What is a Jew?

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Hasn't anyone noticed that 'jew' is not once mentioned in the old testament
Jews and Israelites are two different topics of conversation

Christians do not call themselves Jews and Jew surely don't call themselves Christians so
''A Jew is anyone who invests their faith in the Truth ! No matter the race or color of skin !
And the Truth is the Lord's Word !'' doesn't really fit the bill

What kind of Jew are we talking about here?
Ashkenazi
Sephardic
There are soo many others divisions
Remember a lot of the jews we see are those who migrated from Europe to north, east Africa and surrounding countries and adopted the native practises and customs
In reality a lot of them have no relation to the bible characters whatsoever
Revelations describes those that worship in synagogues pretty clearly

zionism is old news and every follower of Christ should be aware such organisations

Proverbs 1:22 “How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple? How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing and fools hate knowledge?
 
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Hasn't anyone noticed that 'jew' is not once mentioned in the old testament
Jews and Israelites are two different topics of conversation
Not once other than the 75 times in the King James translation of the Old Testament.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon :: H3064

2Ki 16:6 At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.

Neh 1:2 That Hanani, one of my brethren, came, he and certain men of Judah; and I asked them concerning the Jews that had escaped, which were left of the captivity, and concerning Jerusalem.

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Now here is the difference between the jews and the gentile and the church of god
A Gentile is some one who is not a jew...
A Jew is a Jew.....of the flesh of the abraham which is carnal which is flesh and carnal.....and vain and nothing..
Now they both can be heathen..
Unbelievers of the truth...
But a gentile does not need to be.....
Nor does a Jew if he know that he is nothing.. that he is not a jew..... If he knows that flesh is nothing....
Now the church of God is the Church of God.. The body of God.. the congregation of God....
There is nor jew nor gentile in this church of God...


Now this is a Jew that is fleshly...
This is those that think being a isarealite..... trying to follow the old covenant which is no more


Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;


(Or that of fringes... which are corruptible and of this world..)
(We are saved by grace Not by works it is a gift of God lest any any man should boast)


But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
He was chosen before the foundation of the world but was revealed at the end of the times for you
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Not of the seed of abraham... of Man....But of the seed of God...
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:




we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code"
Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.




Flesh is nothng... and the body is corruptible.....And the blood in the body which is of this world is also nothing....They are flesh,carnal, and worldly...
IF you think your in the family of god if your of the family of a man... when god is a spirit and man is flesh.. you are a fool in spirit....And no nothing of the wisdom of God which is spirit....


But some of the believers from the party of the Pharisees(Which u are and learn from) stood up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to command them to keep the law of Moses!"


And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.


And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.


And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;


And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.


Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.


Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.


And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:


Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.


And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,


After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:


That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.


Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.


Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:


But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.


For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.


Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:


And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:


Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:


It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,


Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.


For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;


That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:


Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.


And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.


And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles.


Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still


Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.


And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.


And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark.


But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work (This is work... The work of the gospel is not the work of that which is isnt...)


(Be not deceived to even do the work of Gospel.. To even know of it u have have to holy spirit...)


(And be baptized of it and fire.. the fires of adversity..Then u can learn and grow in the word... which this in it self is a working of the gospel.. then after u have grown in the work u can do this work...)


(Which is Not fleshly... Not worldy... Not with money...... Does god give money? Is money anything? No it is nothing...)


And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?


And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.


And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.


Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.


And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.


And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!


And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!


It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?


And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
 

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I'm a descendant of Abraham and Esau, I can't see your point.

Are you say something new? Rabbis against Zionism? The Neturei Karta had a protest only 2 weeks ago right here in Los Angeles. This is old stuff, I don't need to look at Press TV too see it, it's right outside.

Neturei Karta Demonstrations

Next time could you have a little compassion for the rest of us and send a link to RT or Al-Jazeera? They hate Israel a lot, but they're edifying rather than painful like PressTV.

Since you're determined to practice bloodline theories, let's start with the "Average IQ Map of the World" from Wikipedia. What does it say about Drett's Australian bloodlines? What does this mean for your bloodline theories? What's your opinion as an Australian, since you already have my opinion as a descendant of Abraham.

Is racism working out for you?

File:AverageIQ-Map-World.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Interesting how you label me a racist then turn around and racially attack Australia.

Many Christians support the Zionist occupation of Palestine due to Genesis 12:3. I am pointing out that the people in Israel are not descendants of Abraham. Jews are Khazars.

The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik (“a Jew”) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct.

