The Shooting of Michael Brown

[ThomistColin]

So far the evidence is showing that the officer told the truth. However, circumstancial evidence is just that. Is it possible that Michael Brown attacked the officer and then surrendered and the cop shot him...yes. However, Michael was not fleeing the officer when he was shot six times, but instead was facing the officer. The two kill shots, one through the eye socket and the other entering the top of his head seem to show that Michael was charging the officer. Again, lets wait until the Grand Jury has made its decision to indict or not, and whom is being brought before the Grand Jury.

 

[Atwood]

I thoroughly disagree. The Left did not do this. The Right is not on a witch hunt. Two men chose crime. They chose to rob that store. Michael chose to attack that police officer, allegedly. Certain people chose to loot those stores. Certain people chose to aggravate the police. The Police chose to use militarized vehicles and firearms as a tactic to reduce the tension. The Governor chose to put in a curfew, and then lift it two days later. Don't make bigger picture statements, when it comes down to choices. No one is to blame, except for those that chose their actions.

Why Thomist, you have changed your Avatar!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

That's how I see it as well so far.

So far the evidence is showing that the officer told the truth. However, circumstancial evidence is just that. Is it possible that Michael Brown attacked the officer and then surrendered and the cop shot him...yes. However, Michael was not fleeing the officer when he was shot six times, but instead was facing the officer. The two kill shots, one through the eye socket and the other entering the top of his head seem to show that Michael was charging the officer. Again, lets wait until the Grand Jury has made its decision to indict or not, and whom is being brought before the Grand Jury.

 

[ThomistColin]

Why Thomist, you have changed your Avatar!

I've been on a Bilbo kick recently, rereading the Hobbit. So, I thought my childhood friend would enjoy hanging out with me on CC.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You're lying David. What I said is:

"No way I would convict that police officer of anything if I was on that jury looking at the evidence I've seen so far."

What's the point of fabricating misinformation about what I said and then using it as a straw man to paint me as a morally blighted person?

That reflects very poorly on your character David. But then your character has always been more in line with "Big" Mike Brown and I quote his own words:

"With this Glock in your face,
And you betta not make a sound,
And I only like white men on my money,
Those who are last shall be first,
Whites on the bottom,"

https://soundcloud.com/bigmike-jr-brown/080514-freetyle-bigmike-luh-vee-k-loc

If the police officer had died defending his community in the line of duty, would any of your kind show the same passion for him and his family?

Of course not. Strong arm robber gangsters are good and police who enforce the law are bad in your mob, isn't that right David?

Ageofknowledge has officially received all the memos!

What a joke. What a mockery of Christianity.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I think I was in junior high when I first saw that cartoon. You weren't even born... lol.

I've been on a Bilbo kick recently, rereading the Hobbit. So, I thought my childhood friend would enjoy hanging out with me on CC.

 

[jjtj22]

Ageofknowledge has officially received all the memos!

What a joke. What a mockery of Christianity.

You sir, do realize you have added nothing to the conversation, no explanation of your argument which is not even coherent. Many people on CC would respectfully dialogue with you on your views if you would simply state them rather than attack those who piece together a compelling argument based on the information as it becomes available.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

You sound very aggressive and angry here. And being you're not an American you have no idea what the climate is like in Ferguson.

The Execution of an 18 year old kid by police is all over the news at the moment.
Shooting of Michael Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Have the resident right wingers on this forum come up with reasons why he deserved it, or why he was doing the wrong thing?

Or hasn't their been enough time to fabricate lies about it yet?

I'm just curious.

Dr.Badden, retained to conduct a private autopsy, determined this young man was shot 6 times. Twice in the head. One wound was in the arm and could have been a defensive wound, he said.
Six shots are excessive considering police are told to aim center mass when discharging a firearm so as to stop an assailant.
This young man retained 4 wounds to the body and two bullet wounds to the head.

Witnesses said he had his hands up at the time he was shot. Being unarmed, whether he was advancing toward the officer, and this all happening in broad daylight, six shots is excessive. Many police will tell a suspect to put their hands behind their head and drop to their knees and lay flat on their stomach.

Whether this young man was advancing toward this officer, or fleeing for that matter, being he was disarmed and the officer had a 9mm as well as other weapons on his belt, this appears to have been an execution.

Now, with the independent coroners report, there's no reason charges shouldn't be considered against this officer.

