This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

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iamsoandso

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I can't read that article without subscribing, but I have seen reports on the small minority of people for whom Covid is serious and potentially deadly, how it attacks all manner of organs and tissue. Thankfully this is only a very small mintority of cases. In Canada 82% of deaths have been in Long Term Care facilities, which sadly is where people go when they're already old sick and dying.

According to my province's Long Term Care Association this is a snap shot of the people in these nursing home facilities:

  • 90% have some form of cognitive impairment
  • 86% of residents need extensive help with daily activities such as getting out of bed, eating, or toileting
  • 80% have neurological diseases
  • 76% have heart/circulation diseases
  • 64% have a diagnosis of dementia
  • 62% have musculoskeletal diseases such as arthritis and osteoporosis
  • 61% take 10 or more prescription medications
  • 40% need monitoring for an acute medical condition
  • 21% have experienced a stroke
If someone in an LTC gets Covid, I can see it attacking the lungs, heart, kidneys, brain, liver....you name it.

My province of Ontario has a population of abotu 14.5 million....comparable to a lot of American States. 95.5% of all deaths here are in people aged 60 or higher....and about 98% have some underlying health issue. I personally only know of one Covid case, a woman I went to high school with....she said it is the worst illness she's ever had, she likely got it while working as an RN in a LTC facility.....but she's also asthamtic, which all the science tells us is one of the conditions that can make Covid serious.....if she'd been 70+ years of age, given that she has asthma...then I think there's a strong chance it would have killed her.

The bottom line is Covid can be serious and potentially deadly, just not for the vast majority of the population.....the media wants us to think we're all compromised senior citizens.

Everything your saying is correct about what has happened so far. And it's good that you subscribe because the more you think though what your saying and what you read you will realize that the people who caught c-19 and recovered from it have underlying conditions caused by c-19 and when they catch it again will be in the same group you just described.
 
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Everything your saying is correct about what has happened so far. And it's good that you subscribe because the more you think though what your saying and what you read you will realize that the people who caught c-19 and recovered from it have underlying conditions caused by c-19 and when they catch it again will be in the same group you just described.
The fortunate thing is that most people don't need to recover, because the symptoms are either incredibly mild, or completely non-existant. Tennis play Noval Djokovic (sp?) tested positive, and 10 days later tested negative....and never got sick, that's the case for perhaps 80% of all cases as per the CDC.

In Canada we're due to have some test results by mid July analyzing blood samples for traces of antibodies....the consensus view is that instead of a little over 100,000 cases that have been confirmed so far, that the real number is likely at least 1 million and perhaps as high as 2 million. That's been the story in other places....that the number of identified cases is only 5 or 10% of the real total. Why are so many cases being missed? Because Covid isn't making them sick.....
 

iamsoandso

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The fortunate thing is that most people don't need to recover, because the symptoms are either incredibly mild, or completely non-existant. Tennis play Noval Djokovic (sp?) tested positive, and 10 days later tested negative....and never got sick, that's the case for perhaps 80% of all cases as per the CDC.

In Canada we're due to have some test results by mid July analyzing blood samples for traces of antibodies....the consensus view is that instead of a little over 100,000 cases that have been confirmed so far, that the real number is likely at least 1 million and perhaps as high as 2 million. That's been the story in other places....that the number of identified cases is only 5 or 10% of the real total. Why are so many cases being missed? Because Covid isn't making them sick.....

Yes indeed it is fortunate that many who catch it recover from it. What it does according to the autopsies is that it does a certain amount of damage to the internal organs of who caught it, and so each time a person catches it the more likely they are of not surviving it. The younger ones are catching it now and dying do you think that they had caught it before and had damaged organs from when they were asymptomatic ?
 

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Mask mandates are a big issue now from what I've heard. I hate masks because they're never comfortable and in this summer heat it gets incredibly hot between the nose and mouth that is covered. No matter the mask material.
Flu virus is transmitted through the air and on surfaces. Wouldn't masks help the spread? As people venture to and fro if the virus is on the mask isn't it just getting a ride into areas where it can infect more people?
 

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Mask mandates are a big issue now from what I've heard. I hate masks because they're never comfortable and in this summer heat it gets incredibly hot between the nose and mouth that is covered. No matter the mask material.
Flu virus is transmitted through the air and on surfaces. Wouldn't masks help the spread? As people venture to and fro if the virus is on the mask isn't it just getting a ride into areas where it can infect more people?

It depends on how clean you keep yourself, don't touch it and either take it off and trow it away or wash it in bleach.
 

