Come on, even as terrible as people say he is i didn't expect that, after promising the dreamers and getting their votes... he just decides to call off the daca deal all of a sudden... now that's cunning. If he had been against it from the beginning, it would have been much better cuz the dreamers would have known trump's plan for them but noooo... he just had to promise them to get their votes and now he just broke a lot of people's heart and ruined their happiness...I can't ever imagine that, i pray for a better life for them.
Trump called off the daca's deal
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Trumps Easter tweets made no sense at all. To be eligible for deferred deportation under daca you had to have been brought here as a minor before 2007. So nobody, literally nobody at all for more than 10 years could possibly be trying to enter the US to take advantage of it. Trump ended daca by eo months ago, so it doesn't even technically exist any more. And immigration has been down for months, something he was boasting about just a week ago, so how can he be saying it's up now?? He's been against any kind of deal to extend daca all along, so why the heck he was talking about no more deal? Nonsense. The GOP has been against it too, at least two attempts at compromise failed in Congress in the last few months, nothing ever reached the presidents desk.
Just a confused rant on his way to church when he should have been thinking about why he was finally showing up at a church.
And no one sheltered from deportation under daca is eligible to vote. BTW
Just a confused rant on his way to church when he should have been thinking about why he was finally showing up at a church.
And no one sheltered from deportation under daca is eligible to vote. BTW
I agree his communication is difficult to unpack, but I think you have the facts wrong. These 2 articles may clear it up for you to understand that it was OBAMA who broke the Constitution by his own admission.
From The Hill: 02/06/18
White House chief of staff John Kelly said Tuesday that President Trump is unlikely to extend the deadline for work permits under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program on March 5 if Congress has not reached a deal on immigration by that date.
Kelly told reporters on Capitol Hill that he was "not so sure" that Trump had the authority to extend the deadline because the program was not based on law, The Washington Post reported.
Work permits for DACA recipients will begin to expire on that date due to Trump's decision to rescind DACA in September with a six-month delay.
The White House is “not so sure this president has the authority to extend it," Kelly told reporters. “I doubt very much” it would happen, he added.
"There are 690,000 official DACA recipients and the president sent over what amounts to be two and a half times that number, to 1.8 million," Kelly continued. "The difference between 690 and 1.8 million were the people that some would say were too afraid to sign up, others would say were too lazy to get off their asses, but they didn’t sign up. On Monday, the White House rejected a bipartisan immigration plan that extended DACA protections but failed to provide the funding boost the Trump administration wants for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.
Trump wrote on Twitter that the deal was a non-starter, as was any bill that did not include adequate funding for the border wall.
“Any deal on DACA that does not include STRONG border security and the desperately needed WALL is a total waste of time,” he tweeted. “March 5th is rapidly approaching and the Dems seem not to care about DACA. Make a deal!”
The Democrats NEVER wanted this issue resolved, and the DACA recipients NOW understand that they only want to USE them for their political purposes. Note how many MORE of them Trump was willing to add to being allowed to stay.
From The Hill: 02/06/18
White House chief of staff John Kelly said Tuesday that President Trump is unlikely to extend the deadline for work permits under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program on March 5 if Congress has not reached a deal on immigration by that date.
Kelly told reporters on Capitol Hill that he was "not so sure" that Trump had the authority to extend the deadline because the program was not based on law, The Washington Post reported.
Work permits for DACA recipients will begin to expire on that date due to Trump's decision to rescind DACA in September with a six-month delay.
The White House is “not so sure this president has the authority to extend it," Kelly told reporters. “I doubt very much” it would happen, he added.
"There are 690,000 official DACA recipients and the president sent over what amounts to be two and a half times that number, to 1.8 million," Kelly continued. "The difference between 690 and 1.8 million were the people that some would say were too afraid to sign up, others would say were too lazy to get off their asses, but they didn’t sign up. On Monday, the White House rejected a bipartisan immigration plan that extended DACA protections but failed to provide the funding boost the Trump administration wants for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.
Trump wrote on Twitter that the deal was a non-starter, as was any bill that did not include adequate funding for the border wall.
“Any deal on DACA that does not include STRONG border security and the desperately needed WALL is a total waste of time,” he tweeted. “March 5th is rapidly approaching and the Dems seem not to care about DACA. Make a deal!”
The Democrats NEVER wanted this issue resolved, and the DACA recipients NOW understand that they only want to USE them for their political purposes. Note how many MORE of them Trump was willing to add to being allowed to stay.
