The state of the world

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RickyZ

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You know, I knew long ago which way the world was going to go ... love grows cold, family and friends turning against each other, the poor getting poorer as the rich horde money... it's all in the Bible and easy to see coming to fruition in the world.

What has taken me by surprise is the number of Christ professing people who have bought into this march towards anarchy lock stock and barrel. People here defend hording riches, they defend cheating workers, they defend attacking and calling each other derogatory names, they rail against the the poor...

I do hope you OSAS preachers are right, because when the poop hits the fan (and it will be doing so shortly) there are a LOT of so-called believers who are going to find themselves on the short end of the stick and turning apostate because they chose to follow the way of the world and not that of Christ. And when they finally clue into what they SHOULD be doing, they are going to find it too hard to turn from their worldly ways.

It is shameful, absolutely shameful the things some people defend here. They have abandoned their first love ... hopefully their First Love will not abandon them.
 

wanderer6059

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You know, I knew long ago which way the world was going to go ... love grows cold, family and friends turning against each other, the poor getting poorer as the rich horde money... it's all in the Bible and easy to see coming to fruition in the world.

What has taken me by surprise is the number of Christ professing people who have bought into this march towards anarchy lock stock and barrel. People here defend hording riches, they defend cheating workers, they defend attacking and calling each other derogatory names, they rail against the the poor...

I do hope you OSAS preachers are right, because when the poop hits the fan (and it will be doing so shortly) there are a LOT of so-called believers who are going to find themselves on the short end of the stick and turning apostate because they chose to follow the way of the world and not that of Christ. And when they finally clue into what they SHOULD be doing, they are going to find it too hard to turn from their worldly ways.

It is shameful, absolutely shameful the things some people defend here. They have abandoned their first love ... hopefully their First Love will not abandon them.
i see it to brother, but this is just the tide pulling back before the last wave of revival. there is a love so massive coming to sweep this world its gonna be insane. yes this dying spirit of religion will be there, the one you speak about and it will be that harlot of the end times to persecute the true church. but the truth is we gotta pray for the body, this church, that her eyes be open and she sees the truth coming, and rejects the lie that is here.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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what a pathetic attempt to shame those who believe the promises of God


IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS​

Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
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romans 3

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
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Romans 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous

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2 Corinthians 5:21 - For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

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Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

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Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

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we are saved by grace through faith....


and when we (born again sons and daughters of God)
are judged

we will also be judged by the same standard as EVERYONE

the difference between the saved
and unsaved

is the unsaved have their own righteousness that they will be judged by

those covered by the sacrifice of Jesus will be judged by His in regards to salvation...

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TO ALL WHO BELIEVE​

Acts 13:39
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses

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John 3:15-17
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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BEING BORN FROM ABOVE PRODUCES SONS, NOT PRETENDERS WHO STOP BELIEVING​



hebrews 10


35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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john 6


28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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no worries

He will not lose EVEN ONE of His

and those who go out from us

were never of us
or no doubt would have continued with us


1 john
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
 
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Desdichado

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I'm still waiting to read someone with these views. Most people here (I cannot say all) merely disagree with you as to which policy is wisest in the pursuit of justice and equity and there you go- attributing motive.

Let it be known I'm a classical liberal precisely because I believe those policies are best for all- rich and poor, male and female, white and non-white. I assert they arose from a revitalized Christian understanding of the world in the 1500's and 1600's. I think most on this forum hold to these truths for similar reasons.

I also think there is such thing as unjust enrichment via collusion with the government.

While I've never seen your economic program hammered out in detail (I only have an idea of what you're against policy-wise), it seems you are really into wage and price controls. Policies that would fail and lead (indeed they've led) to wider impoverishment if implemented despite the best intentions.

But I do not fancy you evil because of it. I don't think you're some sort of feudal socialist aristocrat looking to keep the poor serfs locked in a state of servitude. I cannot speak for how God will treat you when the Saints get their report card. I care very little about that. It's God's purview, not mine.

People here defend hording riches, they defend cheating workers, they defend attacking and calling each other derogatory names, they rail against the the poor...
 
