What do you recommend as a response to invasion of Ukraine

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Cabrillo

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It is very clear that the US and NATO do not have the capability to enforce a No Fly zone over Ukraine. At least not "overnight". It might be possible given the total capability of the US and Europe to do something over the next one to two months. But that doesn't mean we could keep Russian planes out of Ukraine, all we could really do is protect one or two cities and cause Russian bombs to be less accurate.

However the cost would be very high and the risk would be ridiculous. Putin cannot afford to lose so this would simply escalate the war to something we can't even foresee but the threat of nuclear war is there.

Not only so but Russia and Ukraine represent 33% of the world's wheat exports. With such a war there would be a tremendous shortage of wheat worldwide, prices would go very high and this would be for all grains, not just wheat.

The people who would starve to death in the 3rd world would probably exceed the number that will die in Ukraine.

Not only so but Russia has already said that the US declared economic war on them and they will retaliate in kind. They are suggesting that oil will be over $300 a barrel. That is more than 7x what it was when Biden took office, we could see $14 a gallon gas.

What will the US be like with the price of food doubling and gas being that high? OK, it will be bad, but bad for us is catastrophic for the 3rd world.

So this is a really bad strategy. Contrast that with strengthening the NATO countries right next to Ukraine. That we can do, that is not provocative. If Russia attacks a NATO country then we are at war, what we should do is take all action to discourage Russia from attacking NATO
It's time to give up on the Internal combustion engine. It's past it's expiration date anyways.
 

ZNP

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There are many warnings coming from many of God's saints in these troubled times. While probably no one knows or understands with 100% certainly exactly what comes next, the warnings point in a general direction if carefully considered.

Now is the time to be getting ready for what's next. And no one likes dire warnings, but they serve a purpose and thus many are included in God's own Word.
Yes when I look at what happened in Ukraine and wonder what should we do at the very least we should learn from this. They were warned for months, it was very clear for at least 2 full months that Russia was preparing for war (I started a thread on this because Blinken said as much on Dec 1st). Well guess what, Russia just said we are at economic war with him and they will retaliate against us shortly.

Now consider the humanitarian crisis. All of these women and children who are killed are those who did not respond two months ago when the whole world could see that Russia was preparing for war.

People in the US need to brace themselves for war and if you live in a major city you should expect that attack to hit you hardest. It could be a cyber attack, it could be oil at $300 a barrel, it could be worse.

Putin has not bluffed so far it is absurd to think that this threat is a bluff.
 

ZNP

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I truly think we should have given up petroleum decades ago... I'm a retired auto emissions controls inspector/ mechanic.
So you want to ramp up coal fired power plants? Why would that be better?
 
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So you want to ramp up coal fired power plants? Why would that be better?
It's my understanding that there's clean coal technology now. Using scrubbers, particulates can be removed from smoke so that steam is basically all that is being vented into the atmosphere.

I do think there are responsible ways to harvest and utilize fossil fuels. And then we could talk about the free energy technologies that are being suppressed for purposes of control and money making.

At any rate, a balanced approach and a real strategy are needed in order for America to maintain energy independence while converting to renewable energy sources. Sadly, the energy situation bounces back and forth between administrations like a ping pong ball. Trump made us energy independent again and we had lots of reserves. Biden destroyed all of that in less than a year. Ping pong ping pong. No forward progress.
 

ZNP

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I have talked about my suggestions but we should talk about the US strategy -- the idea of getting weapons to Ukraine through back channels. That is called a proxy war. You fight Russia using a proxy. This is what we did in Vietnam. We did this to Russia years ago in Afghanistan.

If you do this then Ukraine will be at war for 20 years and you won't get any wheat from them at all for that time. Say hello to massive worldwide famine that persists. Also if you don't like what you have seen in the first 2 weeks wait till you see what happens in the first two years, much less the 20 years.

That is probably the worst choice for Ukraine and the most expensive choice for the world.
 

ZNP

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It's my understanding that there's clean coal technology now. Using scrubbers, particulates can be removed from smoke so that steam is basically all that is being vented into the atmosphere.

I do think there are responsible ways to harvest and utilize fossil fuels. And then we could talk about the free energy technologies that are being suppressed for purposes of control and money making.

At any rate, a balanced approach and a real strategy are needed in order for America to maintain energy independence while converting to renewable energy sources. Sadly, the energy situation bounces back and forth between administrations like a ping pong ball. Trump made us energy independent again and we had lots of reserves. Biden destroyed all of that in less than a year. Ping pong ping pong. No forward progress.
Yes, there are such technologies. They currently represent 0.1% of coal fired power plants in the US.

So you are recommending a massive overhaul in all of our coal fired plants, a strange thing for the "green new deal" to be fixing coal plants which is why they don't even mention that.

However, even if you did it (don't even know if it is feasible or possible) you still have the damage from mining, transportation and ash.

There is only one solution and it is Fusion, anything else is not a winning strategy.
 
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Yes, there are such technologies. They currently represent 0.1% of coal fired power plants in the US.

So you are recommending a massive overhaul in all of our coal fired plants, a strange thing for the "green new deal" to be fixing coal plants which is why they don't even mention that.

However, even if you did it (don't even know if it is feasible or possible) you still have the damage from mining, transportation and ash.

