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mailmandan

mailmandan

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Did this virus originate in China? How did it originate? How did it spread so fast around the world? Is this germ warfare that got out of control? The more I hear about deaths surging and the devastation this virus has had on the economy, the more furious I become! :mad:
 
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EleventhHour

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Nehemiah6 said:
You are right. There was no need to shut down countries since the death rate is about the same (or much less than) flu. So one needs to question how the matter was handled and why proper controls were not put in place to ensure that both state and federal governments did not abuse this situation. The greatest concern in the free world should be the loss of liberties, not lives.

There are seven states right now in the USA with zero death, and another dozen or so with less than 10 deaths. But the states controlled by the Left-Liberal Democrats with their crazy notions are the ones with the heaviest numbers. So that is another indicator.
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And what exactly are you doing about loss of liberty so far you have not even presented the scientific information correctly... how does misinformation server liberty?
 
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EleventhHour

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mailmandan said:
Did this virus originate in China? How did it originate? How did it spread so fast around the world? Is this germ warfare that got out of control? The more I hear about deaths surging and the devastation this virus has had on the economy, the more furious I become! :mad:
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Three theories, one it from a lab in Winnipeg Canada that was brought to China to one of their labs.
From bat to people
Lab in China and dispersed it

No concrete proof on whether it was lab created... evidence to think it was natural, evidence to the contrary.

At this rate it does not matter this SARS virus is a huge problem.
Different than other viruses because it incubates for so long.

There are many more infected in the USA that is known for sure.
The rates we see now are people that were infected two weeks ago and that has grown exponentially over the past two weeks
 
Nehemiah6

Nehemiah6

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Roughsoul1991 said:
But according to our local news in our hospital alone was 7 deaths and 1 death that was transferred to Atlanta from my county.
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Those numbers are from a specific date. The situation is changing on a daily basis so the numbers are all different today. The important thing to note is that the annual flu has an even greater impact on deaths, but for years that has been taken as a given. In 2017-18 flu deaths were 80,000 in the USA. As of today COVID-19 deaths are only 1,069.

So there is a political component to all these shut downs which people will only see after the dust settles.

I notice that laughing heart is laughing at the truth. That's fine, since the media continue to mock the truth and promote their lies. So it must be rubbing off on some.
 
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EleventhHour

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Yeah well, it just got a lot worse!
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Right the future was already in debt ..
Companies over leveraged, the government over leveraged.
It was never really that good it was a matter of time.
 
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EleventhHour

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Nehemiah6 said:
Those numbers are from a specific date. The situation is changing on a daily basis so the numbers are all different today. The important thing to note is that the annual flu has an even greater impact on deaths, but for years that has been taken as a given. In 2017-18 flu deaths were 80,000 in the USA. As of today COVID-19 deaths are only 1,069.

So there is a political component to all these shut downs which people will only see after the dust settles.
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Wrong this is not even comparable to the annual flu.
Do you have any kind of medical background to be making these false statements?
The world does not run on politics .... that is only window dressing the world runs on economics.
 
Ahwatukee

Ahwatukee

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EleventhHour said:
This is not a flu... this is a SARS virus, no comparison

Ignorance of medical facts is beyond belief.

Amazing that believer can be so hard hearted when doctors, nurses, paramedics are on the front lines dealing with this every day.
Front line workers have died and you the never to state Coruna who... very bad taste!!
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As I stated, the flu fatalities are much higher every year than this Covid-19 virus. Logic dictates that if this is the attention that the Corona virus is getting, why not the flu which kills many more? And that's a fact! But every year people just get their flu shots and thousands still die. No flight restrictions, no business shutdowns, etc. Yes, ignorance is beyond belief. All you have to do is go look up the statistics, which I already posted.
 