Here is the article that outlines the illegality of DACA:
From the Sacramento Bee:
President Donald Trump has caught a lot of heat for rescinding the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program with a six-month wind-down. Few people seem aware that he's ending an administrative amnesty for illegal aliens that President Barack Obama lacked the constitutional and legal authority to implement.
How do we know? Because even Obama admitted it – repeatedly.
Responding in October 2010 to demands that he implement immigration reforms unilaterally, Obama declared, "I am not king. I can't do these things just by myself." In March 2011, he said that with "respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case." In May 2011, he acknowledged that he couldn't "just bypass Congress and change the (immigration) law myself. ... That's not how a democracy works."
Yet in 2012, he did it anyway. He put DACA in place to provide pseudo-legal status to illegal aliens brought to the U.S. as minors, including as teenagers. He promised them that they wouldn't be deported and provided them with work authorizations and access to Social Security and other government benefits.
And he did this despite the fact that the immigration laws passed by Congress do not give the president the ability to do this. Indeed, Congress specifically rejected bills to provide such benefits.
As Attorney General Jeff Sessions pointed out this week, DACA "contributed to a surge of unaccompanied minors on the southern border that yielded terrible humanitarian consequences." Since most DACA beneficiaries are now adults, "it also denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same jobs to go to illegal aliens," Sessions said.
The unconstitutionality of Obama's actions were confirmed when Obama tried to implement a second, similar program in 2014 called the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents program, or DAPA. Like DACA, DAPA provided an administrative amnesty for illegal aliens who came to the U.S. as adults and gave them work authorizations and access to government benefits.
The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a nationwide injunction against DAPA, which the Supreme Court allowed to stand. As the Fifth Circuit said, the fact that the president declined to enforce the law and remove illegal aliens "does not transform presence deemed unlawful by Congress into lawful presence and confer eligibility for otherwise unavailable benefits based on that change."
Under our Constitution, Congress has plenary authority over immigration. The president only has the authority delegated to him by Congress – and Congress has never given the president the power to provide a pseudo-amnesty and government benefits to illegal aliens.
The DACA program suffers from exactly the same constitutional infirmities as DAPA. A number of states have threatened to sue the administration to stop the DACA program. In the face of that threat, Trump really had no choice. General Sessions' legal conclusion was that DACA "is vulnerable to the same legal and constitutional challenges that the courts recognized with respect to the DAPA program."
The place to have the debate about what to do about illegal aliens who were minors when they came to this country is in the halls of Congress, not the White House. Failure to correct this unilateral, unconstitutional overreach would set a dangerous precedent that weakens our constitutional balance of powers. As law professor Jonathan Turley said, "If a president can claim sweeping discretion to suspend key federal laws, the entire legislative process becomes little more than a pretense."
When it comes to immigration, Attorney General Sessions was correct when he said that the "compassionate thing is to end the lawlessness, enforce our laws, and, if Congress chooses to make changes to those laws, to do so through the process set forth by our Founders in a way that advances the interests of the nation." That is essential to preserving our constitutional republic.
From the Sacramento Bee:
President Donald Trump has caught a lot of heat for rescinding the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program with a six-month wind-down. Few people seem aware that he's ending an administrative amnesty for illegal aliens that President Barack Obama lacked the constitutional and legal authority to implement.
How do we know? Because even Obama admitted it – repeatedly.
Responding in October 2010 to demands that he implement immigration reforms unilaterally, Obama declared, "I am not king. I can't do these things just by myself." In March 2011, he said that with "respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case." In May 2011, he acknowledged that he couldn't "just bypass Congress and change the (immigration) law myself. ... That's not how a democracy works."
Yet in 2012, he did it anyway. He put DACA in place to provide pseudo-legal status to illegal aliens brought to the U.S. as minors, including as teenagers. He promised them that they wouldn't be deported and provided them with work authorizations and access to Social Security and other government benefits.
And he did this despite the fact that the immigration laws passed by Congress do not give the president the ability to do this. Indeed, Congress specifically rejected bills to provide such benefits.
As Attorney General Jeff Sessions pointed out this week, DACA "contributed to a surge of unaccompanied minors on the southern border that yielded terrible humanitarian consequences." Since most DACA beneficiaries are now adults, "it also denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same jobs to go to illegal aliens," Sessions said.
The unconstitutionality of Obama's actions were confirmed when Obama tried to implement a second, similar program in 2014 called the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents program, or DAPA. Like DACA, DAPA provided an administrative amnesty for illegal aliens who came to the U.S. as adults and gave them work authorizations and access to government benefits.