There is only one solution and it is Fusion, anything else is not a winning strategy.
My dad was a "nuke" -- an engineer and officer on a nuclear-powered submarine. He told me when he got out of the Navy he wanted to work in nuclear power in the public sector... but such a field really didn't exist, so he worked for the Department of Energy for a while.

The Navy successfully runs hundreds or maybe thousands of nuclear reactors every day in the nuclear navy. No reason why we couldn't power the entire nation's fixed infrastructure this way. And if the power companies cannot handle it, put Navy personnel in charge. It IS a matter of national security after all.
 

ZNP

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Another thing that is not on my list of what we should do

The US is sending Kamala Harris. I don't recommend this. Let's ignore all the insulting past and assume the absolute best. For the first time in her tenure as VP she does a stellar job. It doesn't matter, no one will have any respect for her based on everything she has done and said up to this point, she will be seen as a joke. If Russia cannot afford to lose then you can be real sure they can't afford to lose to Kamala Harris. There is no face saving way for Russia to pull out of Ukraine if it is brokered by Kamala Harris. That is just the present reality. Maybe after a string of successes over the next couple of years Kamala could change that perspective but that is certainly the way Putin and the world sees her today.

I was a high school teacher and you learn a few things about classroom management. The first thing is "you can't lose". The mind of a teenager is that if they see Johnny get one up on the teacher then you can be sure Billy has to as well. It is ego. They will talk about it, boast about it, brag about it, etc.

So experienced teachers know that when a showdown does occur you cannot afford to lose. I can give many examples of this but there have been times when the administration did not want to take appropriate action and so I would spend hours going over the Chancellor's regulations and writing up detailed accounts like a legal document. Any experienced teacher who is good at classroom management knows this. This is critical in September. You can't bluff. If you say you'll make phone calls you better make them. Kids have to know that what happens today in class will be transparent to their parents that night.

I used a robo call system but my kids learned that when I said I would call there was no bluff. I had a couple of parents talk to the principal asking that I not call them anymore but for the most part parents would stop by the principal to tell her how happy they were that I kept them informed. Usually the principal would get on teachers to make calls, but she never did that with me, she knew from the parents that I was on top of that.

So when I look at Kamala she is already in the Spring semester and all the kids have learned they can walk all over her. No one is going to stop now. This is who the Biden administration is sending to Poland, the one teacher that is so incompetent every kid in the school knows it.
 

ZNP

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My dad was a "nuke" -- an engineer and officer on a nuclear-powered submarine. He told me when he got out of the Navy he wanted to work in nuclear power in the public sector... but such a field really didn't exist, so he worked for the Department of Energy for a while.

The Navy successfully runs hundreds or maybe thousands of nuclear reactors every day in the nuclear navy. No reason why we couldn't power the entire nation's fixed infrastructure this way. And if the power companies cannot handle it, put Navy personnel in charge. It IS a matter of national security after all.
I agreed with everything until "no reason..." Try and sell that to the American people after Chernobyl, Fukushima, and 3 mile Island.

I am not an idiot, I know that nuclear power is probably the cleanest and best option we have right now but I also know that the battle to get the plants built will be ridiculous, NIMBY. That is why we don't build nuclear power plants anymore.
 

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So you want to ramp up coal fired power plants? Why would that be better?
I'd rather use solar and wind farms. I've considered the petroleum industry defilers of God's earth and have read enough OT prophecy to know their cobwebs of pipelines across the holy land will be incinerated PTL!
 

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3. Every dollar we spend to defend the Ukrainian border and to beef up security in Poland and Romania needs to be matched with money to finish our Southern wall. It is absurd to tell us that the Ukrainian border is sacred to America but our own border is not.
While this is a nice idea, makes sense, etc. - I have one better...

We need to put some high-priority on taking care of some things at home first!

I would say - secure our borders first - and, upon full completion of that - then - see about similar foreign concerns...
 

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My reasoning was simple -- how is buying more oil from Saudi Arabia, Venezuela or Iran better than buying it from Russia?
Exactly. It is plain STUPIDITY since all the oil is sitting in North America waiting to be pumped out. So we have domestic enemies destroying America from within while the RINOs stand by and do nothing.
 

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What do you recommend as a response to invasion of Ukraine

to remember how much corruption the Ukraine and the Biden's have in common
 

ZNP

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I'd rather use solar and wind farms. I've considered the petroleum industry defilers of God's earth and have read enough OT prophecy to know their cobwebs of pipelines across the holy land will be incinerated PTL!
You can't use solar and wind unless you have a way to store the energy. These are intermittent energy sources
 

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I doesn't make sense to complain about undocumented workers flocking into your state if your state is #2 in he USA in letting immigrants work as undocumented workers,,,,(fine the employers,put the governors or whoever permits this in jail) they flock into Texas because they get to work undocumented... https://www.statista.com/chart/18392/undocumented-us-population-by-state/ If they really want to slow down illegal border crossing's they would stop providing them with jobs. Okay scratch that idea it's really fun blaming it on someone else... lol.
 

iamsoandso

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oh no their climbing over the wall and running and fighting to get to the undocumented worker jobs in Texas...
 

Cabrillo

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You can't use solar and wind unless you have a way to store the energy. These are intermittent energy sources
Well they are working on it. Unfortunately they're about 75 years behind. I have more than a strong suspission that the petrol companies and the auto makers coluded in attempting to make us petrol dependent... Addicts!

Look up the creation of the ethyl corperation between GM (DuPont) and John D. Rockefeller.