This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

[iamsoandso]

We are typically immune to a virus for about two years sometimes shorter sometimes longer.
Not sure where you read this, sometimes if we have had a light exposure to the virus our bodies do not create enough antibodies so that we have immunity.
With this novel virus doctors have yet to determine how long immunity lasts.

I agree others may last 1 to 4 years and the only thing they know of c-19 is it is short lived. https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/studies-report-rapid-loss-of-covid-19-antibodies-67650 https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.o...-some-context-for-fielding-patient-questions/

 

[EleventhHour]

I agree others may last 1 to 4 years and the only thing they know of c-19 is it is short lived. https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/studies-report-rapid-loss-of-covid-19-antibodies-67650 https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.o...-some-context-for-fielding-patient-questions/

The virus has not been around long enough in individuals to know how long immunity will last. It will take years and research.

 

[iamsoandso]

The virus has not been around long enough in individuals to know how long immunity will last. It will take years and research.

Yes so far their studies make them think the antibodies fade quickly https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...udy-antibodies-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly and so reinfection is also debated as to if they are reinfected or if they still test positive from the first infection https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-covid-experts-ponder-odds-reinfection.html ... I think it's best to never catch it,don't catch it again and again until they know more about the antibodies because if these are reinfections and c-19 is causing damage to their organs then each time it is caught would lesson the chance of survival.

 

[soggykitten]

From reading a lot, bookworm syndrome,lol Houston is testing a type of breathing treatment for the nurses,doctors ect. to take at the beginning of their shifts that activate their antibodies to help them not catch it. It begins to work in minutes because it is breathed in through a nebulizer. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bu...rs-test-lung-inhalant-that-could-15151348.php

That's amazing! In the works for a decade now too. That's a whole new defense against pathogens. Thank you for sharing that here. It will likely give many readers peace and hope during this time. Thanks again. Love, SG.
Pulmotect’s drug works by stimulating a thin layer of tissue that lines the inside of the lungs and training it to be hostile to invading pathogens. It differs from most vaccines because its effect is almost immediate, but temporary, while vaccines can take weeks to develop antibodies that can fight infections but that last for years, if not lifetimes.

 

[soggykitten]

here's another or search pull-42 https://abc13.com/covid-19-covid-coronavirus-pandemic/6160460/

To think this has been in the research phase years prior to the outbreak of Coronavirus Covid-19.
"We've tested about a dozen different bacteria things like anthrax, the plague, staph. We've tested on multiple viral settings - influenza, influenza A, influenza B, pandemic flu, and actually we're one of the few companies, that I know of, that have data against other coronaviruses, SARS and MERS. So, we have already demonstrated it works well in animals and we have safety data in humans and so now, we want to show it works well against this coronavirus in humans," said Scott.

I wonder if the body can build an immune defense against such an inhalant? I would think after awhile the body would respond to inhaling something other than air. Because this treatment isn't a one time thing. I wonder how would it carry on to protect over a long period of the body being exposed to the properties of this inhalant?

 

[EleventhHour]

Yes so far their studies make them think the antibodies fade quickly https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...udy-antibodies-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly and so reinfection is also debated as to if they are reinfected or if they still test positive from the first infection https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-covid-experts-ponder-odds-reinfection.html ... I think it's best to never catch it,don't catch it again and again until they know more about the antibodies because if these are reinfections and c-19 is causing damage to their organs then each time it is caught would lesson the chance of survival.

Well there is much to be alarmed about with this virus for sure... especially that it can attack all the organs of the boy.
Re-infection and lingering infection are definitely a concern. I still feel it is too early to have solid research. The research you cited a very small sample size.

I have read in the research also that re-infection is worse than the first time around which is also concerning.

I really do share your concern, this virus is here for the long haul and as people continue to be reckless and go in about their individual liberties and yet abandoning the better understanding that liberty comes with corporate responsibility I fear the long haul will be long indeed for some areas.

There are so many unknowns and not this is not like a seasonal flu virus.

Make note at the end of the article.

The study did not address cellular immunity to COVID-19—that is, immune responses involving T-cells rather than antibodies. Some previous studies have found SARS-CoV–specific T-cells in high percentages of convalescent COVID-19 patients.

 

[iamsoandso]

That's amazing! In the works for a decade now too. That's a whole new defense against pathogens. Thank you for sharing that here. It will likely give many readers peace and hope during this time. Thanks again. Love, SG.
Pulmotect’s drug works by stimulating a thin layer of tissue that lines the inside of the lungs and training it to be hostile to invading pathogens. It differs from most vaccines because its effect is almost immediate, but temporary, while vaccines can take weeks to develop antibodies that can fight infections but that last for years, if not lifetimes.

your welcome.