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It depends on how clean you keep yourself, don't touch it and either take it off and trow it away or wash it in bleach.
Sure, but that all happens after wearing the mask many hours throughout the day and mixing with many different people in different places.
It's disgusting to see disposable masks thrown out in parking lots and on sidewalks here. One store has gotten to the point where they have waste receptacle's at their exit with a sign for mask disposal. And one store has a cart concierge'. It's so silly. This guy stands there wiping down the handles of carts using the same rag, and then pushes the newest cart out for the latest customer to take shopping.

Not a lot of common sense in this thing that's going on now.
 

iamsoandso

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Sure, but that all happens after wearing the mask many hours throughout the day and mixing with many different people in different places.
It's disgusting to see disposable masks thrown out in parking lots and on sidewalks here. One store has gotten to the point where they have waste receptacle's at their exit with a sign for mask disposal. And one store has a cart concierge'. It's so silly. This guy stands there wiping down the handles of carts using the same rag, and then pushes the newest cart out for the latest customer to take shopping.

Not a lot of common sense in this thing that's going on now.
Me and my wife make a pan of bleach water and squeeze a couple of washrags out and take them to town in a zip lock bag to wipe things down with. The mask we take and put in the bleach/h20 and then rinse them and hang them to dry. Only touch the mask by the straps not the part you breath through. Stick your hands in the bleach water to sterilize them and use hand lotion.
 

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Wanted to add that now that they're available again, we buy those packages of antibacterial cleansing wipes and carry with us to do the same thing. Wipe surfaces, and such.
We have small zip lock baggie that we put the used one in to throw them away at the end of the day.
 

iamsoandso

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Wanted to add that now that they're available again, we buy those packages of antibacterial cleansing wipes and carry with us to do the same thing. Wipe surfaces, and such.
We have small zip lock baggie that we put the used one in to throw them away at the end of the day.

I agree try not to catch it at all let alone again and again.
 

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I haven't heard that till now. Where did you find that information? I'd be interested if you can share it.
From reading a lot, bookworm syndrome,lol Houston is testing a type of breathing treatment for the nurses,doctors ect. to take at the beginning of their shifts that activate their antibodies to help them not catch it. It begins to work in minutes because it is breathed in through a nebulizer. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bu...rs-test-lung-inhalant-that-could-15151348.php
 

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If you search "antibodies covid19 how long will it last" you'll find it varies in time,at times up to 2 3 months but they debate how effective it is with time.
 

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Note: None of this post is in support for/against the subject matter, by the by, just with regard to the "disagree" reaction. I know it frustrates me personally when someone won't tell me why as I feel as though that is less productive. Up to whomever is reading of course, but I figured I'd throw out a neutral perspective.


If someone doesn't respond to quoting then that's on them. I suppose it's helpful in at least showing a solid dissenting opinion but I find it helpful to give feedback on specifically why...particularly if I'm on the receiving end.

Simply because there are people that can indeed learn from when they are in error (even on the internet) I don't find that statement that "Everyone's mind is made up on the internet" to be accurate. It's not true from my own perspective. I'm still growing in my own views and occasionally the Lord does a complete "rework" in certain areas.

Now if someone is entirely unwilling to accept feedback then a reaction may help another reader or guest to give pause for deeper thought on where they stand if they are looking for consensus/agreement or disagreement

I get that when someone is perceived as having totally contrary views that it would be exhausting to respond, but I rarely find that to be the case...there is usually some common ground somewhere, especially when we presumably should all have the same focus, though of course indirect foci are different for each person (leastways rarely are people completely aligned across the spectrum).
All great points. Generally, the ones I don't respond to are the paid shills/trolls who will never change their posted opinions unless someone can first stop their paychecks, and the totally communised (e.g. while Communists are rampaging across America and burning things down, these believe it's not violence "because of racism"). Both types are a waste of time responding to (not to mention reading), so the red "x" is well used on such types.
 
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Antibodies only stay in you ten to fourteen days after c-19 though so be careful with it.
We are typically immune to a virus for about two years sometimes shorter sometimes longer.
Not sure where you read this, sometimes if we have had a light exposure to the virus our bodies do not create enough antibodies so that we have immunity.
With this novel virus doctors have yet to determine how long immunity lasts.
 

Moses_Young

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The linked is a good article on the lies of the corona scam from an insider in the UK. But he can't give his name, because he may lose his job. Those supportive of this scam can't see that once freedom of speech is gone (and it is, as people are losing their jobs for speaking the truth), we can't trust the government about anything.

https://davidicke.com/2020/07/11/nhs-consultant-on-the-truth-behind-the-covid-pandemic/

"I am a consultant at a major, regional hospital in Surrey. By major you can take that to indicate that we have an A&E department. I had agreed to give an interview to an anti lockdown activist in which I would have revealed my identity. I have since changed my mind and only feel able to give an anonymous statement.