Until I get it into people's head that there is no justification for the occupation of Palestine then the war crimes will continue. That is what drives me. Your attack of Australia gives me a glimpse on what drives you.
 
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Interesting how you label me a racist then turn around and racially attack Australia.

Many Christians support the Zionist occupation of Palestine due to Genesis 12:3. I am pointing out that the people in Israel are not descendants of Abraham. Jews are Khazars.

The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik (“a Jew”) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct.

Until I get it into people's head that there is no justification for the occupation of Palestine then the war crimes will continue. That is what drives me. Your attack of Australia gives me a glimpse on what drives you.
That's exactly my point. The Khazarian Hypothesis is a bloodline theory. Since bloodline theories are so important to you then be sure take pride in your Australian bloodline. Why not?

BUT, why would you apply it to Israelis and not to Australians?
How much Aboriginal genocide are we going to have to look at?
What did your ancestors do in Australia, and to whom?
Or does that only apply to the peoples of the Middle East?
Why do you have one standard for Australians and another for Israelis?

Your attack on Jewish heritage gives me a glimpse on what drives you.
 
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the 'khazar hypothesis' has been debunked by modern genetic studies of jewish and other middle eastern populations...

elhaik's study has fatal flaws stemming from some historical misunderstandings on his part...specifically related to his choice of the non khazar related armenians and georgians as proxies for the khazar gene pool...those flaws completely invalidate his conclusions...reevaluating the data after recognizing those flaws actually -strengthens- the 'rhineland hypothesis' that elhaik thought his data had disproved...

a debate on that can be found in this thread... http://christianchat.com/conspiracy-corruption-discussion-forum/69217-ashkenazi-jews-khazars.html
 
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In response to the video from the OP. What about Samaritans? It would be funny if the tables turned on the discrimination of the Jews, that now Samaritans are more Hebrew [by blood] than they (most Jews not all). Someone here shed some light on this subject? Just curious...
 

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the 'khazar hypothesis' has been debunked by modern genetic studies of jewish and other middle eastern populations...

elhaik's study has fatal flaws stemming from some historical misunderstandings on his part...specifically related to his choice of the non khazar related armenians and georgians as proxies for the khazar gene pool...those flaws completely invalidate his conclusions...reevaluating the data after recognizing those flaws actually -strengthens- the 'rhineland hypothesis' that elhaik thought his data had disproved...

a debate on that can be found in this thread... http://christianchat.com/conspiracy-corruption-discussion-forum/69217-ashkenazi-jews-khazars.html
Thanks Rachel, I'll have a look
 

Drett

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That's exactly my point. The Khazarian Hypothesis is a bloodline theory. Since bloodline theories are so important to you then be sure take pride in your Australian bloodline. Why not?

BUT, why would you apply it to Israelis and not to Australians?
How much Aboriginal genocide are we going to have to look at?
What did your ancestors do in Australia, and to whom?
Or does that only apply to the peoples of the Middle East?
Why do you have one standard for Australians and another for Israelis?

Your attack on Jewish heritage gives me a glimpse on what drives you.
Blood line is not important to me. It is important to Zioist that use it as a justification to oppress Palestinians. They feel Palestine is their God given right.
 
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Blood line is not important to me. It is important to Zioist that use it as a justification to oppress Palestinians. They feel Palestine is their God given right.
Your own people have never done anything like this?

Australia’s reputation for genocide

Australia’s reputation for genocide

MOST Australians would be taken aback to find that whenever academics in the field of genocide studies discuss history’s worst examples, their own country is soon mentioned. The March 2001 edition of the London-based Journal of Genocide Research indicated the company Australia now keeps. That edition carried six articles, in the following order:

‘The German Police and Genocide in Belorussia 1941–1944. Part 1: Police Deployment and Nazi Genocidal Directives’, by Eric Haberer

‘Comparative Policy and Differential Practice in the Treatment of Minori*ties in Wartime: The United States Archival Evidence on the Armenians and Greeks in the Ottoman Empire’, by Rouben Paul Adalian

‘Final Solutions, Crimes Against Mankind: On the Genesis and Criticism of the Concept of Genocide’, by Uwe Makino

‘The Holocaust, the Aborigines, and the Bureaucracy of Destruction: An Australian Dimension of Genocide’, by Paul R. Bartrop

‘Did Ben-Gurion Reverse his Position on Bombing Auschwitz?’, by Rich*ard H. Levy

‘Kalmykia, Victim of Stalinist Genocide: From Oblivion to Reassertion’, by François Grin