 

[Desdichado]

You sound very aggressive and angry here. And being you're not an American you have no idea what the climate is like in Ferguson.

You're lying David. What I said is:

You sir, do realize you have added nothing to the conversation, no explanation of your argument which is not even coherent. Many people on CC would respectfully dialogue with you on your views if you would simply state them rather than attack those who piece together a compelling argument based on the information as it becomes available.

David_1 really ought to write a book on effective trolling. I suppose over half of it is finding a receptive audience.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You sound very aggressive and angry here. And being you're not an American you have no idea what the climate is like in Ferguson.




Dr.Badden, retained to conduct a private autopsy, determined this young man was shot 6 times. Twice in the head. One wound was in the arm and could have been a defensive wound, he said.
Six shots are excessive considering police are told to aim center mass when discharging a firearm so as to stop an assailant.
This young man retained 4 wounds to the body and two bullet wounds to the head.

Witnesses said he had his hands up at the time he was shot. Being unarmed, whether he was advancing toward the officer, and this all happening in broad daylight, six shots is excessive. Many police will tell a suspect to put their hands behind their head and drop to their knees and lay flat on their stomach.

Whether this young man was advancing toward this officer, or fleeing for that matter, being he was disarmed and the officer had a 9mm as well as other weapons on his belt, this appears to have been an execution.

Now, with the independent coroners report, there's no reason charges shouldn't be considered against this officer.

Exactly, and the thing others use in arguments is suspect info as well.

The robbery for one, they said Brown was a suspect but no report says he was actually the one in the video.
second, the officer who shot Brown did not know about the robbery or Brown as the suspect.
third, the cell phone video has yet to be released that the woman who took it continues to back her story that Brown was running away from the officer when he was first fired on. Just because the wounds are from the front does not mean other shots were not fired while he was running that could have easily missed Brown.
( So, if she is right why would some one who is unarmed and already fired on turn and start to charge the officer shooting )

Last they made it clear the robbery had nothing to do with the shooting incident.

Then sources are also used to back up their debate that have supposed evidence leak, when no evidence has been released except the autopsy, which others are being done as well to see if stories collaborate.

Browns clothes also have yet to be examined to see if powder marks are evident to prove shot at close range or not, the body of Brown had no powder evidence.

One of the biggest problems is that people see, is that the media and police force have spent more time releasing and saying things to try and smear Brown instead of finding out the truth. Which is why outside people have been called in.

Brown is not perfect, as none of us are perfect, but to smear the credibility of a person who had no criminal record before he was shot is just a ploy to win people to side with their opinion.

We must not be swayed by other mans opinions, or their version of right and wrong.

We has Christians, follower of Jesus Christ, need to go by what He said.................

Repay no evil for evil

 

[notuptome]

Brown is not perfect, as none of us are perfect, but to smear the credibility of a person who had no criminal record before he was shot is just a ploy to win people to side with their opinion.

We must not be swayed by other mans opinions, or their version of right and wrong.

We has Christians, follower of Jesus Christ, need to go by what He said.................

Repay no evil for evil

This is a typical attitude in know it alls. Not perfect people do not always strong arm a store clerk for a handful of cigars. The police officer may not have known he robbed the store clerk but young mr brown did.

A duly authorized officer of the law has a duty to protect the citizens of the town. It is not evil for evil when a police officer acts within his authority. Now leave it to the legal system to determine if he was acting within protocol or not. The governor is calling for prosecution and the protestors are calling for prosecution but that will only create a bias against the officer. How can the officer get a fair hearing in that environment?

A tragic situation compounded by stupidity and politics. Two wrongs do not make a right.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Atwood]

I've been on a Bilbo kick recently, rereading the Hobbit. So, I thought my childhood friend would enjoy hanging out with me on CC.

The start of the Hobbit is brilliant, enjoyable writing, the most entertaining part for me.

The Silmarillion is the most profound theologically, IMHO. Are you familiar with it? Its story of creation is a brilliant explanation of election, as it seems to imply that all the creatures exercise free will, yet everything they do is predestined precisely. It raises the question: Is it possible that everything is absolutely determined by God in every detail, everything done, thought, imagined, & willed -- yet all the beings who do the willing & acting are exercising free will & not compelled?

The Silmarillion symbolizes this (IMHO) by having all the discordant voices (sinners sinning) fitting precisely into the will of God.

