The Trump Phenomenon: Dry Run for the Antichrist

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RachelBibleStudent

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Amen to this, Sister. These anti-water-boarding folks are hypocrites to the very core. Waterboarding is not good enough to save the lives of patriots that they themselves do not know, but if their kids were in harms way, you know full well they'd use any means necessary to save their children. Total, unmitigated hypocrisy at its finest. I have more respect for mosquitos than hypocrites. At least mosquitos make no bones about their intentions. That's integrity. Hypocrites can learn a thing or two about integrity from mosquitoes for sure.
i never said i was opposed to waterboarding in principle...i simply hold that 'they deserve it' is not in itself a legitimate legal or moral justification for waterboarding...but trump is on the record as a supporter of waterboarding -even if it doesn't actually work- merely because 'they deserve it anyway'
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Wow. The man hasn't even won the primary and people already have judged his soul calling him the antichrist. Well ain't that just Christian. Why would trump ever have to stand before the judgement seat when CCers already did Gods job for him?
i suggest you try actually reading my essay...in it you will find this...

the purpose of this thread...in case anyone deliberately misunderstands...has not been to argue that donald trump is the antichrist...
i guess someone had to deliberately misunderstand anyway...

as for 'judging his soul'...i am not going to let some kind of religious political correctness prevent me from carrying out my christian responsibility of identifying and pointing out wolves in sheep's clothing...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Its really this simple...get on the Trump Train or get run over ...because its looks like he will be our next President and the wall will get built and Mexico will pay for it :)
the 'only poll you trust' says otherwise these days...

february 18th fox news poll...

clinton 47%
trump 42%

sanders 53%
trump 38%
 

Bookends

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in anticipation of trump supporters posting any iteration of the following in response to my points exposing trump as a phony christian...

'well obama is a muslim'
'carson is a seventh day adventist'
'romney was a mormon'
'sanders is a jew'
'hillary is asdfsgjhhsg'
'we are electing a president not a pastor'

my reply is that the crime isn't being non christian...the crime is lying about it...that is what makes him a deceiver...
I guess he'd fit right in then.
 
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If you honestly think trump even cares a lick about secularism youre deceiving yourself
He's the only one willing to stifle Islam. Only the muslim and secularist infidels have a problem with that.
 
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kaylagrl

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if it comes down to trump or clinton...then it comes down to a candidate who deserves to lose against a candidate who doesn't deserve to win...

do you seriously think trump is any better than hillary clinton? trump money has been one of the major clinton puppet strings for decades...trump is part of the reason the clintons have been able to do so much evil...

I cannot get over Hillary and Benghazi. Blaming the video then swearing up and down she didnt and calling the families of the dead liars. And thats just one of many reasons not to vote for Hillary. After the debate tonight, Trump may not hold all the cards. It was pretty wild.
 
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kaylagrl

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so merely because they have caused pain and death we get to cause pain to them?

this is a 'christian' response? really?

now if you or trump were saying that waterboarding actually works to gain useful information that could save american lives then that would be an entirely different debate...

however trump's argument is that even if it doesn't work they deserve it anyway...but if it doesn't work then it is just gratuitous torture motivated by revenge...

which is in no way a proposal that any real christian could ever support...

Quote "so merely because they have caused pain and death we get to cause pain to them?this is a 'christian' response? really?"

1 Samuel - 'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.
 

Elizabeth619

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i suggest you try actually reading my essay...in it you will find this...



i guess someone had to deliberately misunderstand anyway...

as for 'judging his soul'...i am not going to let some kind of religious political correctness prevent me from carrying out my christian responsibility of identifying and pointing out wolves in sheep's clothing...
i suggest you realize that my post wasn't directed specifically at you alone. If it was I would have said.



As far as pointing out wolves I'm pretty sure there are quite a few unchristian qualities in all the candidates. Not just trump. Pointing out ones sims while ignoring the sins of others is still hypocrisy.
After tonight's debate I'm pretty sure Cruz is only of the nastiest candidates out there. And I used to like him.
 

Elizabeth619

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i think you missed this part of post #1
I read it and also read where others were bashing trump. Not only in here but other threads. Rachael isn't the only one that has mentioned trump and the antichrist on CC. Of course isn't doesn't matter. Whoever wins the presidency will always be labeled the antichrist by some people. Then when they're term is over another antichrist will "rise"
 
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KimPetras

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Rubio threw some heavy punches at Trump tonight. He was the lesser of the 3 evils (Trump/Cruz/Rubio), but he earned some points with me after watching him out-Trump Trump.
 