I have changed my mind simply because that all staff , no matter what grade, at all hospitals have been warned that if they give any media interviews at all or make any statements to either the Main Stream Press or smaller, independent press/social media we may immediately be suspended without pay. I have a family, dependents and I simply can’t do it to them. I therefore cannot reveal my identity at this time but wish to state as follows:

In my opinion, and that of many of my colleagues, there has been no Covid Pandemic, certainly not in the Surrey region and I have heard from other colleagues this picture is the same throughout the country. Our hospital would normally expect to see around 350,000 outpatients a year. Around 95,000 patients are admitted to hospital in a normal year and we would expect to see around a similar figure, perhaps 100,000 patients pass through our A&E department. In the months from March to June (inclusive) we would normally expect to see 100,000 outpatients, around 30,000 patients admitted to hospital and perhaps 30,000 pass through A&E. This year (and these figures are almost impossible to get hold of) we are over 95% down on all those numbers. In effect, the hospital has been pretty much empty for that entire period.

At the start, staff that questioned this were told that we were being used as ‘redundant’ capacity, kept back for the ‘deluge’ we were told would come. It never did come, and when staff began to question this, comments like, ‘for the greater good’ and to ‘protect the NHS’ came down from above. Now it’s just along the lines of, ‘Shut up or you don’t get paid’.

The few Covid cases that we have had get repeatedly tested, and every single test counted as a new case. Meaning the figures reported back to ONS/PHE (Office for National Statistics & Public Health England) were almost exponentially inflated. It could be that Covid cases reported by hospitals are between 5 to 10x higher than the real number of cases. There has been no pandemic and this goes a long way to explain why figures for the UK are so much higher than anywhere else in Europe.

The trust has been running empty ambulances during lockdown and is still doing it now. By this I mean ambulances are driving around, with their emergency alert systems active (sirens & / or lights) with no job to go to. This I believe has been to give the impression to the public that there is more demand for ambulances than there actually is. Staff only wear face coverings/masks & social distance when public facing, as soon as they are out of public view, the masks come off and social distancing is not observed. Indeed jokes are made about the measures, and I have heard staff express amazement that despite warnings on packets and at point of sales, telling people masks are totally ineffective and dangerous, the public still buy them, because a politician has told them too.

We have cancelled the vast majority of operations and of these ALL elective surgery has been cancelled. That’s surgery that has been pre planned/waiting list. Non elective surgery, this tends to be emergency surgery or that which is deemed urgent has been severely curtailed. The outcome of this is simple. People are at best being denied basic medical care and at worst being left to die, in some cases in much distress and pain.

Regarding death certification. All staff that are responsible for this have been encouraged where possible to put Covid-19 complications as reason for death, even though the patient may have been asymptomatic and also not even tested for Covid. I feel this simply amounts to fraudulently completed death certificates and has been responsible to grossly inflating the number of Covid deaths.

The fact is that regardless of what you actually die of in hospital, it is likely that Covid-19 will feature on your death certificate. I have included with my statement the detailed published guidance from Government on Death Certification which shows how Covid-19, as a factor is encouraged to at least feature on a death certificate. Remember Covid-19 itself cannot kill. What kills is complications from the virus, typically pneumonia like symptoms. These complications are in reality incredibly rare but have featured and a large amount of death certificates issued in recent months. As long as Covid-19 appears on a death certificate, that death is counted as Covid-19 in the figures released by the ONS and PHE. I genuinely believe that many death certificates, especially amongst the older 65+ demographic have been fraudulently completed so as to be counted as Covid-19 deaths when in reality Covid-19 complications did not cause the death.

There have been Thursday nights when I stood, alone in my office and cried as I heard people cheering and clapping outside. It sickens me to see all the ‘Thank You NHS’ signs up everywhere and the stolen rainbow that for me now says one word and word only; Fear.

There are many good people in the NHS and whilst I do not plead forgiveness for myself, I do plead for them. Most are on low pay, they joined for the right reasons and I did and have been bullied and threatened that if they don’t ‘stay on message’ they don’t eat. I know that if a way could be found to assure staff within the NHS of safety against reprisals, there would be a tsunami of whistleblowers which I have no doubt would help end this complete and brutal insanity.

I am finding it increasingly hard to live with what I have been involved in and I am sorry this has happened. To end, I would simply say this. Politicians haven’t changed, the country has just made a fatal mistake and started trusting them without question."