PennEd

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EleventhHour

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Ahwatukee said:
As I stated, the flu fatalities are much higher every year than this Covid-19 virus. Logic dictates that if this is the attention that the Corona virus is getting, why not the flu which kills many more? And that's a fact! But every year people just get their flu shots and thousands still die. No flight restrictions, no business shutdowns, etc. Yes, ignorance is beyond belief. All you have to do is go look up the statistics, which I already posted.
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Wrong again.
This is the start not the end.
The flu runs for 5 to 6 months... and they count people who die form Pneumonia in the annual flu count so the numbers are increased upward so that people will get vaccines.

This is about the health care system... boy talk about reducing the complexity of the situation

The regular flu season stretches the health care system this virus is over and above what hospitals deal with at full tilt.

The flu virus does not have the same transmission rate nor does it have the same mortality rate which is less than one percent who get it.

USA has already surpassed China in the number of cases and it at the start of the pandemic
I also suggest you do some study on basic calculus and learn exponential rate of growth.
 
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EleventhHour

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mailmandan said:
Did this virus originate in China? How did it originate? How did it spread so fast around the world? Is this germ warfare that got out of control? The more I hear about deaths surging and the devastation this virus has had on the economy, the more furious I become! :mad:
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This virus spreads fast because it incubates for up to 14 days.

Other virus have a two day incubation rate... in those twelve extra days people have far more connections with others so the growth is exponential.
And those 12 people are spreading to at least 3 or 4 other people and on and on.

The fist person to die of this was healthy and under 50.. so it is not just the elderly and the immune - compromised.
 
PennEd

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With the destruction of the US and Global economy, accompanied by a tremendous loss of freedom, we are either being lied to about just how incredibly deadly this virus is, and untold millions will die, or they know it is NOT incredibly deadly, and are using this as an excuse to completely control us and take away our liberty.

It will not be long now til either the very deadly event happens, or a MASSIVE pushback from those who will not tolerate enslavement.

I have personally struggled to try and be the Christian I think we should be. This will require much prayer, and reliance on the Holy Spirit to suppress the flesh from joining in the pushback.
 
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SpoonJuly

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With so much disinformation out there, I just do not know what to believe.
I am not scare or really worried because what will be will be and in the end a believer will be victorious.
In the mean time I will stay out here in the woods away from all the madness.
Unless we need a doctor, we can stay here for several years if need be.
 
Subhumanoidal

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PennEd said:
This is classic reinterpretation and adding to the point the op was making.

A tactic usually employed by leftists.
To say that if you dare question the draconian measures, that would have made the stasi, Maduro, and Tito blush, you are somehow lacking in empathy and compassion for your fellow man, is patently unfair.

Every death is tragic no matter what the cause. Yes we can limit all sorts of deaths by permanently living in little bubbles, isolated from the rest of humanity.

No one is against reasonable measures. NJ is reporting that up to 1/4 of the population (2 million) now have this virus. It’s out there now. There is no more viable reason to keep society closed. We should have listened to Trump and conservatives long ago and stringently sealed our borders.
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Events like this trigger two extremes, most commonly. Those who panic, and those who dismiss. I don't view speaking against either extreme and pointing out the flaws in such things as "leftist".
As a person at greater risk I am equally against the hoarding and fear mongering as I am against those who would dismiss this as nothing. I will not allow one to attempt to shame me for speaking against extremes.
Ironic telling me my views are unfair, for telling someone else their views are unfair.
The real fact is that facts are hard to come by. Everyone has different numbers, different projections, comparisons, etc... No one here has all the facts, except that this thing is real and a risk. Every other statistic can be counter with a differing statistic.
This thread is nothing different from a BDF thread of people with opposing "facts" claiming they, alone, have all the answers and everyone who disagrees is wrong.
So, yes, again, I will speak my voice against extremes, even if i get falsely accused.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Those numbers are from a specific date. The situation is changing on a daily basis so the numbers are all different today. The important thing to note is that the annual flu has an even greater impact on deaths, but for years that has been taken as a given. In 2017-18 flu deaths were 80,000 in the USA. As of today COVID-19 deaths are only 1,069.

So there is a political component to all these shut downs which people will only see after the dust settles.