 

[iamsoandso]

To think this has been in the research phase years prior to the outbreak of Coronavirus Covid-19.
"We've tested about a dozen different bacteria things like anthrax, the plague, staph. We've tested on multiple viral settings - influenza, influenza A, influenza B, pandemic flu, and actually we're one of the few companies, that I know of, that have data against other coronaviruses, SARS and MERS. So, we have already demonstrated it works well in animals and we have safety data in humans and so now, we want to show it works well against this coronavirus in humans," said Scott.

I wonder if the body can build an immune defense against such an inhalant? I would think after awhile the body would respond to inhaling something other than air. Because this treatment isn't a one time thing. I wonder how would it carry on to protect over a long period of the body being exposed to the properties of this inhalant?

I think if their working with it in Houston they will have more information afterwards and so I am watching myself to see.

 

[iamsoandso]

Well there is much to be alarmed about with this virus for sure... especially that it can attack all the organs of the boy.
Re-infection and lingering infection are definitely a concern. I still feel it is too early to have solid research. The research you cited a very small sample size.

I have read in the research also that re-infection is worse than the first time around which is also concerning.

I really do share your concern, this virus is here for the long haul and as people continue to be reckless and go in about their individual liberties and yet abandoning the better understanding that liberty comes with corporate responsibility I fear the long haul will be long indeed for some areas.

There are so many unknowns and not this is not like a seasonal flu virus.

Make note at the end of the article.

The study did not address cellular immunity to COVID-19—that is, immune responses involving T-cells rather than antibodies. Some previous studies have found SARS-CoV–specific T-cells in high percentages of convalescent COVID-19 patients.

Yes there are still many unknowns I suppose that the current upswing in cases in the younger population will give more answers about the IgG seronegative/seoposative and did note that the article only covered that. I tried to find information from NY and found https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/s...sworth-centers-assay-for-sars-cov-2-igg_1.pdf which seems to confirm that there is still a lot they are still finding out. I agree that it is in the best if everyone avoid getting this at all first,second,third time ect. until they do know the answer to the antibody/vaccine issue. To err on the side of caution I wear mask,social distance ect.

 

[soggykitten]

Brace Yourself: In 2018 the Flu Put More of a Strain on U.S. Hospitals Than COVID-19 Has (Fauci Still at Large)

I'm growing to like RedState reporting. https://www.redstate.com/diaries-list/

Maybe because I so wish I lived in one.

 

[soggykitten]

I thought this may be good news here too.
Idiots Guide To Fake Coronavirus Data

I'm not shocked by this actually. Why would fake news stop at pandemic?

 

[EleventhHour]

Yes there are still many unknowns I suppose that the current upswing in cases in the younger population will give more answers about the IgG seronegative/seoposative and did note that the article only covered that. I tried to find information from NY and found https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/s...sworth-centers-assay-for-sars-cov-2-igg_1.pdf which seems to confirm that there is still a lot they are still finding out. I agree that it is in the best if everyone avoid getting this at all first,second,third time ect. until they do know the answer to the antibody/vaccine issue. To err on the side of caution I wear mask,social distance ect.

Yes of course we need to, I know two people in the early forties and they were quite ill, took a full month to recover.
They were so short of breathe they could only utter THREE words at a time, they were in constant pain both lungs inflamed (not infected like a flu), fever, lethargy fact they were told by their doctor when they could only utter ONE word to get straight to a hospital.

Fortunately they both recovered and did not require hospitalization.

 

[Susanna]

I am truly surprised when people refuse to admit that there is a Corona pandemic flu. It’s really laughable wasn’t it for the fact that they are ruining the fight against the disease🤦‍♀️.

I hope they will soon see how many lives that are destroyed by this pandemic flu, and that they, by denying the disease is part of the problem.

 

[Lanolin]

well its like alcholics. You cant reason with people with their head in the gutter.

 

[GaryA]

well its like alcholics. You cant reason with people with their head in the gutter.

perhaps a good illustration -- but, in this situation, the "reverse" makes more sense - you can't reason with people when their minds are so deeply caught up in and being controlled by fear - "drunk" on the propaganda "teat" of the "establishment" that is feeding them lies...

You gotta let go folks - and search for truth - because, what you are being fed is anything but...

 

[Susanna]

perhaps a good illustration -- but, in this situation, the "reverse" makes more sense - you can't reason with people when their minds are so deeply caught up in and being controlled by fear - "drunk" on the propaganda "teat" of the "establishment" that is feeding them lies...