PennEd

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i wouldn't exactly call Trumpeting "righteous" indignation.

no, i would never call it that at all.

and as far as respecting the constitution -- this guy is openly advocating not just torture that is forbidden by law and international treaty, but "much worse."
this from the guy who wants to (pretend) swear to be the #1 upholder of the law.

"our" sovereignty does not exist. God is sovereign. and mr Trump "does not bring God into that picture"

if you don't like Obama, this guy is 10x worse for the country than a populist centrist. Obama regards popular will, the rule of law, and cross-party compromise. Trump regards nothing but himself and his own power. he will lead us directly into war and ruin.
This post, with all it's incredible prevarications, is why people are flocking to Trump. How on earth can the poster with even manage with a shred of integrity say obama regards the rule of law, the popular will, and cross-party compromise. There are a myriad of issues that contradict that, but if we just take one, obamacare, he breaks all three of the listed qualities.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I simply can't believe someone would say that. Not to mention obama is COMPLETELY all about his own power and ego. This coming from a guy who in no way wants Trump.
 
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I have no problem with what took place. would you feel the same way if your favorite candidate responded accordingly?
And as far as the Washington Post goes . . .
Reality: Man poses threat to presidential candidate.
Washington Post: Trump is Racist!
That's liberal spin.
 
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i never said i was opposed to waterboarding in principle...
Glad to know this because if your family was in peril and I could save them by any means necessary, waterboarding would be the preamble to what awaited the perpetrators if they failed to comply.
 

Dude653

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Trump could water board the Pope and people would still vote for him. Funny how he was seen on worldwide TV stealing a woman's coat but people want to talk about integrity... you couldn't pay me to vote for Donald Trump as it goes against my morality. When Trump claims to be a Christian I guess he forgot about thour shalt not steal.
 

notuptome

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Trump could water board the Pope and people would still vote for him. Funny how he was seen on worldwide TV stealing a woman's coat but people want to talk about integrity... you couldn't pay me to vote for Donald Trump as it goes against my morality. When Trump claims to be a Christian I guess he forgot about thour shalt not steal.
And if Trump walked on water others would still hate him.

For the cause of Christ
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posthuman

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This post, with all it's incredible prevarications, is why people are flocking to Trump. How on earth can the poster with even manage with a shred of integrity say obama regards the rule of law, the popular will, and cross-party compromise. There are a myriad of issues that contradict that, but if we just take one, obamacare, he breaks all three of the listed qualities.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I simply can't believe someone would say that. Not to mention obama is COMPLETELY all about his own power and ego. This coming from a guy who in no way wants Trump.
'obamacare' is bipartisan compromise. Obama was in favor of single-payer - that's what he wanted congress to implement. he didn't implement it himself - he pressured congress to pass healthcare reform. that's respecting the rule of law. the American public overwhelmingly supported reforming healthcare. even today, if asked separately about things contained in the healthcare act, and not about the buzzword "obamacare," a large majority of Americans support things that are in it. that's respecting popular will.
he asked for single payer - but what we have instead is a mish-mash half-measure that came directly out of a Republican think tank and caters to insurance lobbies. that's bipartisan compromise. it came from congress - not the white house - and was subsequently gutted & hobbled by every means available to party-line republicans, to make sure as well as they could that it couldn't be successful, while at the same time their media outlets loudly and incessantly proclaimed that congress, the state legislatures & governors had nothing at all to do with the law and that it was completely Obama's baby.
the president asked for a hawk; they built a lame duck, branded it with his name, and have been chucking rocks at it for years ever since.

if Omaba was the "tyrant" that right-wing propaganda paints him to be, we would have a single payer universal healthcare system today, but we don't. my state still hasn't even set up the insurance market, so i'm exempt from the fine for being uninsured. we would have stricter gun control laws. but we don't. you can now carry on a train, in a bar, in national parks. i can buy a rifle off the side of the road with no check and no waiting period and no registration, any day of the week. Gitmo would be closed. it isn't. tens of thousands more Syrian refugees would be given shelter here. they aren't. there would be 478 billion dollars in public infrastructure projects repairing roads and bridges around the country. there aren't, because the GOP blocked that. because obstructionism and propaganda are what they do.


