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How many members has a group in your eyes?
For me a group is around 20-50 people. Hamas has(had) in Gaza minimum 25000 armed members. This is in my eyes more then a group. And the free of four hostiles yesterday, which hold in civilian houses, showes that Hamas doesnt matter how much civilians will suffer or die for their crime.
For me a group is around 20-50 people. Hamas has(had) in Gaza minimum 25000 armed members. This is in my eyes more then a group. And the free of four hostiles yesterday, which hold in civilian houses, showes that Hamas doesnt matter how much civilians will suffer or die for their crime.
This is nonsense. They interviewed many of the earlier hostages and were told that the hostages feared death, not by hamas but by the indiscriminately bombing and attack of the military as Israel killed a few of them. So one could use the same logic and say the IOF's bombing showed the hostages didn't matter to them and never mattered this whole time.
They also shared that hamas would give them equal rations of food that hamas ate during this starvation strategy war crime. In other words, these "terrorists" still treated them humanely according to the rules of war, unlike Israel has done with their hamas and innocent children prisoners.
They also shared that hamas would give them equal rations of food that hamas ate during this starvation strategy war crime. In other words, these "terrorists" still treated them humanely according to the rules of war, unlike Israel has done with their hamas and innocent children prisoners.
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Are you alleging that all 25,000 alleged members of Hamas were involved in the attack on Israel? Even if so, the death count for civilians as a result of the war is now greater than the number of those 25,000 alleged Hamas terrorists. There would be (righteous) outrage if any police or military action to capture or kill violent criminals resulted in an even greater casualty rate amongst civilians (due to the police or military action). This is what is happening. God detests condemning the innocent, just as He hates acquitting the guilty.
If the Israeli state really wanted to address the issue, they would have first addressed who gave the stand-down orders on the day of the attack, why the planning for the attack was ignored by a conspiracy of officials/military within the Israeli regime etc. Just like the 9/11 attack in America was an inside job to justify illegal military action of the Bush regime, this is an inside job to justify illegal military action of the Israeli regime.
Unless people are happy to continue to be murdered by rogue governments, all officials, security and military members involved in the treason and crimes against humanity need to put on trial and punished to the full extent of the law. If not, the Nazis punished at the Nuremberg trials are owed an apology.
If the Israeli state really wanted to address the issue, they would have first addressed who gave the stand-down orders on the day of the attack, why the planning for the attack was ignored by a conspiracy of officials/military within the Israeli regime etc. Just like the 9/11 attack in America was an inside job to justify illegal military action of the Bush regime, this is an inside job to justify illegal military action of the Israeli regime.
Unless people are happy to continue to be murdered by rogue governments, all officials, security and military members involved in the treason and crimes against humanity need to put on trial and punished to the full extent of the law. If not, the Nazis punished at the Nuremberg trials are owed an apology.
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Obadiah 1:1-10 [brackets mine]
1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the nations, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
[Fulfilled. The Israeli Zionists are Edomite descendants (Jewish encyclopedia). And The Almighty is currently turning the nations against them.]
2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.
[Fulfilled. They are 0.2% of the world's population. Only 15 million. And are greatly despised especially after all that we've witnessed in the last few months.]
3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
[Self-explanatory how this portion is fulfilled. They believe they are above every law. Biblical, secular, international, humanitarian, judgments...they ignore them all.]
4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.
[Not yet fulfilled.]
5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
[Fulfilled. One would think they'd be satisfied with the majority they have already stolen, but nope, they want it all.]
6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
[Fulfilled. All their secret plots and strategies are being revealed to the world in this age of information.]
7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a trap under thee: there is none understanding in him.
[Partially fulfilled. Old alliances are crumbling. But we have not yet seen any trap triggered for them.]
8 Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
[Not yet fulfilled.]
9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
[Not yet fulfilled.]
10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
[For their violence against their semitic cousins...]
1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the nations, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
[Fulfilled. The Israeli Zionists are Edomite descendants (Jewish encyclopedia). And The Almighty is currently turning the nations against them.]
2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.
[Fulfilled. They are 0.2% of the world's population. Only 15 million. And are greatly despised especially after all that we've witnessed in the last few months.]
3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
[Self-explanatory how this portion is fulfilled. They believe they are above every law. Biblical, secular, international, humanitarian, judgments...they ignore them all.]
4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.
[Not yet fulfilled.]
5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
[Fulfilled. One would think they'd be satisfied with the majority they have already stolen, but nope, they want it all.]
6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
[Fulfilled. All their secret plots and strategies are being revealed to the world in this age of information.]
7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a trap under thee: there is none understanding in him.
[Partially fulfilled. Old alliances are crumbling. But we have not yet seen any trap triggered for them.]
8 Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
[Not yet fulfilled.]
9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
[Not yet fulfilled.]
10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
[For their violence against their semitic cousins...]
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Yep, the 4 hostiles told, that they had to read the koran and had to worship Allah and to bow down for Him. They told they got brainwashing. The female hostages, maby not all where raped. This is humanely treatment?
