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If Trump left the Republican Party, which would you be?


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HillsboroMom

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Someone thinks this is funny, when it is extremely serious. America is quickly being turned into a Communist state as well as a third world country, and there is little or no proper response (push back) to this drastic destruction of the USA. All dissent is being shut down, and the DOJ and FBI have become Gestapo thugs. You can be as lawless as you want, as long as you are black, or coming across the border illegally. Police are being defunded and attacked and killed daily, and this is taken as a matter of course. And some police are even defending and protecting BLM and Antifa.
You don't even know which side you're on. This would be funny if it weren't so tragic.
 

GaryA

Truth, Honesty, Love, Courage
Aug 10, 2019
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I very much appreciate you posting articles like this to better-inform others --- so, please don't take the following to be against you in any way. I just want to take this opportunity to express what I think about something that I have noticed increasing exponentially (it seems) that I am very much concerned about.

Any website that would purport itself to be a bastion of truth by/in reporting the truth to others - should never do anything to prevent or delay anyone's access to that truth.

Any web site that will show you the first few paragraphs of an article - and then - block the rest of the article unless and until you "sign up" in some way.

I have NO respect whatsoever for any organization that will pull a stunt like this - [especially] in the name of truth no less!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

If you have to identify someone before you are willing to tell them the truth - something is very wrong somewhere.

To me, this is a red flag!

In most-if-not-all cases, it means someone wants to identify/track you.

Signing up with the web site should always be an open option.

When it happens, I usually decide right then to boycott/ignore the site - "from now until"...

I absolutely despise this kind of thing which is getting more and more prevalent as time passes.
 

HillsboroMom

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[QUOTE="GaryA, post: 4552838, member: 287815"

Any web site that will show you the first few paragraphs of an article - and then - block the rest of the article unless and until you "sign up" in some way.[/QUOTE]

It also makes the "truth" they claim highly suspect. It doesn't mean it's wrong necessarily, but it certainly makes me question everything from them.
 

SophieT

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Dec 9, 2020
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Trump raised taxes on the middle class.


Trump increased government


Trump weakened the military.


Trump reduced freedoms


This is meaningless. "Republican values are conservative values" is a stupid thing to say. It's circular.

And besides that, the first 4 things you listed, Trump has done the opposite.

So, 0/5. Next?

you need to make better friends with the truth

speaking of truth and taking a line from your own closet of push back responses, kindly provide proof of your above statements

otherwise, what you say is meaningless
 

ResidentAlien

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Apr 21, 2021
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i dont get this at all

Trump's past life did NOT keep him from enacting sound and reasonable and NEEDED policies...
Yes, he governed effectively as far as policy goes. But what really troubles me is your apparent inability to see that as Christians we have a responsibility that goes beyond secular policy. It reflects the mindset of a tremendous number of people calling themselves Christian. Does what I'm saying even register?
 

