The Shooting of Michael Brown

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I see Russia as the leader of the Eastern side of the 2 legged Roman Empire

Actually the two legs or empires represent Constantinople (Muslim nations) and Rome (Western powers). We tend to forget that 3 or 4 of the world's greatest empires throughout history were Arabic.
 
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We're all wealthy because we're white? Gee, I didn't know that. Most white people, including myself, work really hard to barely make it AFTER sacrificing for many years to educate ourselves without anyone's assistance (instead of dropping out of school to try and be like thug Tupac). I guess we didn't get the government check that the government sends out to white people so they can be wealthy... lol. Or maybe David smokes dope and has concocted a fantasy in his head?

David, there hasn't been slavery in the U.S. since December 6, 1865 and before that slaves were both white and black and slave owners were both white and black. Read a book. Here, let me give you a hand:

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Black Slaveowners: Free Black Slave Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860: Larry Koger: 9781570030376: Amazon.com: Books

White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America: Don Jordan, Michael Walsh: 9780814742969: Amazon.com: Books

White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and North Africa's One Million European Slaves: Giles Milton, Roland Philipps: 9780340794708: Amazon.com: Books

The Irish Slaves: Slavery, indenture and Contract labor Among Irish Immigrants: Rhetta Akamatsu: 9781456306120: Amazon.com: Books

White Slavery in the Barbary States: Charles Sumner: 9781494429461: Amazon.com: Books

Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500-1800 (Early Modern History): Robert C. Davis: 9781403945518: Amazon.com: Books

They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America: Michael Hoffman: 9780929903057: Amazon.com: Books

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Ahh cool, I thought it was because they were descended from slaves, versus the wealthy whites who became rich from colonization.

So it's good to know slavery had no impact, racial segregation laws had no impact.... but it is instead Freedom/Liberty that is keeping them down.

Thanks for setting us straight.
 
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An unarmed teenager was killed by an armed police office.

That fact, is not in dispute.
If the "fact" was the teenager had his hands up and complying with the cop and then was shot and killed then the cop was wrong. If the fact is the teenager that was over 6' 2" and weighed over 230 lbs was rushing the cop what did the cop think? Did the cop think that this teenager was rushing him to give him a hug? Or did he think he was about to be pummeled by this massive teenager?

We all have to wait for more facts.
 

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Obmas America. When he said he was going to "transform" the United States of America, because of his hatred of it, this is what he has in mind:

 

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like many, folks on this forum included, the left media is only giving facts that back up their narrative.
 
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If the "fact" was the teenager had his hands up and complying with the cop and then was shot and killed then the cop was wrong. If the fact is the teenager that was over 6' 2" and weighed over 230 lbs was rushing the cop what did the cop think? Did the cop think that this teenager was rushing him to give him a hug? Or did he think he was about to be pummeled by this massive teenager?

We all have to wait for more facts.
Yes we do have to wait for the facts.

Yet ask yourself this, if the officer felt his life was at risk could he have called for back up for help, and also if an unarmed man is twice his size and if he was charging at him cold he have shot out his legs to stop that insurgent instead of going for a kill shot ?
 

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Yes we do have to wait for the facts.

Yet ask yourself this, if the officer felt his life was at risk could he have called for back up for help, and also if an unarmed man is twice his size and if he was charging at him cold he have shot out his legs to stop that insurgent instead of going for a kill shot ?
There's a lot of "could haves" in any incident. Brown could have not assaulted the officer and he would still be alive.
 

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Yes we do have to wait for the facts.

Yet ask yourself this, if the officer felt his life was at risk could he have called for back up for help, and also if an unarmed man is twice his size and if he was charging at him cold he have shot out his legs to stop that insurgent instead of going for a kill shot ?
From a police training standpoint, you are supposed to avoid shots that have a good chance of hitting innocent bystanders. Leg shots are hard when someone is running. Police are trained to aim for center mass, in normal circumstances.

SWAT snipers often aim for the head or some other part. I once saw a video of a sniper shooting a pistol right out of a suspect's hand. But in the population, they generally aim for center mass when they shoot. (Plus, a leg shot that hits the femoral artery almost guarantees they will bleed to death before first responders arrive.)
 
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Ahh cool, I thought it was because they were descended from slaves, versus the wealthy whites who became rich from colonisation.

So it's good to know slavery had no impact, racial segregation laws had no impact.... but it is instead Freedom/Liberty that is keeping them down.