 

[Atwood]

This is a typical attitude in know it alls. Not perfect people do not always strong arm a store clerk for a handful of cigars. The police officer may not have known he robbed the store clerk but young mr brown did.

A duly authorized officer of the law has a duty to protect the citizens of the town. It is not evil for evil when a police officer acts within his authority. Now leave it to the legal system to determine if he was acting within protocol or not. The governor is calling for prosecution and the protestors are calling for prosecution but that will only create a bias against the officer. How can the officer get a fair hearing in that environment?

A tragic situation compounded by stupidity and politics. Two wrongs do not make a right.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You know, the events we are seeing could be a novel, Ferguson. This is a real drama.

Lets forget Brown for a moment & the actual Ferguson, as I wasn't there & won't judge anyone at this point:

But imagine a movie with a young pung, gang-banger, huge bully (not Brown). The movie would show him doing his bullying with a very dramatic end to it. Imagine a huge punk, taking a little shrimp shop-keeper's cigars just because he was a big bully & was used to intimidating people, like at high school & everywhere else. One moment he is bullying & grabbing selfishly someone else's property, with no sympathy whatever for the little shop-keeper; he prances out of the store, walks down the street contemptuous for rules (walk on sidewalk, not street), walking like he owns the world. The next moment a cop car pulls up, orders him to get off the street, & the punk ignores him. The cop sees the cigars in his hands & hears on the radio about robbed cigars. The cops whirls his squad car around, blocking the street. The punk attacks the cop, and quickly the punk is dead on the pavement. There are only a few minutes between being a bully & being a dead bully. They used to have the expression, dead-end kid.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Ferguson citizens, black citizens specifically, have always had an issue with police harassment.
This case appears to be the final straw.
It isn't repaying evil with evil if this officer is charged and found guilty. It is vanquishing evil with justice so that the rest of the community that would otherwise be subject to his authority are made safe from one bad cop.

I don't think in the history of the office any police officer anywhere in the nation has come forth and admitted they wrongfully shot or killed a civilian.
Superiority complex is not unusual in police. Especially given what a cop will face if they are found guilty of the murder of a civilian, in this case a white cop murdering a black man, when they enter prison.

I knew someone who was accused of running a red light by a cop who was behind a building near the intersection at the time. This person didn't run a red light. They ran through the caution light and the light turned red after the vehicle had cleared the intersection. That is what this cop saw when he rounded the building he was behind. Why he was behind the building she never learned.

Anyway, because her driving record was a factor in her job, she took the cop to court. Jury trial.
Prior to the case convening she saw the cop in the hallway of the courthouse. He approached her with this smug smile on his face, I was with her for support, and said, because it was an illegal approach on his part being an ex parte communication with the plaintiff against him: "Who do you think the jury's going to believe lady? Me? A highly decorated state trooper? Or you?"

Sure enough, he lied on the stand and said he was sitting at the intersection at the light on the opposite street, when she ran the light going the other way and directly in front of him.
Her attorney looked at her, she at him, and the jury later found her guilty.
She lost her job the next day.

Sometimes the worst kind of criminal is living behind the badge.

Exactly, and the thing others use in arguments is suspect info as well.

The robbery for one, they said Brown was a suspect but no report says he was actually the one in the video.
second, the officer who shot Brown did not know about the robbery or Brown as the suspect.
third, the cell phone video has yet to be released that the woman who took it continues to back her story that Brown was running away from the officer when he was first fired on. Just because the wounds are from the front does not mean other shots were not fired while he was running that could have easily missed Brown.
( So, if she is right why would some one who is unarmed and already fired on turn and start to charge the officer shooting )

Last they made it clear the robbery had nothing to do with the shooting incident.

Then sources are also used to back up their debate that have supposed evidence leak, when no evidence has been released except the autopsy, which others are being done as well to see if stories collaborate.

Browns clothes also have yet to be examined to see if powder marks are evident to prove shot at close range or not, the body of Brown had no powder evidence.

One of the biggest problems is that people see, is that the media and police force have spent more time releasing and saying things to try and smear Brown instead of finding out the truth. Which is why outside people have been called in.

Brown is not perfect, as none of us are perfect, but to smear the credibility of a person who had no criminal record before he was shot is just a ploy to win people to side with their opinion.

We must not be swayed by other mans opinions, or their version of right and wrong.