The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a nationwide injunction against DAPA, which the Supreme Court allowed to stand. As the Fifth Circuit said, the fact that the president declined to enforce the law and remove illegal aliens "does not transform presence deemed unlawful by Congress into lawful presence and confer eligibility for otherwise unavailable benefits based on that change."
Under our Constitution, Congress has plenary authority over immigration. The president only has the authority delegated to him by Congress – and Congress has never given the president the power to provide a pseudo-amnesty and government benefits to illegal aliens.
The DACA program suffers from exactly the same constitutional infirmities as DAPA. A number of states have threatened to sue the administration to stop the DACA program. In the face of that threat, Trump really had no choice. General Sessions' legal conclusion was that DACA "is vulnerable to the same legal and constitutional challenges that the courts recognized with respect to the DAPA program."
The place to have the debate about what to do about illegal aliens who were minors when they came to this country is in the halls of Congress, not the White House. Failure to correct this unilateral, unconstitutional overreach would set a dangerous precedent that weakens our constitutional balance of powers. As law professor Jonathan Turley said, "If a president can claim sweeping discretion to suspend key federal laws, the entire legislative process becomes little more than a pretense."
When it comes to immigration, Attorney General Sessions was correct when he said that the "compassionate thing is to end the lawlessness, enforce our laws, and, if Congress chooses to make changes to those laws, to do so through the process set forth by our Founders in a way that advances the interests of the nation." That is essential to preserving our constitutional republic.
where do you think i said anything about 'breaking constitution' such that i could have that fact wrong?
it appears to me as though, you said i have facts wrong - and then went off an unrelated rant about white house spin regarding legality of the executive office prioritizing enforcement of law ((which is exactly its prerogative to do)). i don't see how that speaks to whether or not anything i talked about is true or not at all ..?
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fact: DACA only applies to people who arrived in the country pre-2007 as minors, and who apply for and are approved for a renewable deferment of deportation ((it in no way gives them citizenship or even a path to citizenship or changes their status to legal immigrant)). this enforcement policy went into effect in 2012.
therefore -- no one has ever been able to 'come into the US in order to take advantage of DACA' -- it went into effect 5 years after anyone it applies to was already here, and that was 6 years ago now!
his tweet isn't "difficult to unpack" -- it's just utter nonsense demonstrating that our own POTUS doesn't understand what he's talking about! while ((the most Christian president ever??)) on the way to celebrate Ishtar ((or however you spell it)) on the first day of Unleavened Bread!
"sad!" IOW
maybe you meant to reply to a different post
it appears to me as though, you said i have facts wrong - and then went off an unrelated rant about white house spin regarding legality of the executive office prioritizing enforcement of law ((which is exactly its prerogative to do)). i don't see how that speaks to whether or not anything i talked about is true or not at all ..?
ex:
fact: DACA only applies to people who arrived in the country pre-2007 as minors, and who apply for and are approved for a renewable deferment of deportation ((it in no way gives them citizenship or even a path to citizenship or changes their status to legal immigrant)). this enforcement policy went into effect in 2012.
therefore -- no one has ever been able to 'come into the US in order to take advantage of DACA' -- it went into effect 5 years after anyone it applies to was already here, and that was 6 years ago now!
his tweet isn't "difficult to unpack" -- it's just utter nonsense demonstrating that our own POTUS doesn't understand what he's talking about! while ((the most Christian president ever??)) on the way to celebrate Ishtar ((or however you spell it)) on the first day of Unleavened Bread!
"sad!" IOW
maybe you meant to reply to a different post
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where do you think i said anything about 'breaking constitution' such that i could have that fact wrong? it appears to me as though, you said i have facts wrong - and then went off an unrelated rant about white house spin regarding legality of the executive office prioritizing enforcement of law ((which is exactly its prerogative to do)). i don't see how that speaks to whether or not anything i talked about is true or not at all ..? ex:
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fact: DACA only applies to people who arrived in the country pre-2007 as minors, and who apply for and are approved for a renewable deferment of deportation ((it in no way gives them citizenship or even a path to citizenship or changes their status to legal immigrant)). this enforcement policy went into effect in 2012.therefore -- no one has ever been able to 'come into the US in order to take advantage of DACA' -- it went into effect 5 years after anyone it applies to was already here, and that was 6 years ago now! his tweet isn't "difficult to unpack" -- it's just utter nonsense demonstrating that our own POTUS doesn't understand what he's talking about! while ((the most Christian president ever??)) on the way to celebrate Ishtar ((or however you spell it)) on the first day of Unleavened Bread! "sad!" IOWmaybe you meant to reply to a different post
where do you think i said anything about 'breaking constitution' such that i could have that fact wrong?
