This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?
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It won't... they know the civil libertarians will not let that happen.
I do not think it is the mark of the beast ... having said that.. I doubt I would get it.
This whole thing is China's revenge, the CCP asserting her political and economic dominance on the world stage.
Time for that government to crumble.
I do not think it is the mark of the beast ... having said that.. I doubt I would get it.
This whole thing is China's revenge, the CCP asserting her political and economic dominance on the world stage.
Time for that government to crumble.
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You become immune to the virus when you have a very mild case. People do not even know they are sick. Then your body produces antibodies and you become resistant. My father was a doctor for over 50 years and he never got sick enough to miss work. They were clean, in between patients the nurses were always cleaning. He washed his hands a lot. Even that was back when they would do surgery without gloves or mask so they had to wash real good. Infections was a big concern for them. Of course they had antibiotics and that help a lot. I do not remember them every using gloves or a mask. He had a enclave to sterilize all of his instruments. Even he use to sterilize his nail clippers. He could do some amazing things with those nail clippers. If he was out of the office he would use his nail clipper to remove stitches.
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Do you know what it means to be born-again?
Do you have that special relationship with the Creator through belief and faith in Him and His only-begotten Son - the Lord Jesus Christ?
(I don't mean to "put you on the spot"...)
If your answer is 'Yes!' then - wonderful!
If your answer is 'No' then - you need to rethink this whole thing.
The entire "corona virus universe" is not even anywhere near as important as having the right answer to the above questions.
I hope and pray that you can give the right answer...
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If the "there" you're referring to is Sweden, then obviously no its not 'business as usual'. In anticipation of the surge they prepared by having the miltiary build field hospitals as you mention, and mass treatment wards...they didn't bury their heads in the sand. Like many countries that locked down they're dealing with the outbreak. The big difference is that by keeping the economy going they're not adding to the misery by destroying the lives of millions of people.
Oh sure ....9% fatality rate of those infected .. that is an example to follow
Sweden has only tested about 5,400 per million of population...that's less than half what we're doing in Canada (~10,600) and here people are saying that's inadequate.....want to make your fatality rate look better than other jurisdictions, just do more tests so you can include people who's only illness is a case of the sniffles.
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I'm wondering EH if you even check anything before making claims as if they're facts. I have it backwards? South Korea's testing effort was HUGE?
I believe you regarded this worldmeters site as being reasonably accurate and trustworthy (I could be wrong, perhaps you don't).
If you check it you'll see that South Korea's level of testing is reported at 9,957 per million of population. Canada by contrast is reportedly somewhat higher, at 10,639.....
So calling S Korea's testing "huge" does not quite stand up to scrutiny unless you consider Canada's to be as well. And going back to Sweden, where about a week back they only first started to talk about possibly doing more tests on front line workers, not just those falling ill. In Sweden they're only testing 5,416 per million as per world meters.
So I don't actually have it backwards (if you trust worldmeter's reporting).....Sweden's fatlity rate is so high because of their lack of testing....as I mentioned, they're not identfying all those people with the sniffles who aren't falling sick or needing any care.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
One thing though has occured to me. Its long been known that, due to genetic factors (among other things) that those of African descent are more prone to Diabetes. When it comes to Coronaivirus, I'm wondering if perhaps Asians are less prone to falling seriously ill from Covid-19. I have heard that, in Sweden, the number of Somalis dying of covid-19 is disproportionately high. Likewise in Lousiana its being reported that blacks are making up about 70% of the deaths, while only being about 30% of the state's population....there could be other factors as well, such as socio-economic reasons, but I also think its possible that the novel coronavirus may be more lethal with certain racial/genetic groups.
Time will tell.
I believe you regarded this worldmeters site as being reasonably accurate and trustworthy (I could be wrong, perhaps you don't).
If you check it you'll see that South Korea's level of testing is reported at 9,957 per million of population. Canada by contrast is reportedly somewhat higher, at 10,639.....
So calling S Korea's testing "huge" does not quite stand up to scrutiny unless you consider Canada's to be as well. And going back to Sweden, where about a week back they only first started to talk about possibly doing more tests on front line workers, not just those falling ill. In Sweden they're only testing 5,416 per million as per world meters.