GaryA! You’re obviously part of the problem as well.

 

[Lanolin]

thing is people dont really know how media works, if they did they know you cant silence it and that freedom of the press can be a good thing. Back in Jesus day media was word of mouth about Jesus and still people didnt believe.

in the 1900s people were burning printing presses because people spoke out about injustices.

 

[GaryA]

GaryA! You’re obviously part of the problem as well.

No darlin' - I am part of the solution...

 

[Absolutely]

 

[maryjohanna]

I have barely even read the contents of this chat only because I simply want to respond to the original question as is and share what is on my heart relating to this issue. My opinion will probably be the least popular one and people may dislike me for it, but I am saying it in hopes that people will understand what is truly at the heart of our current situation, COVID-19.

I understand why people are worried during this crazy time. I get why people are nervous and anxious about how this situation will play out. I can see why and how many Americans, particularly Christians, are concerned about the handling of this issue and whether or not it is being approached in a Godly manner. We are called to test all deeds (Ephesians 5:11), be aware of the times (Matt. 25:13), and question all that comes our way (1 John 4:11).

HOWEVER, as Jesus-loving, God-fearing, Bible-reading individuals, we are equally called to live lives of sacrifice (Ephesians 5:1-2) that IMBUE of salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)...not when it is easy, but when it is hard (aka times like today, Coronavirus). I have been so shocked to see individuals who align themselves with those ideals complain about having to wear a mask for the sake of protecting others, complain about THEIR freedoms being taken away when countless have lost their lives and suffered from the illness, and shake their heads at ideas that only exist to help and resolve the deathly issue at hand. Where has the order and call of Christ to love, care, and aid to others gone? Where is the compassion, people? What happened to the Church? I have spoken to acquaintances of mine who know "Christians" that call this all fake, a scam, a hoax, and complain about doing things that are simply protective measures. I am not saying everyone here holds that view, but if you do, I truly am praying for you. I ask that God will plant within you a heart and spirit of kindness and sympathy. I urge you to go say those things and express YOUR concerns for YOUR freedom to the families who have lost loved ones from this pandemic. Because it is real... for many people. It is real for the nurses/doctors who God has placed on the frontlines to witness the struggles firsthand. It is real for the parents that see their children laying unconscious on a hospital bed, unable to breathe on their own. It is real for young children who lose parents or grandparents over a disease people are saying is... fake and taking away everyone's freedoms? Wow.

I have read that many Christians are of the belief that a vaccine or something along those lines are what could lead to being the Mark referred to in Revelation ~ I have heard many say that they believe this is the world and government's way of trying to suppress, control, and manipulate us. I have read comments that we all shouldn't fall for this and we should be awake because this is clearly a birth pain. If you truly feel like the Holy Spirit has led you to believe this, fine. But do NOT abandon your duty as a Christ-follower to love, care for, and give back in any way that you can. SHOW COMPASSION, regardless of what the heck you think is going. Christ told us Himself NOBODY knows the time. NOBODY. (Matthew 24:36) So, instead of stressing over whether COVID-19 is such a burden on your life and freedom, live how Jesus lived. Live how He told you to. Reach out to people. Build relationships. Volunteer. Do something in the meantime to build people up and show them CHRIST.

Be prepared, keep your eyes open, but do not let these theories and ideas get in the way of how we are supposed to live according to Scripture and God's instruction. 1 Thessalonians 5, verse 21, tells us to test everything, but also hold fast to what is good. Goodness is Christ, the One who showed us what it means to live for others in love.

Make those sacrifices, even if it means going a while without getting highlights in your hair, eating out less, or obeying what your Governor asks and tells you to do for the sake of keeping people safe. Even if it is a tactic of control, at least you can say you did your part in a Godly manner with the wellbeing of others on your heart and mind. You can do those things and make those sacrifices without being led by the wolves. Wear a mask, for goodness sake. Social distance. DO YOUR PART TO PROTECT PEOPLE AND YOURSELF, without complaining and grumbling about why it is you're doing it. Do it for the Lord and out of respect for other people. It isn't about anyone trying to tell you what to do, it is just about trying to keep people safe. Make the effort to care for people, even if you don't know them, and love others during this time of true division. We shouldn't be adding to it; we should be trying to heal it.

There is a balance between living blindly (which many will probably say I'm doing & I absolutely am not) and continuing to act as Christ-like as you can (through prayer) while also seeing it all with an open heart and mind (that aligns with Scripture).

Please everyone ~ do your part to be the light of this world because it is SO DARK right now. The world needs us.

God bless and I hope ALL of you stay safe and healthy.