Thanks for setting us straight.
If I have this right, most slave owners were farmers......it did not translate after the Civil War. The ideal blacks are poor today because they were once slaves is the mentality of the defeatist left, the same people who demand blacks be victims so a few liberal elites ( look at the wealth of Kerry and Pelosi etc. ) can stay in power and the money and make themselves look compassionate by forcing others to give to government charities...which in turn create more poverty.

Its a sham and disgusting and foolishness.
 
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Has anyone had a very large young man rushing toward you after he walked away after he assaulted you?

As a cop?

Let those without sin cast the first stone.

Of course that does not apply when we consider race...the evil rich white guy vs the poor innocent little black boy......

wonder when the 12 yr old pics are gonna come out??

The good thing about this is the left are painting themselves as bigots once again....wonder if anyone will notice??
 

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Here are the facts as we know for sure today'

One young man is dead, and one police officer's life has been ruined.

Two men, saw an opportunity to spread a message of hate, and jumped into something that they knew absolutely nothing about.

Now the wagons are circled on two hate extremes, and the fight has begun.

I grew up in the deep segregated south. I saw first hand what hate can do. I don't want to return to those days. Unfortunately, we have a small group of people who are still living in that era. That group has infiltrated the political system, and the press, and today every time there is a chance to score political points they jump on it. What troubles me, is that I feel that this is happening among the Christians here. I sincerely pray that this is not true. Let's wait for the Grand Jury to complete it's investigation before jumping to conclusions.
 
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Yes we do have to wait for the facts.

Yet ask yourself this, if the officer felt his life was at risk could he have called for back up for help, and also if an unarmed man is twice his size and if he was charging at him cold he have shot out his legs to stop that insurgent instead of going for a kill shot ?
Shoot out his legs? Most cops are taught for good reason to "double click" when shooting a person that is attacking them. First 'click' (shoot) to the mass of the body. It's easier to hit the mass of a body when you're under a sudden attack. Most of the time this slows down the attacker giving time to make the next shot (click) if the attack continues. A second 'click' to a deadly spot of the body to bring them down for good.

"Yet ask yourself this, if the officer felt his life was at risk could he have called for back up for help...". There wasn't time for the cop to call for backup. Under normal conditions calling for backup is done by cops if they suspect that the situation is going to get hostile. And only if there is time to do that. This was not a normal situation and things happened in seconds. Seconds that could have resulted in the cop being taken down by this huge teenager if he didn't use deadly force to stop him. Had the cop not used deadly force he could have been killed.

In which case we would never hear about a 'white' cop being killed by a black teenager who was about to attend college and getting his life together when minutes earlier he had made the 'mistake' of robbing a store. A mistake the cop never new the teenager made when he asked the teenager to walk on the sidewalk not in the street. But the teenager knew he had just robbed a store and roughed up the owner. When this raciest white cop who may have known of his 'mistake' made earlier and dared to confront him he attacked.
 
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There's not much point in having police at all if they are ineffective against criminals and a city without police is never going to be a safe place to live and raise a family.
 

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CORRECTION to the post I made yesterday:

Apparently those X's or bullet holes are more than 6, though 6 bullets hit Brown. What I read said like one bullet hit Brown above the eye, then went in/out of his a couple more times! Like it came back out his nose or something and then hit his collar bone -- something like that -- a bullet bounced around from what I read -- hard to believe. Hard to believe also, but I think there are or will be 4 autopsies! Police, private, FBI, "Justice" Dept. Also is it hard to believe that they have posted a rather cherubic, boyish picture of MB to post on the internet (290 pound man, 6' 4" methinks), reminding one of the Trayvon boy picture.

Earlier today I saw diagrams of an autopsy on Brown, apparently putting a X where 6 bullets hit him, none from behind. It looked to me like 5 of the bullets that hit Brown were inconsequential (arm, very top of head), or I should say, not life-threatening nor body-stopping.

But we will have to wait for all the evidence to come out. I don't have the expectation that the officer will receive a just treatment if he is innocent. I think there will be too much pressure to please the Ferguson mob (including the racists that joined it).
 

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"Yet ask yourself this, if the officer felt his life was at risk could he have called for back up for help...". There wasn't time for the cop to call for backup..
I am thinking that cops should usually work in pairs. I realize the objection will be that there aren't enough cops to have pairs. But this gets back to the nature of law enforcement. The whole system depends upon a general consensus by the people that they will obey the law and support the police. If the crime rate gets too high and they people in general scoff at the law, there seems no solution to the problem.