So I don't actually have it backwards (if you trust worldmeter's reporting).....Sweden's fatlity rate is so high because of their lack of testing....as I mentioned, they're not identfying all those people with the sniffles who aren't falling sick or needing any care.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
One thing though has occured to me. Its long been known that, due to genetic factors (among other things) that those of African descent are more prone to Diabetes. When it comes to Coronaivirus, I'm wondering if perhaps Asians are less prone to falling seriously ill from Covid-19. I have heard that, in Sweden, the number of Somalis dying of covid-19 is disproportionately high. Likewise in Lousiana its being reported that blacks are making up about 70% of the deaths, while only being about 30% of the state's population....there could be other factors as well, such as socio-economic reasons, but I also think its possible that the novel coronavirus may be more lethal with certain racial/genetic groups.
Time will tell.
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The more people tested, increases the ability to track and contain, this means a lower death rate that is how epidemiology works.
South Korea tested 20 000 per day at its height this is common knowledge
They tested just under 1% of their population
Population ...51 million people
South Korea did not shut down either.
They knew what to do, are always prepared and the population follows the protocols.
Sweden had no idea how to handle an outbreak.
Sorry but no one should hold them up as model ..they are not a model to follow by any means.
South Korea tested 20 000 per day at its height this is common knowledge
They tested just under 1% of their population
Population ...51 million people
South Korea did not shut down either.
They knew what to do, are always prepared and the population follows the protocols.
Sweden had no idea how to handle an outbreak.
Sorry but no one should hold them up as model ..they are not a model to follow by any means.
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Question: So are you saying that the numbers I'm seeing reported on the worldmeter's site are not trustworthy? That is a genuine question. I had been operating on the belief that, for the most part, that they are reliable.
I'm sure you know about the dangers of drawing cause and effect relationships and the problems that can arise. Just because B was preceded by A does not necessarily mean that A caused B. Likewise simply because S. Korea tested 1% of their population, leaving 99% untested and likely missing many asymptomatic cases, does not mean that it worked. It could also be, as I alluded to in my previous post, that perhaps there's a genetic factor at play with those of Asian background.....that might explain why China's numbers were also so low perhaps.
I'm not stating anything definitively here....as you and I both acknowledge, there's lots we don't know about this disease.
So Canada has tested at about the same rate S. Korea has....but you note that they tested "early" and often....but ultimately left 99% of the poulation untested.
As for Sweden....only time will tell. Perhaps its a poor analogy, but its the best I can come up with....I'm likening their strategy to pulling off a band-aid fast....while countries like Canada try to do it slowly. It stands to reason that Sweden's numbers will be higher at the start.....they didn't bury their heads in the sand, they prepared by having the miltary build field hopsitals and set up mass treatment centres in anticipation of a surge in cases.
I don't have your self assured certainty about what is right and wrong....I simply hope that when all is said and done that this doesn't end up as bad as what's seen during a harsh flu season, which would mean 600K+ deaths worldwide.
I'm sure you know about the dangers of drawing cause and effect relationships and the problems that can arise. Just because B was preceded by A does not necessarily mean that A caused B. Likewise simply because S. Korea tested 1% of their population, leaving 99% untested and likely missing many asymptomatic cases, does not mean that it worked. It could also be, as I alluded to in my previous post, that perhaps there's a genetic factor at play with those of Asian background.....that might explain why China's numbers were also so low perhaps.
I'm not stating anything definitively here....as you and I both acknowledge, there's lots we don't know about this disease.
So Canada has tested at about the same rate S. Korea has....but you note that they tested "early" and often....but ultimately left 99% of the poulation untested.
As for Sweden....only time will tell. Perhaps its a poor analogy, but its the best I can come up with....I'm likening their strategy to pulling off a band-aid fast....while countries like Canada try to do it slowly. It stands to reason that Sweden's numbers will be higher at the start.....they didn't bury their heads in the sand, they prepared by having the miltary build field hopsitals and set up mass treatment centres in anticipation of a surge in cases.
I don't have your self assured certainty about what is right and wrong....I simply hope that when all is said and done that this doesn't end up as bad as what's seen during a harsh flu season, which would mean 600K+ deaths worldwide.
9% of people infected
have died.
have died.
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