U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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Dude653

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I am aware that Christ tells us to take no oaths at all when talking to God, yeah.


But that doesnt change the fact that God is still against homosexuality.
God is against a lot of things but that doesn't give me the authority to make people stop doing them
 
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God is against a lot of things but that doesn't give me the authority to make people stop doing them
Well if your a citizen of this country you have every right to shape your society and as a believer you have a moral obligation to God to resist evil when and where you can.
 
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Mitspa

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The left wing propaganda has tried to convince us that only evil and immoral people have the right to be citizens and influence our society. Sadly many have been deceived into believing this silly nonsense :(
 

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The left wing propaganda has tried to convince us that only evil and immoral people have the right to be citizens and influence our society. Sadly many have been deceived into believing this silly nonsense :(
And they'll complain "Don't push your morality at us" then turn around and be mesmerized by a Hip Hop artist yammering trash down their throat.
 
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Enlightened banned? Not like I didnt warn him...
 

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I am aware that Christ tells us to take no oaths at all when talking to God, yeah.
Right, but I believe that in quoting the context of the Torah, giving oaths to God had political implications and consequences. Perhaps big picture wise, He is saying don't give oaths at all that could get into into tight corners when a conflict of interest arises.

But that doesnt change the fact that God is still against homosexuality.
What is right or wrong according to specific beliefs (that varies across the USA), is not the issue we are mainly addressing, but the question as to whether the law of the land (which is secular) should enforce it.
 
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Right, but I believe that in quoting the context of the Torah, giving oaths to God had political implications and consequences. Perhaps big picture wise, He is saying don't give oaths at all that could get into into tight corners when a conflict of interest arises.


What is right or wrong according to specific beliefs (that varies across the USA), is not the issue we are mainly addressing, but the question as to whether the law of the land (which is secular) should enforce it.
The law of the land is not secular in the sense that we the people decide what laws we want and what manner of society we desire. We the people don't want this perversion approved.
 
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Again some seem to believe that only the wicked and ungodly have rights in this country.... that's just insanity!
 
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Again some seem to believe that only the wicked and ungodly have rights in this country.... that's just insanity!
In the end, it won't matter much. They won't have an plea rights at the Great White Throne.

"But, God, I ... "

**THOOMPF**

>>> Express elevator to hell arrives empty, instantaneously departs with one very surprised and unexpectant passenger <<<

 
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jamie26301

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This is the old...christians are supposed to be 'nice' and not stir the pot and if they do they are being hateful bigots etc. It's just a way that they can "walk of the field" and not be held accountable for their actions or behavior.
Ah, but you can make your statement, if you wish as the Apostles did... who were beat and thrown in prison.
And REJOICED that they were selected to SUFFER for Christ. Standing for truth was more important to them than the politically liberties thereof.

The political climate really doesn't matter to a believer who is mature enough to understand these things happens to those who follow Christ.
 
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In the end, it won't matter much. They won't have an plea rights at the Great White Throne.

"But, God, I ... "

**THOOMPF**

>>> Express elevator to hell arrives empty, instantaneously departs with one very surprised and unexpectant passenger <<<

Was that you VW or DCon? :)
 
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Ah, but you can make your statement, if you wish as the Apostles did... who were beat and thrown in prison.
And REJOICED that they were selected to SUFFER for Christ. Standing for truth was more important to them than the politically liberties thereof.
Lets see folks who stand against evil and go to jail are not suffering for the truth...but those who promote and approve evil are the folks who are suffering for Christ? rofl .... I cant believe I just read this?
 
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Ah, but you can make your statement, if you wish as the Apostles did... who were beat and thrown in prison.
And REJOICED that they were selected to SUFFER for Christ. Standing for truth was more important to them than the politically liberties thereof.

The political climate really doesn't matter to a believer who is mature enough to understand these things happens to those who follow Christ.
At least for now. There may come a day when what I said here is a crime.
 

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At least for now. There may come a day when what I said here is a crime.
Well, that's my point. This site hasn't been seized; you can still walk to church unharmed in broad daylight; Christian publications and ministries aren't being shut down one after another.

It just doesn't look favorable on Christians to whine about something like this, claiming it assaults their rights, when in fact none of these free speeches and liberties have been violated. It increases contempt which might not bode well for them when enough people get sick of it.

She broke an oath that she swore (maybe even "by God" when she swore it) and she is suffering for breaking that oath. Funny for some people to scream about illegals and how this is anti-American, yet it is anti-American to hold someone to the loyalty they swore to the country.

Seriously, this culture is eye-ball deep in double-standards, about EVERYTHING you can imagine. From Christians to atheists, there are tons of double-standards in what they expect. If God judged this nation for anything, imo it would be hypocrisy and arrogance.

Frankly, it makes us look like a bunch of cry babies. When the fact is you are in a secular nation, that has always been a secular (yet religiously dominated as Protestant), and if you want to argue against homonsexaulity, you really should being doing this in the academic realm if you want to make a point about it law-making wise.

Like, show without using any religious texts or appeals to God, why it is bad for society. If you can demonstrate it THAT way, with statistics and reason, you'll be taken more seriously, I assure you.
 
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Well, that's my point. This site hasn't been seized; you can still walk to church unharmed in broad daylight; Christian publications and ministries aren't being shut down one after another.

It just doesn't look favorable on Christians to whine about something like this, claiming it assaults their rights, when in fact none of these free speeches and liberties have been violated. It increases contempt which might not bode well for them when enough people get sick of it.

She broke an oath that she swore (maybe even "by God" when she swore it) and she is suffering for breaking that oath. Funny for some people to scream about illegals and how this is anti-American, yet it is anti-American to hold someone to the loyalty they swore to the country.

Seriously, this culture is eye-ball deep in double-standards, about EVERYTHING you can imagine. From Christians to atheists, there are tons of double-standards in what they expect. If God judged this nation for anything, imo it would be hypocrisy and arrogance.

Frankly, it makes us look like a bunch of cry babies. When the fact is you are in a secular nation, that has always been a secular (yet religiously dominated as Protestant), and if you want to argue against homonsexaulity, you really should being doing this in the academic realm if you want to make a point about it law-making wise.

Like, show without using any religious texts or appeals to God, why it is bad for society. If you can demonstrate it THAT way, with statistics and reason, you'll be taken more seriously, I assure you.
Someone said that statistics are like a lamppost to a drunken man. More for leaning on than illumination.
 

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Someone said that statistics are like a lamppost to a drunken man. More for leaning on than illumination.
That someone probably runs to them when it serves an argument against social ill he doesn't like. :)

Most statistics presented are manipulated and construed though... just like the Bible. Don't knock the useful research method just because it can be exploited. Go to the source yourself and decide if you think it's been twisted.
 

jamie26301

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Someone said that statistics are like a lamppost to a drunken man. More for leaning on than illumination.
Oh and besides... if God's word on that is 100 percent correct about the ills this will cause, you should be able to show it with the research method, right?

You can show with research that divorce isn't favorable for couples, the economy, or society, for example. Even that cohabitation before marriage increases likelihood for divorce.
 
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Someone said that statistics are like a lamppost to a drunken man. More for leaning on than illumination.
So "QUIPS" are useful? depending on the statistic... astonishingly... I have discovered many that witness the TRUTH of God.
 
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So "QUIPS" are useful? depending on the statistic... astonishingly... I have discovered many that witness the TRUTH of God.
Rachel comes at me with arrogance and unchristian like dialogue against a man she considers arrogant and unchristian. If there was a statistic about the irony of that I might take notice. Lol