So you have compassion with Hamas? And young criminals which were trained from childhood on to kill jews?
So you would also say the death of the conzentration camps during Hitler and Stalins time the bad ones. And Hiltler was the good One? I met 1986 in acco, Israel palastines children which told ne that Hitler was good! With a thumps up.
A war brings always people to death whhich have nothing to do with that.
This war what we have in Gaza today. Was startet from Hamas. With the full knowlegde that the civilians in Gaza will suffer.
They hide themselves behind these civilians and sold the free giving food for much money to the civillians.
You have mercy with poor Hamas?
Then you must be blind on both eyes, including you chicken eyes.
But i suppose it must come so, thats what God said for the future about Israel. Till Jesus returns!
So you have compassion with Hamas? And young criminals which were trained from childhood on to kill jews?
So you would also say the death of the conzentration camps during Hitler and Stalins time the bad ones. And Hiltler was the good One? I met 1986 in acco, Israel palastines children which told ne that Hitler was good! With a thumps up.
A war brings always people to death whhich have nothing to do with that.
This war what we have in Gaza today. Was startet from Hamas. With the full knowlegde that the civilians in Gaza will suffer.
They hide themselves behind these civilians and sold the free giving food for much money to the civillians.
You have mercy with poor Hamas?
Then you must be blind on both eyes, including you chicken eyes.
But i suppose it must come so, thats what God said for the future about Israel. Till Jesus returns!
Brilliant. This really highlights the injustice done to the wolves. Just because a pack of wolves kills a human the reality is the casualty rate among wolves from hunters is much greater than the casualty rate of people from wolves. And this is not just about wolves, the same is true of poisonous snakes. Count up how many poisonous snakes have killed a person and I guarantee that people have killed many more poisonous snakes than the other way around.
But this doesn't just apply to wolves and snakes. Think about people driving under the influence. Sure, some of them have caused horrific accidents killing people, but not all of them. Yet they persecute every single person who drives under the influence, is that justice? They don't have to be reckless, they don't have to crash and yet they still can go to prison.
This is a brilliant new way of looking at warfare. Make it even, for every person the enemy kills we get to kill one and only one. This way there is no incentive to have bigger and better weapons. No, the best way to win a war is to have more people so that once the one for one trades have all been made you still have a few people left. The elites will love this idea. You should go present this to Soros and King Charles. Not only will this make it much easier to calculate the impact of war, it will also solve the problem of Climate change as well!
Jesus told us we should calculate whether or not we are able to go to war, and this makes those calculations so much simpler. I have 10,000 the enemy has 20,000 the answer is no, I can't go to war, so we need to make peace, hand over all that we have to the enemy and become their slaves. Great advice. I bet China loves this advice.
But this doesn't just apply to wolves and snakes. Think about people driving under the influence. Sure, some of them have caused horrific accidents killing people, but not all of them. Yet they persecute every single person who drives under the influence, is that justice? They don't have to be reckless, they don't have to crash and yet they still can go to prison.
This is a brilliant new way of looking at warfare. Make it even, for every person the enemy kills we get to kill one and only one. This way there is no incentive to have bigger and better weapons. No, the best way to win a war is to have more people so that once the one for one trades have all been made you still have a few people left. The elites will love this idea. You should go present this to Soros and King Charles. Not only will this make it much easier to calculate the impact of war, it will also solve the problem of Climate change as well!
Jesus told us we should calculate whether or not we are able to go to war, and this makes those calculations so much simpler. I have 10,000 the enemy has 20,000 the answer is no, I can't go to war, so we need to make peace, hand over all that we have to the enemy and become their slaves. Great advice. I bet China loves this advice.
No, I said only that minimum 25000 Hamas and other radikal armed "groups" are fighting in Gaza. Hiding behind the civillians.
You mentioned God. Till the jewish turn to Christ they are still under Gods condamnation. But this means not that he put them aside for ever. I am convinced who is against Israel is also against God.
You mentioned God. Till the jewish turn to Christ they are still under Gods condamnation. But this means not that he put them aside for ever. I am convinced who is against Israel is also against God.
C'mon friend. Let's throw out this nonexistent charge. No one testified to being raped. And to the rest; do you know what humanely treated means?
Let's assume for the moment parents are wasting their time teaching hatred of the Jews for preschoolers, which theres no evidence of (like there actually is for Jewish children being taught that palestinians are out to kill them). So you believe 5 year old children should be killed rather than re-educated? What about 3 month olds who wre killed?
Yes, in fact. Hitler would blush at what's been going on in Israeli detention centers, especially during this conflict. It's why news journalists were barred from entry. CNN did an investigative report on prisoner treatment.
If you set aside your prejudice for a moment and think strategically it makes no sense for hamas to abuse or kill hostages because they lose the little leverage and protection they had, KNOWING Israeli soldiers think like you do about palestinian children. There would've been nothing stopping them from carpet bombing everywhere.
