About 50 years ago, I would not have been able to marry my wife in this country because interracial marriages were illegal. I'm pretty sure that wasn't constitutional either. Oh and guess what? They used religion to justify that too..... pretty sure slavery wasnt constitutional. I'm sure all those African slaves really enjoyed being put in chains and beaten in the name of Jesus.
U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates
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If you cant see the difference between race and sexual perversion I doubt you are ever going to understand this issue as God would have you to see it? The equality of all races in Christ is a principal that can be clearly seen by anyone who loves Christ...sexual perversion and deviant behavior are just that. And its insane to equate the two.
God doesn't tell us to surrender to evil... He tells us to prepare for when it runs us over like a steamroller.
My beef isn't with what you are saying, you are speaking the truth. But there's a whole lotta people who talk like you do who aren't going to have the faith to walk the walk like you will. Your words carry iron. But there's a lot of people who speak the same words in shifting sand. Those are really the ones I'm referring to. I'm just using your words to address them. Kinda convoluted I know but hey maybe someone here will see themselves in it and make a change.
My beef isn't with what you are saying, you are speaking the truth. But there's a whole lotta people who talk like you do who aren't going to have the faith to walk the walk like you will. Your words carry iron. But there's a lot of people who speak the same words in shifting sand. Those are really the ones I'm referring to. I'm just using your words to address them. Kinda convoluted I know but hey maybe someone here will see themselves in it and make a change.
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Not only that in the New testament we are clearly taught that God loves all races of men...every tribe and tongue is equal before God because of Christ ...that the principal of loving all races of men for Christ sake is clearly seen and to equate race with sexual perversion is so unbiblical and illogical, I don't understand how this is even allowed into the discussion by thinking people.
I get what you are saying as well, and to a degree I think you're right. But the Bible repeatedly says that in the end the evil of this world will overcome us. And that many who aren't prepared for it will turn away. It's kind of one of those catch-22 situations... we know where we are headed, and I'll fight it wherever and whenever I can, but how much do we strain against what we know to be inevitable?
Davis a foretaste?
Get prepared for persecution: It’s here!
Get prepared for persecution: It’s here!
K
Going to post this again....
From Allen Wests website I thought he made some good points.Since no one reads links I'll post excerpts here...
And so it begins. Sadly, it seems America has truly forgotten the intent of Thomas Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury (CT) Baptist Convention on the subject of separation of church and state. It was Jefferson’s intent to not have in America a head of state who was also head of church, ala King Henry VIII and the establishment of the Church of England.
Jefferson didn’t want the state to establish religion that would lead to state persecution of religious freedom — the reason why the Pilgrims came to America. That’s why the First Amendment to our US Constitution states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” In America, the citizen has the freedom of religion; the state can’t institute an atmosphere of freedom from religion.
And so I find it rather interesting that in Kentucky, Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis found herself spending last night in jail for her religious belief.
What I found most absurd were the comments of White House press secretary Josh Earnest when asked about Mrs. Davis’ situation. Earnest declared yesterday, “No public official is above the rule of law”; the hypocrisy of the White House spokesperson saying such is absurd, at a minimum.
Earnest speaks for a president who’s lied on countless occasions and violated the rule of law — the US Constitution — in as many situations. It was President Obama, along with candidate for president Hillary Clinton, who abandoned four Americans to die in Benghazi, Libya — and did I mention his “overseas contingency operation” was in violation of the War Powers Act — and then they both lied about the impetus behind the attack. And in the case of Hillary Clinton, well, ask any uniformed service member if they’re allowed to deal with classified materials on their own private server.
The hypocrisy doesn’t end there. Consider how it can be that five activist judges can create a new individual right based on personal behavior and subjugate an established individual right — a First Amendment right? How can it be that five activist judges can create a new right and impose their will upon the states — a complete violation of federalism — but not demand every state recognize the Second Amendment rights of individual Americans? My concealed carry license from Florida is not permitted in every state in the Union? If five activist judges belief every state must accept same-sex marriage (as a reminder I support civil unions), then every state must accept my established right to keep and bear arms — and not infringe upon it.
Kim Davis went to jail simply because she was exercising her First Amendment right — which no five activist judges can deny, disregard or denigrate. It’s her First Amendment right that cannot result in her being disparaged — and certainly not arrested. And if the President of the United States can himself float above the rule of law, then how can one arrest Kim Davis for embracing the rule of law — her First Amendment right?Can it be that the “guarantee of happiness” granted to a special interest group, by way of judicial privilege, supersedes the US Constitution?
And so when will we start seeing pastors carted off to jail? Matter of fact, the mayor of Houston already tried by demanding sermons be surrendered. And we have bakers, florists, pizzeria owners and photographers being fined by the state. Not to mention death threats issued against them by the oh so “tolerant.”
But ponder this: a public figure, Lois Lerner, is free and receiving a taxpayer-funded six-figure retirement check while Kim Davis sat in jail. Bowe Bergdahl, a deserter — for whom six American soldiers lost their lives during search and rescue operations on his behalf — roams free while Kim Davis sat in jail. Eric Holder — who was held in contempt of Congress and responsible for Operation Fast and Furious, resulting in the death of US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry —walks about free and probably on a speaker’s circuit while Kim Davis sat in jail. Al Sharpton — who owes the IRS millions in back taxes and has visited the White House some 80 times — did his show on MSNBC while Kim Davis sat in jail. Louis Farrakhan incites violence and talks of killing white people while Kim Davis sat in jail.
So spare me the drivel about how Kim Davis has to realize she cannot act above the rule of law; the progressive socialist left has embraced the sheer essence of lawlessness.Thanks to President Obama, there is not a single Christian in Mosul, Iraq for the first time in 2,000 years. Christians are being crucified, tortured and raped by the folks he called the JV team. But who would have EVER thought a Christian would be carted off to jail in America because they simply believed marriage is between one man and one woman? Thomas Jefferson must be disturbed to know that the State in America is persecuting Christians for their religious beliefs.
However, let me highlight a very important point. In the 2012 election cycle, some 7-8 million Christians did not vote, and that’s out of the number registered to vote. The lack of participation in the electoral process meant the secular humanist left has a willing ally in the White House. A deceiver and liar, who during the 2008 election declared he supported marriage as between one man and one woman. All of a sudden, Barack Obama “evolved,” just as Bill Clinton did — it was under Clinton that the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) passed — with bipartisan support.
What changed? It’s all about special interest politics, not principle.
Kim Davis knows she will one day answer not to Justice Kennedy of the Supreme Court of the United States — she will answer to the Supreme Judge of the Universe. And just as Saul, the persecutor of Christians, was converted on the road to Damascus and became the Apostle Paul, so did Mrs. Davis have a life-changing event. I say to Mrs. Davis, read my favorite book in the Bible, Philippians, and know Paul wrote that text while imprisoned awaiting his execution. And there he wrote these words, Philippians 4:19 (New International Version): “And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.” ....if God is for you, who can stand against you? Certainly not those who seek your demise. My prayers and those of millions are with you.
Folks, you're missing the point about the Kentucky clerk's jail sentence - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com
Well its pretty hard to disagree with his thoughts.I think he sums up the situation quite well.I dont see many arguments that would win against it.