Truth7t7

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May 19, 2020
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Name one thing Trump did to save an unborn life?
President Trump’s Record on Life
● March 9, 2020 ● UNCATEGORIZED
Judicial Appointments: 187
U.S. Supreme Court: 2
President Trump has appointed Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh to the U.S. Supreme Court. These appointments are consistent with the belief that federal courts should enforce rights based on the text and history of the Constitution.
Lower Courts:
Total judges confirmed: 185
Circuit judges: 50
District judges: 133
Other: 2
Promise to Veto Legislation that Threatens Pro-life Policy
In January of 2019, when pro-abortion Democrats took control of the House of Representatives, President Trump issued a letter stating, “I am concerned that this year, the Congress may consider legislation that could substantially change federal policies and laws on abortion, and allow taxpayer dollars to be used for the destruction of human life. I will veto any legislation that weakens current pro-life federal policies and laws, or that encourages the destruction of innocent human life at any stage.”
Promise to Sign Pro-life Initiatives
In order to communicate the Administration’s support or opposition to legislation to Congress, an Administration often issues a “Statement of Administration Policy” or SAP. A SAP is a strong public statement from the President’s advisors stating whether they would recommend to the President that he should sign or veto legislation into law, should it pass.
In addition to President Trump’s publicly stated support for protecting babies capable of feeling pain, a SAP was issued saying the President’s advisors would recommend that he sign the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. This legislation extends protection to unborn children who are at least 20 weeks because by this point in development (and probably earlier), the unborn have the capacity to experience excruciating pain during typical abortion procedures.
Similar vows to sign, if passed, were issued for 1. The No-Taxpayer Funding for Abortion and Abortion Insurance Full Disclosure Act of 2019 which would permanently prohibit any federal program from funding elective abortion and 2. The Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act which would extend federal legal protection to babies who are born alive during an abortion.
President Trump Attends the March for Life
On January 25th, 2020, President Trump became the first sitting president to address the annual March for Life in person.
In his remarks, he stated:
All of us here today understand an eternal truth: Every child is a precious and sacred gift from God. Together, we must protect, cherish, and defend the dignity and sanctity of every human life….And from the first day in office, I’ve taken a historic action to support America’s families and to protect the unborn. And during my first week in office, I reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy, and we issued a landmark pro-life rule to govern the use of Title X taxpayer funding. I notified Congress that I would veto any legislation that weakens pro-life policies or that encourages the destruction of human life. At the United Nations, I made clear that global bureaucrats have no business attacking the sovereignty of nations that protect innocent life. Unborn children have never had a stronger defender in the White House.
Stopping Tax Dollars from Funding Abortion Internationally
In January 2017, President Trump reinstated the long-standing “Mexico City Policy,” and expanded it under the “Protecting Life in Global Health Assistance” program. The Mexico City Policy prevents tax funds from being given to organizations that perform abortions or lobby to change the abortion laws of host countries. Originally established by President Ronald Reagan in 1984, the Mexico City Policy ensures that “U.S. support for family planning programs is based on respect for human life, enhancement of human dignity, and strengthening of the family.”
The expanded policy prevents $9 billion in foreign aid from being used to fund the global abortion industry.
In 2019, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo closed what had become a loophole. Foreign non-governmental organizations (NGO) are now required to confirm that they are not passing U.S. funds along to other organizations that still promote abortion.
On September 24th, 2019, in what was a first for a sitting U.S. president, President Trump spoke directly at the U.N. about the issue of abortion. He said,
“Americans will also never tire of defending innocent life. We are aware that many United Nations projects have attempted to assert a global right to taxpayer-funded abortion on demand, right up until the moment of delivery. Global bureaucrats have absolutely no business attacking the sovereignty of nations that wish to protect innocent life. Like many nations here today, we in America believe that every child, born and unborn, is a sacred gift from God.”
Defunding Planned Parenthood
President Trump supports directing funding away from Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion provider. In a September 2016 letter to pro-life leaders, he noted that “I am committed to…defunding Planned Parenthood as long as they continue to perform abortions, and re-allocating their funding to community health centers that provide comprehensive health care for women.”
In January 2020, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) within HHS approved a Texas Medicaid waiver to fund the Healthy Texas Women Program. This program provides family planning services while excluding abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood. Texas submitted a similar waiver request in 2011, but the Obama Administration denied it. In 2013, the Healthy Texas Women Program lost all federal funding because of its pro-life policy. From 2013 until now, the Texas governor relied solely on state dollars to fully fund Texas’s Medicaid family planning program. On January 22, 2020, the Trump Administration approved the waiver request and reinstated the funding.
Stemming Funding to Abortion Providers through the Title X Program
Title X is a federal grant program that awards money to recipients in order to provide family planning services.
Protect Life Rule:
Under the Obama Administration policy, Title X consistently funded family planning through organizations that promoted and provided abortions.
In 2019, President Trump’s Health and Human Services Department(HHS) issued regulations known as the Protect Life Rule. Under the rule, abortion facilities may not be in the same location where family planning services are delivered. The rule also states that Title X grantees may not refer for elective abortion. The rule does not cut funding for family planning but ensures that funding goes to health facilities that do not perform or promote abortion as family planning. In response, Planned Parenthood left the Title X program in 2019 rather than comply with the Protect Life rule.
Restoring Ability of States to Direct Title X Funds Away from Abortion Providers:
In 2017 President Trump signed a resolution into law that overturned an eleventh-hour regulation by the Obama administration that prohibited states from defunding certain abortion facilities in their federally-funded family-planning programs. Further, future administrations that may be hostile to life are prohibited from issuing a regulation similar to what President Obama had done.
Pro-life Appointments
President Trump has appointed numerous pro-life advocates in his administration and cabinet including Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Energy Rick Perry, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, and former Chief of Staff Reince Priebus.
Defunding International Abortion Advocacy
The Trump Administration cut off funding for the United Nations Population Fund due to that agency’s involve mentin China’s forced abortion program. Additionally, President Trump instructed the Secretary of State to apply pro-life conditions to a broad range of health-related U.S. foreign aid.
Protecting Conscience Rights of Healthcare Providers
Creation of a New Office of Conscience and Religious Freedom:
In January 2018, HHS announced the creation of the Conscience and Religious Freedom Division within the Office for Civil Rights (OCR). This new department is enforcing federal laws to protect “providers, individuals, and other health care entities from having to provide, participate in, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for, services such as abortion, sterilization, or assisted suicide.”
 