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I'm still waiting to read someone with these views. Most people here (I cannot say all) merely disagree with you as to which policy is wisest in the pursuit of justice and equity and there you go- attributing motive.

Let it be known I'm a classical liberal precisely because I believe those policies are best for all- rich and poor, male and female, white and non-white. I assert they arose from a revitalized Christian understanding of the world in the 1500's and 1600's. I think most on this forum hold to these truths for similar reasons.

I also think there is such thing as unjust enrichment via collusion with the government.

While I've never seen your economic program hammered out in detail (I only have an idea of what you're against policy-wise), it seems you are really into wage and price controls. Policies that would fail and lead (indeed they've led) to wider impoverishment if implemented despite the best intentions.

But I do not fancy you evil because of it. I don't think you're some sort of feudal socialist aristocrat looking to keep the poor serfs locked in a state of servitude. I cannot speak for how God will treat you when the Saints get their report card. I care very little about that. It's God's purview, not mine.
AMEN...I said someone made an ignorant comment...he railed on me and accused me of calling them names...to be honest he rails on a lot of people and portrays himself as all that and a bag of righteous chips....
 

Angela53510

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Well, I for one get tired of some Americans looking around at what they don't like, and then applying it to the rest of the world. Jesus is going to come when he is ready, to right the wrongs, not when certain Americans don't like what is happening in their country.

In Canada, we have a prime minister who is as left wing as you can get. Trudeau is literally destroying our country economically. The sooner he is gone the better. He is an idiot, uneducated, and probably a closet Muslim. His brother makes films to support Palestine. His dad, Pierre Elliot, was a card carrying member of the communist party and best buddies with Castro. He brought in our first debt, which has continued to rise. With nothing to show for it.

But, I do not come onto the News Forum, predicting the immanent collapse of the world, or even western society, because we have a brain dead prime minister, who is a globalist intent on destroying Canada.

Americans have so little knowledge of the rest of the world! How dare the OP even title this to do with the "world" when in fact, he is speaking of his own little subset of American society. Even most Americans do not agree with him.

PS. For the record, I have cheated no one, frauded nothing, and not hoarded wealth. I have given generously to both my church, and numerous parachurch organizations. There are numerous villages in Africa and Cambodia with clean wells, because my husband and have made a point of helping the truly poor and needy. I wonder what the OP has done to help those in third world countries who have nothing?
 

Desdichado

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Trudeau is literally destroying our country economically. The sooner he is gone the better. He is an idiot, uneducated, and probably a closet Muslim. His brother makes films to support Palestine. His dad, Pierre Elliot, was a card carrying member of the communist party and best buddies with Castro. He brought in our first debt, which has continued to rise. With nothing to show for it.

But, I do not come onto the News Forum, predicting the immanent collapse of the world, or even western society, because we have a brain dead prime minister, who is a globalist intent on destroying Canada.
First I heard the muslim thing.

But I do think the trouble afflicting Canada through men like Trudeau is emblematic of the trouble in the West as a whole. You wouldn't be wrong to take Canada's situation and compare it to what's going on in, say, France.


Americans have so little knowledge of the rest of the world!
*draws sabre

Try me, Canadian! I read the Economist :p
 

Zmouth

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PS. For the record, I have cheated no one, frauded nothing, and not hoarded wealth. I have given generously to both my church, and numerous parachurch organizations. There are numerous villages in Africa and Cambodia with clean wells, because my husband and have made a point of helping the truly poor and needy.
Sounds like the parable of the Pharisee and the publican in Luke 18

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I wonder what the OP has done to help those in third world countries who have nothing?
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: Luke 18:14

Justified by faith, sanctified by truth.
Psalms 139:8
 

Nehemiah6

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What has taken me by surprise is the number of Christ professing people who have bought into this march towards anarchy lock stock and barrel. People here defend hording riches, they defend cheating workers, they defend attacking and calling each other derogatory names, they rail against the the poor...
While there has been some attacking of others and calling them derogatory names, do you have any evidence of the rest of those charges?

