What is the Lesson from the +4 Trillion in lawsuits and judgements against Alex Jones

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Dude653

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Psalm 130:4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.

There is no forgiveness with the world, they are like drug lords and gang members. As a result no one fears to lie to them. Why do you think people flip and go into witness protection? There is no forgiveness, no reconciliation. This is why the advice now is to never apologize to the woke crowd. I am no fan of Alex Jones, but I don't think $4 trillion in damages is a fair estimate of what he has done but I don't know, I will trust the Lord on that one. What I do know is the entire world is messed up, the criminal justice system is a complete farce. It looks like Paul Pelosi had a date with a homosexual prostitute go bad and the next day Biden is blaming Trump voters. Pelosi's house is surrounded by cameras, you would think they would check the video tape before they make ugly slanderous allegations like that. Can Trump voters sue? Of course not. How about Jussie Smollett, can anyone with a MAGA hat, shirt or yard sign sue him? Of course not. How about Lebron James and the NBA can the residents of Kenosha sue him for inciting the riots? Of course not.

The Lord Jesus is going to sort all this out, hopefully starting tomorrow.
People can be forgiven but but Justice must prevail. Romans chapter 13 talks about that one
 

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This is not whataboutism. If the application of justice seems incredibly one sided then you will force the country into a civil war.

You have Maxine Waters clearly inciting people to commit harassment crimes, no consequences at all, then you have a guy on the other side and he is sued for $4 trillion. This is very clearly the takeaway from many people that we are being ruled by hypocrites and justice has been perverted. We have many people committing heinous felonies being released in 24 hours and yet we have others who have committed a misdemeanor, harming no one and causing no damage and yet they are kept in the DC Gulag.

We have a guy in NY terrorizing the city by chopping up a McDonald's with an axe and he is let out the next day, Paul Pelosi has a date with a homosexual prostitute go south and this guy will go to prison for life. This isn't whataboutism, this is the discussion of this thread. The lesson from what we are seeing is that the country is being split in two, justice is perverted, and the only people who get prosecuted for slander are those who slander the wrong people.
 

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This is not whataboutism. If the application of justice seems incredibly one sided then you will force the country into a civil war.

You have Maxine Waters clearly inciting people to commit harassment crimes, no consequences at all, then you have a guy on the other side and he is sued for $4 trillion. This is very clearly the takeaway from many people that we are being ruled by hypocrites and justice has been perverted. We have many people committing heinous felonies being released in 24 hours and yet we have others who have committed a misdemeanor, harming no one and causing no damage and yet they are kept in the DC Gulag.

We have a guy in NY terrorizing the city by chopping up a McDonald's with an axe and he is let out the next day, Paul Pelosi has a date with a homosexual prostitute go south and this guy will go to prison for life. This isn't whataboutism, this is the discussion of this thread. The lesson from what we are seeing is that the country is being split in two, justice is perverted, and the only people who get prosecuted for slander are those who slander the wrong people.
Every person who entered that building on January 6th should be prosecuted for sedition.
Including any police officers who let people in
 

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Every person who entered that building on January 6th should be prosecuted for sedition.
Including any police officers who let people in
I have seen some video of some very bad people who I agree, sedition. None of those people have been charged. The guy with the pipe bomb, sedition. Ray Epps, that is sedition. Some BLM activist who filmed a whole lot of what was going on clearly had a history of sedition. Even the guy who put his feet on Nancy Pelosi's desk, if you want, he can be charged with sedition.

Those four appear to be two FBI plants, one BLM activist and one right wing anarchist.

If you want to charge the chubacka guy with sedition as well go for it.

But to my observation all the ones they have charged that were Trump supporters were stooges, fools, and naive freedom fighters who didn't have any business getting into the ring.