War started with Israeli snipers - for fun - shooting out the kneecaps and limbs of nonviolent Gazan protestors (both children and the elderly) during their march in the days immediately leading up to October 7th. But let's just ignore those little points. "How dare anyone retaliate against ISRAEL!"
Can you elaborate? What did The Almighty say would happen in Israel's future til The Messiah comes?
Let's assume for the moment parents are wasting their time teaching hatred of the Jews for preschoolers, which theres no evidence of (like there actually is for Jewish children being taught that palestinians are out to kill them). So you believe 5 year old children should be killed rather than re-educated? What about 3 month olds who wre killed?
Yes, in fact. Hitler would blush at what's been going on in Israeli detention centers, especially during this conflict. It's why news journalists were barred from entry. CNN did an investigative report on prisoner treatment.
If you set aside your prejudice for a moment and think strategically it makes no sense for hamas to abuse or kill hostages because they lose the little leverage and protection they had, KNOWING Israeli soldiers think like you do about palestinian children. There would've been nothing stopping them from carpet bombing everywhere.
War started with Israeli snipers - for fun - shooting out the kneecaps and limbs of nonviolent Gazan protestors (both children and the elderly) during their march in the days immediately leading up to October 7th. But let's just ignore those little points. "How dare anyone retaliate against ISRAEL!"
Can you elaborate? What did The Almighty say would happen in Israel's future til The Messiah comes?
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Seriously, who of the living hostiles would confess openly to all world that she would be raped? Around 50 freed hostiles committed suicide Till today. Why? Because they were treatet humanity?
You have your view ! I have mine. And we both are responsible for.
As I said before! All giving Israel the blame! They have as only nation in this world no right to defend thereselfs. This land we call today Israel with Jerusalem Was given from God to them. Right?
Maby you should read Romans chapter 11 again?
You have your view ! I have mine. And we both are responsible for.
As I said before! All giving Israel the blame! They have as only nation in this world no right to defend thereselfs. This land we call today Israel with Jerusalem Was given from God to them. Right?
Maby you should read Romans chapter 11 again?
No. aggressors, oppressors and occupiers DO NOT have a right to defend themselves against their victims.
The land was given to the children of israel by The Almighty...and then the land was taken away from the children of Israel by The SAME Almighty. Why? Because of the innocent blood spilled. So why would what we're seeing be The Almighty giving it back through spilling of MORE innocent blood? Like, just step back and think instead of blindly reacting.
Think.
There are liars in the world bent on ruling the world, as corny and as cartoonish as that sounds, it's true.
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Romans 11:17-21, 23
If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
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Do the people currently in control in the land believe in the Messiah or not?
If the answer is "no", they have not been regrafted/regathered in yet. Read Romans 11 again. They are not regathered until they believe, not beforehand. So the people in control are not the remnant.
Matthew 23:39
For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord
The land was given to the children of israel by The Almighty...and then the land was taken away from the children of Israel by The SAME Almighty. Why? Because of the innocent blood spilled. So why would what we're seeing be The Almighty giving it back through spilling of MORE innocent blood? Like, just step back and think instead of blindly reacting.
Think.
There are liars in the world bent on ruling the world, as corny and as cartoonish as that sounds, it's true.
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Romans 11:17-21, 23
If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
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Do the people currently in control in the land believe in the Messiah or not?
If the answer is "no", they have not been regrafted/regathered in yet. Read Romans 11 again. They are not regathered until they believe, not beforehand. So the people in control are not the remnant.
Matthew 23:39
For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord
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Animals aren't people. Man is made in God's image, animals aren't. So yours is not a valid comparison, unless you are openly arguing against what God says on that matter? I didn't think so.
This is a different subject, but your argument again is flawed in presuming that I argue it is just to punish those who have committed no harm in the same way as it is to punish those who have committed harm.
I am not arguing against soldiers killing soldiers - that is war. I am saying that soldiers deliberately or carelessly targetting civilians is a war crime. Remember that creating a straw man to knock down is a tactic favoured by Communists.
On many threads, you are quite the sharp mind, but when it comes to the crimes of the Israeli government, you go to pieces and resort to Communist tactics. You should address that, but possibly are frightened that if you approached this topic with the same rationality you approach most others, you'd come to the conclusion that the Israelis are the Nazis, and would therefore be obliged to state so. Jesus was unafraid to speak the truth, no matter who didn't like it. You'd do well to follow His example.
This is a different subject, but your argument again is flawed in presuming that I argue it is just to punish those who have committed no harm in the same way as it is to punish those who have committed harm.
I am not arguing against soldiers killing soldiers - that is war. I am saying that soldiers deliberately or carelessly targetting civilians is a war crime. Remember that creating a straw man to knock down is a tactic favoured by Communists.
On many threads, you are quite the sharp mind, but when it comes to the crimes of the Israeli government, you go to pieces and resort to Communist tactics. You should address that, but possibly are frightened that if you approached this topic with the same rationality you approach most others, you'd come to the conclusion that the Israelis are the Nazis, and would therefore be obliged to state so. Jesus was unafraid to speak the truth, no matter who didn't like it. You'd do well to follow His example.
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