I wonder if what we are seeing now in the USA is widespread scoff law increased by persons who cross the border and enter the land in defiance of the law to begin with.

And you know what, in the USA I don't think we done seen nothin yet.
 

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I grew up in the deep segregated south. I saw first hand what hate can do.
Of course there was some hate by persons like KKK. But I don't think that there was the widespread hate that we see now, like from the good citizens of Ferguson. There was an attitude of superiority among whites in the south and a disdain for the "colored." But they could give them their used clothes!

Can you not see the drastic difference between the old segregationist south and what we have now?

This is just IMHO, my take on it, but I think that integration as an ideal lasted maybe 1 year (around 1969-70), quickly replaced by "black pride," and multiculturalism, back to segregation actually. The country went about integration wrong, trying to bus children across town. If they had been serious about integration, they would have passed checker board real estate laws, making it illegal or uneconomic to have segregated neighborhoods. Say at least every other house had to be sold to a white person and at least every 3rd house to an afro-American, something like that.

It seems to me that many white persons wanted to be color-blind, but that black persons by and large see things through pigmentation glasses. We have black police associations, black this & black that, black caucus, black postal workers association. The Hispanics are doing the same thing. There are Miss Latin Beauty contests, our Hispanic hero award, etc. Now how long will it be before white organizations arise to oppose this? Will there be a white policeman's association? Just being one group of humans doesn't seem possible.

Of course Christians are in fact a distinct race. But what is more segregated than Sunday morning at churches?

Let's wait for the Grand Jury to complete it's investigation before jumping to conclusions.
Those are words of real wisdom, but in fact grand jury proceedings are not releasable to the public. Top secret. Now if a grand jury refuses to indict, I think a real possibility if that state has grand jury, then we would not get to know the evidence. Of course if the state grand jury does not indict, we can expect the "Justice" Dept to have a go on their own, violation of civil rights. Somehow this country ignores the injustice of double jeopardy in alleged crimes of white man on black man.
 
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Depending on the round and where and how it enters the body, a bullet can bounce around. I knew a man back in the 80's that was visiting a mutual female friend but she had a psycho jealous boyfriend she had broken up with that wasn't accepting the fact they were no longer together.

He showed up at the house unannounced, walked into the kitchen and shot her right in the temple killing her instantly. My associate (he wasn't a friend just someone I knew) rushed the guy arms outstretched who started squeezing off rounds at him. The first round went wide, the second round grazed his head (just like in the movies), and the third round entered his arm just above the wrist and bounced all the way up his arm exiting his shoulder.

By then he was on the guy and they fought for the pistol. My associate was able to take it from him and pistol whip him pretty good. The guy; however, managed to get away from him to his car and floored it out of there. The police found him in the next county drinking at a bar and he was taken into custody and eventually convicted of first degree murder.

It was a .25 caliber pistol and the wound itself was interesting. You could see where the bullet entered, something of its path up his arm by the displaced skin and muscle, and where it exited. He got lucky.


a bullet bounced around from what I read -- hard to believe.
 
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So you're suggesting that our government can force all Americans to live where they tell them to, even though they have to pay to live there and don't want to? That's not going to happen because the people elect the politicians and they would elect politicians to ensure that doesn't happen to them.

The fact is that most whites do NOT share and DO reject the dysfunctional gangster thug/ho anti-white culture and racism that most blacks adopted, even though white culture has become increasingly immoral itself over time, and will pick up and move away from it when it begins to negatively affect their lives and their families. The rioting and looting, of course, always accelerates white flight. These two factors insure true integration never occurs.


This is just IMHO, my take on it, but I think that integration as an ideal lasted maybe 1 year (around 1969-70), quickly replaced by "black pride," and multiculturalism, back to segregation actually. The country went about integration wrong, trying to bus children across town. If they had been serious about integration, they would have passed checker board real estate laws, making it illegal or uneconomic to have segregated neighborhoods.
 
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I sincerely believe we will have an all out civil war between the races, classes, militias & religions very soon ... especially during the Tribulation Period. Hopefully Jesus will call us home before it explodes on all fronts. I think we are seeing a preview now in its milder form.
I agree...leader against leader and violence in the land before the destruction of the Daughter of Confusion...the HINDERMOST of the NATIONS...which is a sign for the Jews to flee to their own country
 
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