vision is touching the whole multitude thereof, which shall not return; neither shall any strengthen himself in the iniquity of his life.
14 They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.
Who blew the trumpet to make all ready? Those would be the watchmen, the ones that some refer to as "false prophets". Fine, heap up those that tickle the ears and tell you that none of this will take place. The Lord's wrath is against all that ignored His warnings and did abomination.
15 The sword is without, and the pestilence and the famine within: he that is in the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence shall devour him.
That sword that is without the US, it will be here soon. You may think the pestilence is here now, but it is nothing compared to what happens when the power goes out and there is no more clean water. When the power goes out and the pumps go off it won't just be water that is missing, there won't be any fuel for cars and trucks and so if you are in a city the famine will be intense. Riots and looting will explode.
16 But they that escape of them shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, every one for his iniquity.
Those that escape will be in the mountains, in the wilderness
17 All hands shall be feeble, and all knees shall be weak as water.
Right now they talk a big game, they are important people with important positions insulting others. In that day they will be feeble and weak.
18 They shall also gird themselves with sackcloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads.
That's right. Shame on all faces because everyone heard the warnings and all of them ignored them. All of them listened to their own understanding and ignored the word of God.
19 They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Lord: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.
If you have roving gangs of thugs who wants to be carrying gold or silver.
20 As for the beauty of his ornament, he set it in majesty: but they made the images of their abominations and of their detestable things therein: therefore have I set it far from them.
The images of their abominations refers to idols. Coins are a graven image. Paper money is an image in wood. They also made images of "their detestable things". Whatever that is referring to you can be sure it is shameful, sinful and ugly.
21 And I will give it into the hands of the strangers for a prey, and to the wicked of the earth for a spoil; and they shall pollute it. 22 My face will I turn also from them, and they shall pollute my secret place: for the robbers shall enter into it, and defile it.
Once again, proof that God is talking about His people, His priests, His temple, etc.
23 Make a chain: for the land is full of bloody crimes, and the city is full of violence.
All of these crimes in the US have been documented on this forum. Everyone knows, some just choose to ignore the truth.
24 Wherefore I will bring the worst of the heathen, and they shall possess their houses: I will also make the pomp of the strong to cease; and their holy places shall be defiled.
The worst of the heathen? Are we talking about Russia? Cartel members? Gang members? They will possess your house and the church buildings.
25 Destruction cometh; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none.
The US had plenty of chance to make peace. They refused, in their arrogance they provoked the war, so they will drink this cup to the dregs.
26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients.
Once again, this chapter is referring to those who have the prophets, the law, the priests and the counsel of the ancients.
27 The king shall mourn, and the prince shall be clothed with desolation, and the hands of the people of the land shall be troubled: I will do unto them after their way, and according to their deserts will I judge them; and they shall know that I am the Lord.