Truth7t7

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Strengthening Enforcement of Existing Conscience Protection:
In May 2019, the Trump administration finalized new regulations to strengthen enforcement of federal laws protecting the conscience rights of health care workers who do not want to participate in abortion. The regulations clarify what recourse is available to victims of discrimination under the law and what penalties the OCR may enforce for violations.
Issuing notice of Violation to the State of California:
In January 2020, the OCR at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced that it had issued “a Notice of Violation to the state of California, formally notifying California that it cannot impose universal abortion coverage mandates on health insurance plans and issuers in violation of federal conscience laws.”
OCR determined that, in doing so, California has violated the Weldon Amendment, which prevents HHS funding recipients from discriminating against health care providers because they refuse to provide, pay for, or refer for abortion. California has 30 days to comply with the Weldon Amendment. If it fails to do so, HHS has announced that “this action may ultimately result in limitations on continued receipt of certain HHS funds.”
Disclosure of Abortion in Obamacare Plans
The 2010 Obama care health law ruptured longstanding, nearly uniform policy that federal programs did not pay for abortion or subsidize health plans that included coverage of abortion, with narrow exceptions. Obama care included a provision wherein insurers were supposed to collect separate payments for abortion services and inform enrollees if abortion was a covered service. However, the Obama Administration issued Section 1303 regulations permitting insurance companies to ignore separate payment requirements which included failing to require insurers to disclose the abortion surcharge from consumers.
The Trump Administration has issued both new guidance and proposed regulations surrounding Section 1303. These regulations will at least ensure basic transparency is provided to consumers – and inform them when they are paying for abortion coverage they might object to. The new regulations will help to eliminate Obama-era secrecy about abortion coverage, allowing consumers to be fully informed about abortion coverage and the surcharges for such coverage on plans sold on the exchanges. The final rule requires qualified health plans to send an entirely separate monthly bill to the policy holder. Also, the rule instructs the policy holder to pay the elective abortion premium in a separate transaction. If a policy holder fails to pay the elective abortion premium at all, the health plan has the option to waive the individual’s obligation to pay the elective abortion premium.
While the only solution is a repeal and replacement of many Obamacare provisions, this will provide people with a clearer view of whether their plan pays for abortion.
Fetal Tissue Research
In June 2019, continuing the Administration’s efforts to keep the federal government out of the abortion business, HHS announced it will no longer fund new research that uses fetal tissue from aborted babies. It is actively pursuing the development of ethical alternatives.
Additionally, HHS and the National Institutes of Health announced they would not renew a major contract with the University of California, San Francisco to fund research using the body parts of aborted babies.
 

ResidentAlien

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I didn't ask what he promised to do, I asked what he did. What did he do that you can say, we now have more living humans because of what he did. His policies only kicked the can down the road.
 

JesusWhereRU

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Apr 16, 2021
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Trump has probably paid for more abortions than any other president.
there is no evidence of that and even if there were...

why do anti Trumpers always focus on what Trump DID or said

and not what he DOES now... not what he DID when president?

I havne't found one legitimate gripe yet. It all seems to be a bunch of emotings
 

JesusWhereRU

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Yes, he governed effectively as far as policy goes. But what really troubles me is your apparent inability to see that as Christians we have a responsibility that goes beyond secular policy. It reflects the mindset of a tremendous number of people calling themselves Christian. Does what I'm saying even register?
makes no sense

Christians were supposed to do... what?

vote for Ms BleachBitted33,000SubpoenedEmails?

sheez
 

JesusWhereRU

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you need to make better friends with the truth

speaking of truth and taking a line from your own closet of push back responses, kindly provide proof of your above statements

otherwise, what you say is meaningless
especially in light of the fact that Trump did NOT raise taxes on the middle class

just another leftie lie

it's amazing the ease with which many people lie or (and/or) disseminate the nonsense they hear on fake news channels as though it were undisputed truth
 

SophieT

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Dec 9, 2020
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Trump has probably paid for more abortions than any other president.
it is so easy to see what you are saying here

I mean honestly, you obviously cannot stand the man and come here to tell us all about it

you have spouted actual lies about Trump's presidency and apparently your conscience does not bother you about it

you know, when your preference is for children, (we won't mention anyone's names here because they are a well known family) you would not have to pay for abortions as you put it

honestly? I think the way you go on here is kind of disgusting. find some truth lady. find some truth
 

JesusWhereRU

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it is so easy to see what you are saying here

I mean honestly, you obviously cannot stand the man and come here to tell us all about it

you have spouted actual lies about Trump's presidency and apparently your conscience does not bother you about it

you know, when your preference is for children, (we won't mention anyone's names here because they are a well known family) you would not have to pay for abortions as you put it

honestly? I think the way you go on here is kind of disgusting. find some truth lady. find some truth
its not only she doesn't like Trump but apparently doesn't believe in forgiving him

not good

Trump was truly pro life.

That ALONE should inspire Christians support him

that alone...