And did you mean "The State of Christianity" or "The State of Christendom" rather than "The State of the world"? Scripture says that the whole world lieth in wickedness, which means that we should not be surprised if the world shows symptoms of evil. Every Christian has come out of "the world" and we are to be in the world but not of the world (acting like the world).
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Well, I for one get tired of some Americans looking around at what they don't like, and then applying it to the rest of the world. Jesus is going to come when he is ready, to right the wrongs, not when certain Americans don't like what is happening in their country.

In Canada, we have a prime minister who is as left wing as you can get. Trudeau is literally destroying our country economically. The sooner he is gone the better. He is an idiot, uneducated, and probably a closet Muslim. His brother makes films to support Palestine. His dad, Pierre Elliot, was a card carrying member of the communist party and best buddies with Castro. He brought in our first debt, which has continued to rise. With nothing to show for it.

But, I do not come onto the News Forum, predicting the immanent collapse of the world, or even western society, because we have a brain dead prime minister, who is a globalist intent on destroying Canada.

Americans have so little knowledge of the rest of the world! How dare the OP even title this to do with the "world" when in fact, he is speaking of his own little subset of American society. Even most Americans do not agree with him.

PS. For the record, I have cheated no one, frauded nothing, and not hoarded wealth. I have given generously to both my church, and numerous parachurch organizations. There are numerous villages in Africa and Cambodia with clean wells, because my husband and have made a point of helping the truly poor and needy. I wonder what the OP has done to help those in third world countries who have nothing?


well exactly

I 'accidentally' came across some site a couple of days ago (I have no clue how I got to it but anyway) there a bunch of 'prophets' on it predicting an immanent three (3) days of total darkness on the globe in which anyone outside of shelter will be killed. I mean this just goes on and on and on

I don't care if there are 400 of them, if you read the stuff they posted, it does not sound like the Holy Spirit at all. One thing for sure, God does not speak in half King James English and half modern day English

I guess someone lost their 'inspiration' half way through

what is it with people desiring calamity and death? isn't there enough of that in the world already?

blame is just not going to cut it no matter how you serve it
 

RickyZ

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Well, I for one get tired of some Americans looking around at what they don't like, and then applying it to the rest of the world. Jesus is going to come when he is ready, to right the wrongs, not when certain Americans don't like what is happening in their country.

In Canada, we have a prime minister who is as left wing as you can get. Trudeau is literally destroying our country economically. The sooner he is gone the better. He is an idiot, uneducated, and probably a closet Muslim. His brother makes films to support Palestine. His dad, Pierre Elliot, was a card carrying member of the communist party and best buddies with Castro. He brought in our first debt, which has continued to rise. With nothing to show for it.

But, I do not come onto the News Forum, predicting the immanent collapse of the world, or even western society, because we have a brain dead prime minister, who is a globalist intent on destroying Canada.

Americans have so little knowledge of the rest of the world! How dare the OP even title this to do with the "world" when in fact, he is speaking of his own little subset of American society. Even most Americans do not agree with him.

PS. For the record, I have cheated no one, frauded nothing, and not hoarded wealth. I have given generously to both my church, and numerous parachurch organizations. There are numerous villages in Africa and Cambodia with clean wells, because my husband and have made a point of helping the truly poor and needy. I wonder what the OP has done to help those in third world countries who have nothing?
I risked going to jail in Columbia for smuggling in money to buy food and medicines for a new church that was being established. For one. How dare you assume I have done nothing?

Too, the Bible tells us the WHOLE WORLD will be under the rule of the antichrist. So this is NOT just an American issue like you claim.

You DO know what you get when you assume things, right? Or is that just an American thing too?
 
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I risked going to jail in Columbia for smuggling in money to buy food and medicines for a new church that was being established. For one. How dare you assume I have done nothing?

Too, the Bible tells us the WHOLE WORLD will be under the rule of the antichrist. So this is NOT just an American issue like you claim.

You DO know what you get when you assume things, right? Or is that just an American thing too?
Is it right to break the law to feed the poor? Does the end justify the means?
 