We has Christians, follower of Jesus Christ, need to go by what He said.................

Repay no evil for evil

 

[BlackPlatypus]

This is a typical attitude in know it alls. Not perfect people do not always strong arm a store clerk for a handful of cigars. The police officer may not have known he robbed the store clerk but young mr brown did.

Assumes facts not in evidence.
"The police officer may not have known he robbed the store clerk but young mr. brown did?"

That isn't even reality in this case.
I pray God you aren't a cop.

 

[Atwood]

Bible Perspective -- Most R Probably Ignorant of This, Romans 13

Rom. 13:1
"Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Therefore he who resists the power, withstands the ordinance of God: and
they who withstand shall receive to themselves judgment.
3 For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil.

And wouldest you have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same: 4 for
he is a minister of God to thee for good.
But if you do that which is evil, be afraid; for
he bears not the sword in vain:
for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him who does evil.
5 Wherefore you must needs be in subjection, not only because of the wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For this cause ye pay tribute also; for
they are ministers of God’s service, attending continually upon this very thing."

Is there anything in this shooting which does not fit precisely into the above scripture?

 

[BlackPlatypus]

You know, the events we are seeing could be a novel, Ferguson. This is a real drama.

Rest assured, somewhere in Hollyweird, there's a writing team already working on the movie.

 

[SonInMe]

The ''witness'' who said Brown had his hands up was his partner in the store robbery...and has been arrested for that crime.

Consider the source before you support a testimony that seems to be completely blown out of the water by other witnesses....

I know it fits your preconceptions of bad white cop and innocent little black boy but facts and liberalism have never been introduced anyways so...

There is, so far, no evidence against the police officer and plenty against Brown.....amazing people can see that any other way but then Trayvon Martin proved the preset thinking of the left.

sad

 

[Atwood]

second, the officer who shot Brown did not know about the robbery or Brown as the suspect.

What is your proof of that? Have you heard a recording of everything the officer heard on his radio?
Have you heard of the sin of judging? If you were in the officer's shoes, would you want people saying that you didn't know about the robbery, when the people have no proof of the "not know"? Is that loving the policeman as self?

third, the cell phone video has yet to be released that the woman who took it continues to back her story

4th, the report out is that the companion of Brown who claimed that Brown was shot in the back, raised his hands in surrender, has changed his story now, indicating that he lied.

We has Christians, follower of Jesus Christ, need to go by what He said.................
Repay no evil for evil

.

What does that have to do with police & the judicial system?
Is there anything whatsoever in this story which does not fit Romans 13:1-7 perfectly?

 

[JimJimmers]

Ferguson citizens, black citizens specifically, have always had an issue with police harassment.
This case appears to be the final straw.
It isn't repaying evil with evil if this officer is charged and found guilty. It is vanquishing evil with justice so that the rest of the community that would otherwise be subject to his authority are made safe from one bad cop.

I don't think in the history of the office any police officer anywhere in the nation has come forth and admitted they wrongfully shot or killed a civilian.
Superiority complex is not unusual in police. Especially given what a cop will face if they are found guilty of the murder of a civilian, in this case a white cop murdering a black man, when they enter prison.

I knew someone who was accused of running a red light by a cop who was behind a building near the intersection at the time. This person didn't run a red light. They ran through the caution light and the light turned red after the vehicle had cleared the intersection. That is what this cop saw when he rounded the building he was behind. Why he was behind the building she never learned.

Anyway, because her driving record was a factor in her job, she took the cop to court. Jury trial.
Prior to the case convening she saw the cop in the hallway of the courthouse. He approached her with this smug smile on his face, I was with her for support, and said, because it was an illegal approach on his part being an ex parte communication with the plaintiff against him: "Who do you think the jury's going to believe lady? Me? A highly decorated state trooper? Or you?"

Sure enough, he lied on the stand and said he was sitting at the intersection at the light on the opposite street, when she ran the light going the other way and directly in front of him.
Her attorney looked at her, she at him, and the jury later found her guilty.
She lost her job the next day.

Sometimes the worst kind of criminal is living behind the badge.

That's an awful story! I agree with you about police officers not always upholding the oath they swore. It's a terrible thing. But I hope you won't let that story influence your opinion of this case. Personally, I hope there's a video somewhere, or some other form of concrete evidence. It's not that I believe the officer to be innocent, I just hope and pray that justice prevails, whatever that is.