I notice that laughing heart is laughing at the truth. That's fine, since the media continue to mock the truth and promote their lies. So it must be rubbing off on some.
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@laughingheart has already disclosed on CC on another thread that she has been told by her doctor that because she is receiving cancer treatments if she should get the virus with the anticipated shortage of ventilators she will not be placed on one.

I think the way you mock this virus go on with false facts about it being another flu in the face of all the death and tragedy it has and will soon quickly cause is just distasteful, and I could say worse but I won't.

You are just as much a victim of the media as the left, only on the flip side of the same coin.
 
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Subhumanoidal said:
Events like this trigger two extremes, most commonly. Those who panic, and those who dismiss. I don't view speaking against either extreme and pointing out the flaws in such things as "leftist".
As a person at greater risk I am equally against the hoarding and fear mongering as I am against those who would dismiss this as nothing. I will not allow one to attempt to shame me for speaking against extremes.
Ironic telling me my views are unfair, for telling someone else their views are unfair.
The real fact is that facts are hard to come by. Everyone has different numbers, different projections, comparisons, etc... No one here has all the facts, except that this thing is real and a risk. Every other statistic can be counter with a differing statistic.
This thread is nothing different from a BDF thread of people with opposing "facts" claiming they, alone, have all the answers and everyone who disagrees is wrong.
So, yes, again, I will speak my voice against extremes, even if i get falsely accused.
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I think if you know statistics, have access to research and you know where the biases are and what is being stated and what is not, you can get to the facts.

And there are many people neither panicking nor in denial.
 
Nehemiah6

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PennEd said:
Every death is tragic no matter what the cause.
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You've made a good point. If we are going to talk about deaths, we should list the numbers from January 1, 2020 to the present for the following:

1. Abortions
2. Old age
3. Drunk driving
4. Drug overdoses
5. Murders
6. Flu
7. COVID-19

That would definitely be an eye opener. For example, let's take abortion:

"The nation’s largest abortion provider [Planned Parentohood] performed 345,672 abortions between Oct. 1, 2017, and Sept. 30, 2018, "
https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/06/planned-parenthood-abortion-2018-2019/

So the average per month would be 28,806. Therefore for three months it would be 3 x 28,806 = 86, 418. Which exceeds the deaths from flu in 2018! Is anyone discussing this and asking for the prosecution of Planned Parenthood?

In comparison, for the past three months the deaths from Wuhan virus in the USA are slightly over 1,000.
 
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EleventhHour

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Nehemiah6 said:
You've made a good point. If we are going to talk about deaths, we should list the numbers from January 1, 2020 to the present for the following:

1. Abortions
2. Old age
3. Drunk driving
4. Drug overdoses
5. Murders
6. Flu
7. COVID-19

That would definitely be an eye opener. For example, let's take abortion:

"The nation’s largest abortion provider [Planned Parentohood] performed 345,672 abortions between Oct. 1, 2017, and Sept. 30, 2018, "
https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/06/planned-parenthood-abortion-2018-2019/

So the average per month would be 28,806. Therefore for three months it would be 3 x 28,806 = 86, 418. Which exceeds the deaths from flu in 2018! Is anyone discussing this and asking for the prosecution of Planned Parenthood?

In comparison, for the past three months the deaths from Wuhan virus in the USA are slightly over 1,000.
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One to Five not contagious.. not related.
 
Subhumanoidal

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EleventhHour said:
I think if you know statistics, have access to research and you know where the biases are and what is being stated and what is not, you can get to the facts.

And there are many people neither panicking nor in denial.
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I did say "most commonly", not entirely. I'm well aware there are those not engaged in either extreme. But there are also a lot who are in the extremes. And since those were the focus of my point, that's what I spoke on. I felt no need to clarify on things outside of my point, which is why I did not focus on those in the middle ground.
 
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Subhumanoidal said:
I did say "most commonly", not entirely. I'm well aware there are those not engaged in either extreme. But there are also a lot who are in the extremes. And since those were the focus of my point, that's what I spoke on. I felt no need to clarify on things outside of my point, which is why I did not focus on those in the middle ground.
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Yes you did. :)
 
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