Nehemiah6

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Is it right to break the law to feed the poor? Does the end justify the means?
There are times when it is right to break the law -- when God's law supersedes the laws of men (Acts 4:19). So if a despot was trying to starve out his people and made a law against feeding them, then it would be right to break that law.
 

maxwel

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Well, I for one get tired of some Americans looking around at what they don't like, and then applying it to the rest of the world. Jesus is going to come when he is ready, to right the wrongs, not when certain Americans don't like what is happening in their country.

In Canada, we have a prime minister who is as left wing as you can get. Trudeau is literally destroying our country economically. The sooner he is gone the better. He is an idiot, uneducated, and probably a closet Muslim. His brother makes films to support Palestine. His dad, Pierre Elliot, was a card carrying member of the communist party and best buddies with Castro. He brought in our first debt, which has continued to rise. With nothing to show for it.

But, I do not come onto the News Forum, predicting the immanent collapse of the world, or even western society, because we have a brain dead prime minister, who is a globalist intent on destroying Canada.

Americans have so little knowledge of the rest of the world! How dare the OP even title this to do with the "world" when in fact, he is speaking of his own little subset of American society. Even most Americans do not agree with him.

PS. For the record, I have cheated no one, frauded nothing, and not hoarded wealth. I have given generously to both my church, and numerous parachurch organizations. There are numerous villages in Africa and Cambodia with clean wells, because my husband and have made a point of helping the truly poor and needy. I wonder what the OP has done to help those in third world countries who have nothing?
Angela,
it would be greatly appreciated if you could fight with Ricky without disparaging all Americans in the process.

If you can't be nice to your southern cousins, I'm going to start talking trash about hockey and maple syrup.
 
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There are times when it is right to break the law -- when God's law supersedes the laws of men (Acts 4:19). So if a despot was trying to starve out his people and made a law against feeding them, then it would be right to break that law.
That dealt with preaching in the name of Jesus, not feeding the poor....Judas wanted to take the ointment, sell it and feed the poor...Jesus said you will always have the poor....and did not GOD use famine regularly to punitively punish nations, peoples and families because of a rejection of the word??
 

RickyZ

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I'm still waiting to read someone with these views. Most people here (I cannot say all) merely disagree with you as to which policy is wisest in the pursuit of justice and equity and there you go- attributing motive.

Let it be known I'm a classical liberal precisely because I believe those policies are best for all- rich and poor, male and female, white and non-white. I assert they arose from a revitalized Christian understanding of the world in the 1500's and 1600's. I think most on this forum hold to these truths for similar reasons.

I also think there is such thing as unjust enrichment via collusion with the government.

While I've never seen your economic program hammered out in detail (I only have an idea of what you're against policy-wise), it seems you are really into wage and price controls. Policies that would fail and lead (indeed they've led) to wider impoverishment if implemented despite the best intentions.

But I do not fancy you evil because of it. I don't think you're some sort of feudal socialist aristocrat looking to keep the poor serfs locked in a state of servitude. I cannot speak for how God will treat you when the Saints get their report card. I care very little about that. It's God's purview, not mine.
You are SO far off the mark my friend. Which is why it is so dangerous and unfair to make assumptions about people.
 

RickyZ

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AMEN...I said someone made an ignorant comment...he railed on me and accused me of calling them names...to be honest he rails on a lot of people and portrays himself as all that and a bag of righteous chips....
Pretty much everyone who voices a different opinion is told their ideas are stupid, ignorant, and 'listen pal'. I rail against patterns, not slip ups. And yes I am included on the list of offenders. But at least I know when I'm wrong.
 

RickyZ

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Is it right to break the law to feed the poor? Does the end justify the means?
When God's command trumps a countries commands, one should go with God, right? You wouldn't believe the miracle He pulled in this case to keep me out of a Colombian prison. I have to think that means it had His approval.
 

RickyZ

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There are times when it is right to break the law -- when God's law supersedes the laws of men (Acts 4:19). So if a despot was trying to starve out his people and made a law against feeding them, then it would be right to break that law.
Thank you