If you are going to prosecute them for sedition then it must be fully transparent and just. They need to get good legal counsel and you need to prove more than simply trespassing. Let's see the text messages, emails and phone calls that indicated they wanted to overthrow the government. What the government is doing is despicable. Conditions in the prison are despicable. Access to legal counsel and the transparency of the process has been deplorable. The impression we are all seeing is that these are not fair trials. Why hasn't the guy with the pipe bomb been arrested? Why is Ray Epps not in jail? Why is the BLM activist who filmed everything not in jail.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the people who appear to be the ringleaders and the most guilty are not arrested, there will be an equal and opposite reaction. If grandmothers and grandfathers who have never committed a crime, have no communications that would indicate insurrection and they are being held up as the criminals, then that also will have an equal and opposite reaction. The country must see that the process is just, that the application of the law is fair and without political bias, and the message must be that truth prevails and you can trust the government.

That has not been the message and as a result no one (other than you) cares about Jan 6th and it is simply acting to split the country in half. Clearly this is the main issue the Democrats are pushing for the Midterms, let's see how that works out for them.

Can you imagine that Paul Pelosi picks up a male prostitute, brings him home, gets into a fight and within hours Biden is blaming January 6th? This is why the entire country sees this for what it is, a pathetic joke put on by the criminal Biden family and his corrupt administration.
 
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He said that after the fact after the damage had already been done. One of the families had to move 10 times because the Alex Jones Colt was stalking him and threatening to kill them
That's not Alex Jones responsibility.
 

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He said that after the fact after the damage had already been done. One of the families had to move 10 times because the Alex Jones Colt was stalking him and threatening to kill them
Well that horse needs to be put down. We can't have horses going around threatening to kill people.
 

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I don't have any sympathy for him. He brought this on himself. All I care about is the families who lost their children
 

Dude653

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i will explain this one more time and no more- alex has been saying that he was wrong and the shooting was real for years.

i know. i am a regular listener and know because i have heard him say it for 5 years now. i have heard callers tell him " you know it was fake, why are you selling us out?"

so, the real sandy hook deniers are mad at him.
Also you got butt hurt because I won't "respect" someone who bullied grieving families.
If you think this behavior is worthy of respect and you have a twisted sense of morality
 

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DHS LEAKS: Starting in 2020, DHS began meeting with Twitter, Facebook, Wikipedia and more monthly to coordinate 'content moderation' efforts

https://thepostmillennial.com/dhs-l...content-moderation-efforts?utm_campaign=64487

What we are learning is that the DHS is actively involved in violating the first amendment in the Bill of Rights. They did that in Facebook, Twitter, Wikipedia, and no doubt Youtube and Google. But if you weren't on a government controlled platform like Alex Jones then they will sue you for $4 trillion dollars.
 

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You don't have first amendment rights on a private owned social media site. They can filter content at their own discretion
Also you agree to follow their community standards when you create your account..
Also, I have exactly zero sympathy for him. He brought this on himself
 

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You don't have first amendment rights on a private owned social media site. They can filter content at their own discretion
Also you agree to follow their community standards when you create your account..
Also, I have exactly zero sympathy for him. He brought this on himself
You missed the entire point. DHS has no right to be telling private companies to censor people. If they were being directed by the government to censor then the DHS was in violation of the constitution. The evidence is supporting the allegation that the "private companies" were acting as a proxy of the US government to censor constitutionally protected speech.
 

Dude653

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As for the trillion thing, they're trying to permanently bankrupt him to make sure he never does this again.
I believe the phrase here is (explitive) around and find out.
This is like poking a hornet's nest and pretending to be the victim when they come out and sting you. Again, he brought this on himself and I have no sympathy for him
 

ZNP

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As for the trillion thing, they're trying to permanently bankrupt him to make sure he never does this again.
I believe the phrase here is (explitive) around and find out.
This is like poking a hornet's nest and pretending to be the victim when they come out and sting you. Again, he brought this on himself and I have no sympathy for him
Don't care what their motive is, justice is blind, trying to bankrupt a person is not justice.

If someone was forced to move ten times and they lost money and had suffering as a result the damage might be $1million, the punitive damages $5million and the total judgement $6 million. Regardless of whether or not we agree that Alex Jones is responsible for what some looney does who listens to his podcast everyone should agree that the Looney also bears some responsibility. So I would have no problem with Alex Jones getting a $6 million judgement and the looney also getting a $6 million judgement doubling the overall judgement.