According to Paul Bartrop of Deakin University, Australia deserves this place in the academic literature because our past policies towards Aboriginal children were comparable to those of Nazi Germany. ‘It did not involve killing,’ he admitted, ‘but its ultimate objective was the same as Hitler’s was for the Jews; namely, that at the end of the process the target group would have disappeared from the face of the earth.’ Hence he declared with confidence: ‘It is impossible to conclude otherwise than that Australia in the 1930s was possessed of an administrative culture that in reality practised genocide.’ In its first ten years from 1999 to 2009, the quarterly Journal of Genocide Research published twelve major articles of this kind about Australia. This was more than three times as many as the journal carried in the same period on the regime of Pol Pot in Cambodia. In Volume 10, Issue 4, 2008, no fewer than three of the seven articles were on Australia: one on the Stolen Generations and two on colonial history. Indicting Australia for genocide has become an academic obsession.

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My grandmother is a Jew, so I am Jewish by ethnicity; yet, I am Christian, so I am also a spiritual Jew. If you would like to read an excellent book of the Bible which discusses the differences between ethnic and spiritual Jews, might I suggest you read the Book of Romans? It contains some very interesting points pertaining to this topic.
 
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''Many Christians support the Zionist occupation of Palestine''.

There never was a country of Palistine. The palistinians are nomadic people's whose normal territories were in Jordan and Syria. The palistinians, many of whom are christians, were forced by those said nations, into Israel to create conflict.

Yassar Arafat was a thug. He used the palistinian peoples for his own agenda, power and wealth, for which he received a Nobel Peace Prize. Amazing.

There is no appeasement with those who are against Israel. There have been many attempts to reconcile and give palistinians lands and a part of the government. Israel's enemies want Israel....dead not occupied by ''palistinians''.

Seems there are many enemies of the jews here as well...kinda sad really
 

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''Many Christians support the Zionist occupation of Palestine''.

There never was a country of Palistine. The palistinians are nomadic people's whose normal territories were in Jordan and Syria. The palistinians, many of whom are christians, were forced by those said nations, into Israel to create conflict.

Yassar Arafat was a thug. He used the palistinian peoples for his own agenda, power and wealth, for which he received a Nobel Peace Prize. Amazing.

There is no appeasement with those who are against Israel. There have been many attempts to reconcile and give palistinians lands and a part of the government. Israel's enemies want Israel....dead not occupied by ''palistinians''.

Seems there are many enemies of the jews here as well...kinda sad really
Hi S

What is your opinion of approval of 1000 new settlements just before peace negotiations ?
 
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Hi S

What is your opinion of approval of 1000 new settlements just before peace negotiations ?
That there is no such thing as a ''peace negotiation'' with people who constantly break their promises and whose goal is the death of all jews....even though Israel keeps trying.
 

Drett

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That there is no such thing as a ''peace negotiation'' with people who constantly break their promises and whose goal is the death of all jews....even though Israel keeps trying.
Yes I agree ...... oh you are talking about the Palestinians. :)

As I said just before peace negotiations are to take place, 1000 news settlements have been approved. This looks to me like the Israelis have no interest in peace.


"This is not negotiation. It's an exercise in humiliation," the official toldThe Telegraph. "It's clear Israel has no interest in ending the occupation," They're doing everything possible to keep us way from the negotiating table."

Israel approves new settler homes in east Jerusalem on eve of peace talks - Telegraph
 
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Yes I agree ...... oh you are talking about the Palestinians. :)

As I said just before peace negotiations are to take place, 1000 news settlements have been approved. This looks to me like the Israelis have no interest in peace.


"This is not negotiation. It's an exercise in humiliation," the official toldThe Telegraph. "It's clear Israel has no interest in ending the occupation," They're doing everything possible to keep us way from the negotiating table."

Israel approves new settler homes in east Jerusalem on eve of peace talks - Telegraph
There is no such thing as ''palestinians''. These people did not live in the area now occupied by Israel...never did.
 
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There is no such thing as ''palestinians''. These people did not live in the area now occupied by Israel...never did.
Israel is a modern nation-state, not an "area now occupied".

nation-state - Wiktionary

nation-state: A political entity (a state) associated with a particular cultural entity (a nation) and a sovereign territorial unit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

"Israel, officially the State of Israel, is a parliamentary democracy in the Middle East, on the south-eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east, Egypt and the Gaza Strip on the southwest, and the Gulf of Aqaba in the Red Sea to the south, and it contains geographically diverse features within its relatively small area. In its Basic Laws Israel defines itself as a Jewish and Democratic State; it is the world's only Jewish-majority state."