 

notuptome

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'obamacare' is bipartisan compromise. Obama was in favor of single-payer - that's what he wanted congress to implement. he didn't implement it himself - he pressured congress to pass healthcare reform. that's respecting the rule of law. the American public overwhelmingly supported reforming healthcare. even today, if asked separately about things contained in the healthcare act, and not about the buzzword "obamacare," a large majority of Americans support things that are in it. that's respecting popular will.
he asked for single payer - but what we have instead is a mish-mash half-measure that came directly out of a Republican think tank and caters to insurance lobbies. that's bipartisan compromise. it came from congress - not the white house - and was subsequently gutted & hobbled by every means available to party-line republicans, to make sure as well as they could that it couldn't be successful, while at the same time their media outlets loudly and incessantly proclaimed that congress, the state legislatures & governors had nothing at all to do with the law and that it was completely Obama's baby.
the president asked for a hawk; they built a lame duck, branded it with his name, and have been chucking rocks at it for years ever since.

if Omaba was the "tyrant" that right-wing propaganda paints him to be, we would have a single payer universal healthcare system today, but we don't. my state still hasn't even set up the insurance market, so i'm exempt from the fine for being uninsured. we would have stricter gun control laws. but we don't. you can now carry on a train, in a bar, in national parks. i can buy a rifle off the side of the road with no check and no waiting period and no registration, any day of the week. Gitmo would be closed. it isn't. tens of thousands more Syrian refugees would be given shelter here. they aren't. there would be 478 billion dollars in public infrastructure projects repairing roads and bridges around the country. there aren't, because the GOP blocked that. because obstructionism and propaganda are what they do.


Remind me just how many bi partisan votes did it get? Dingy Harry and Nancy walked it through a congress where the Dem majority rammed it down every ones throat.

Couldn't get the holy grail one payer system because the people didn't want it and they had to deceive the folks to get what they got. Remember you can't read it until we pass it?? Nancy promised you'd love it.

We all knew they could not deliver on this deal and that it would balloon the costs way beyond the projections. A complete web of lies.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Desdichado

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A good sign that Trump is winning is that the first 5 threads on this sub-forum are all about him.
 

PennEd

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'obamacare' is bipartisan compromise. Obama was in favor of single-payer - that's what he wanted congress to implement. he didn't implement it himself - he pressured congress to pass healthcare reform. that's respecting the rule of law. the American public overwhelmingly supported reforming healthcare. even today, if asked separately about things contained in the healthcare act, and not about the buzzword "obamacare," a large majority of Americans support things that are in it. that's respecting popular will.
he asked for single payer - but what we have instead is a mish-mash half-measure that came directly out of a Republican think tank and caters to insurance lobbies. that's bipartisan compromise. it came from congress - not the white house - and was subsequently gutted & hobbled by every means available to party-line republicans, to make sure as well as they could that it couldn't be successful, while at the same time their media outlets loudly and incessantly proclaimed that congress, the state legislatures & governors had nothing at all to do with the law and that it was completely Obama's baby.
the president asked for a hawk; they built a lame duck, branded it with his name, and have been chucking rocks at it for years ever since.

if Omaba was the "tyrant" that right-wing propaganda paints him to be, we would have a single payer universal healthcare system today, but we don't. my state still hasn't even set up the insurance market, so i'm exempt from the fine for being uninsured. we would have stricter gun control laws. but we don't. you can now carry on a train, in a bar, in national parks. i can buy a rifle off the side of the road with no check and no waiting period and no registration, any day of the week. Gitmo would be closed. it isn't. tens of thousands more Syrian refugees would be given shelter here. they aren't. there would be 478 billion dollars in public infrastructure projects repairing roads and bridges around the country. there aren't, because the GOP blocked that. because obstructionism and propaganda are what they do.


I often wonder how people can twist facts in their mind to the point that somehow they believe them.

NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR OBAMACARE! How on earth can you reckon in your mind that is compromise? To further illustrate how silly your argument is, since no republican voted for o-care, and it was passed entirely by democrats, and democrats led by obama want single payer, why didn't the DEMOCRATS pass the single payer YOU say they wanted, but instead passed o-care which not a single GOPer voted for!?

As for the rest of your post, pure anti-American, anti-constitution drivel.
 
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ramx2016

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SO We're ALL in for Trump then?
Excellent!

Let's Make American Great Again people! ...:p

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