it appears to me as though, you said i have facts wrong - and then went off an unrelated rant about white house spin regarding legality of the executive office prioritizing enforcement of law ((which is exactly its prerogative to do)). i don't see how that speaks to whether or not anything i talked about is true or not at all ..?
ex:
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fact: DACA only applies to people who arrived in the country pre-2007 as minors, and who apply for and are approved for a renewable deferment of deportation ((it in no way gives them citizenship or even a path to citizenship or changes their status to legal immigrant)). this enforcement policy went into effect in 2012.
therefore -- no one has ever been able to 'come into the US in order to take advantage of DACA' -- it went into effect 5 years after anyone it applies to was already here, and that was 6 years ago now!
his tweet isn't "difficult to unpack" -- it's just utter nonsense demonstrating that our own POTUS doesn't understand what he's talking about! while ((the most Christian president ever??)) on the way to celebrate Ishtar ((or however you spell it)) on the first day of Unleavened Bread!
"sad!" IOW
maybe you meant to reply to a different post
it appears to me as though, you said i have facts wrong - and then went off an unrelated rant about white house spin regarding legality of the executive office prioritizing enforcement of law ((which is exactly its prerogative to do)). i don't see how that speaks to whether or not anything i talked about is true or not at all ..?
ex:
View attachment 180128
fact: DACA only applies to people who arrived in the country pre-2007 as minors, and who apply for and are approved for a renewable deferment of deportation ((it in no way gives them citizenship or even a path to citizenship or changes their status to legal immigrant)). this enforcement policy went into effect in 2012.
therefore -- no one has ever been able to 'come into the US in order to take advantage of DACA' -- it went into effect 5 years after anyone it applies to was already here, and that was 6 years ago now!
his tweet isn't "difficult to unpack" -- it's just utter nonsense demonstrating that our own POTUS doesn't understand what he's talking about! while ((the most Christian president ever??)) on the way to celebrate Ishtar ((or however you spell it)) on the first day of Unleavened Bread!
"sad!" IOW
maybe you meant to reply to a different post
No. My posts completely address your 1st post. Did you even read the articles?
DACA was illegally created as an EO. Obama admitted as much. Trump EXTENDED DACA for 6 months. He offered a deal that conservatives were not onboard with, not only extending DACA permanantly, but adding almost 1.5 million people MORE than even Obama granted!!
The Democrats said NO. THEY refused because they don't WANT the problem solved, and because they didn't want to stop ILLEGAL immigration by funding a border wall. Now we have columns of ILLEGAL aliens marching to demand entry into the U.S. as we speak! Maybe our compassionate AUSTRALIAN friends, that love to criticize America, can send over some ships to get them and bring them to their country. So what the heck are you talking about?
Figures: Caravan Organizers Vow to Continue March to US Border, Plan Crossing from Baja California
TRENDS -The destruction of the rule of law in America . Like -daca-, An
unconstitutional power grab perpetrated by the admin. of the previous president.
Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or daca. This government policy was
put in place by former President Barack Obama via executive order in 2012.
Even though "Congress specifically rejected bills to provide such benefits"
It grants deferred deportations, Social Security cards and driver’s licenses to
illegal immigrants who arrived in the United States before they were 18 years old.
Barack Obama has since condemned President Donald Trump’s decision as “cruel.”
But the president has no legal choice but to enforce the laws passed by Congress.
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One thing all Americans should be able to agree on is that presidents shouldn’t be
allowed to flout the separation of powers doctrine and create new laws out of thin air.
If respect for the Constitution erodes to a point where the rule of law no longer
restrains political parties, there would be no guarantee of liberty!
unconstitutional power grab perpetrated by the admin. of the previous president.
Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or daca. This government policy was
put in place by former President Barack Obama via executive order in 2012.
Even though "Congress specifically rejected bills to provide such benefits"
It grants deferred deportations, Social Security cards and driver’s licenses to
illegal immigrants who arrived in the United States before they were 18 years old.
Barack Obama has since condemned President Donald Trump’s decision as “cruel.”
But the president has no legal choice but to enforce the laws passed by Congress.
-
One thing all Americans should be able to agree on is that presidents shouldn’t be
allowed to flout the separation of powers doctrine and create new laws out of thin air.
If respect for the Constitution erodes to a point where the rule of law no longer
restrains political parties, there would be no guarantee of liberty!
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