But throwing a person into solitary confinement because of a misdemeanor, or releasing a guy with 30+ felonies back onto the streets to kill someone, these are not just verdicts. Giving someone a $4 trillion dollar lawsuit over something that should be $6 million is not just.

Making someone 100% responsible for the actions committed by another person is not a just verdict.
 

Dude653

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Don't care what their motive is, justice is blind, trying to bankrupt a person is not justice.

If someone was forced to move ten times and they lost money and had suffering as a result the damage might be $1million, the punitive damages $5million and the total judgement $6 million. Regardless of whether or not we agree that Alex Jones is responsible for what some looney does who listens to his podcast everyone should agree that the Looney also bears some responsibility. So I would have no problem with Alex Jones getting a $6 million judgement and the looney also getting a $6 million judgement doubling the overall judgement.

But throwing a person into solitary confinement because of a misdemeanor, or releasing a guy with 30+ felonies back onto the streets to kill someone, these are not just verdicts. Giving someone a $4 trillion dollar lawsuit over something that should be $6 million is not just.

Making someone 100% responsible for the actions committed by another person is not a just verdict.
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth
He destroyed these people's lives and now he can get the same. That's Justice
 

ZNP

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Eye for eye, tooth for tooth
He destroyed these people's lives and now he can get the same. That's Justice
One eye for one eye means the judgement must fit the damages. There is a scene in the Godfather where this guy wants the Godfather to kill a boy that had sex with his daughter. The Godfather replies, your daughter is still alive, that is not justice. But he does agree to go beat this kid up and put him in the hospital sending a message you don't mess with this guys daughter.

So yes, if this person or persons can demonstrate that they lost $1 trillion then sure I could see with punitive damages that the judgement would be $4 trillion.

Likewise, if they can prove that Alex Jones made $1 trillion off of this lie, then $4 trillion would certainly be in the ballpark of what justice should be.

I suspect that for every dollar he made during shows with that lie he lost more than a dollar. I have heard of Alex Jones for two years but never wanted to watch him and that was because of this very thing, I heard he was saying that Sandy Hook was made up. That sounded far too wing nut for me. (kind of like the earth is flat or the moon landing was staged)
 

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One eye for one eye means the judgement must fit the damages. There is a scene in the Godfather where this guy wants the Godfather to kill a boy that had sex with his daughter. The Godfather replies, your daughter is still alive, that is not justice. But he does agree to go beat this kid up and put him in the hospital sending a message you don't mess with this guys daughter.

So yes, if this person or persons can demonstrate that they lost $1 trillion then sure I could see with punitive damages that the judgement would be $4 trillion.

Likewise, if they can prove that Alex Jones made $1 trillion off of this lie, then $4 trillion would certainly be in the ballpark of what justice should be.

I suspect that for every dollar he made during shows with that lie he lost more than a dollar. I have heard of Alex Jones for two years but never wanted to watch him and that was because of this very thing, I heard he was saying that Sandy Hook was made up. That sounded far too wing nut for me. (kind of like the earth is flat or the moon landing was staged)
The idea is to make sure he never does this again, as he has displayed zero remorse for what he did.
Juries don't appreciate unremorseful defendants.
In my opinion this falls under stochastic terrorism in which you demonize a group of people to the point that attacks against them become inevitable
 

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The idea is to make sure he never does this again, as he has displayed zero remorse for what he did.
Juries don't appreciate unremorseful defendants.
In my opinion this falls under stochastic terrorism in which you demonize a group of people to the point that attacks against them become inevitable

words=terrorism.

the mind of a liberal.
 

Dude653

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words=terrorism.

the mind of a liberal.
Well for starters Alex Jones targets a specific audience which tim foil hat cuckoos
. So what do you think is going to happen when you push a narrative that these people lied about the deaths of their children in order to push gun control. You're going to have every bat poop crazy gun nut ready to take matters into their own hands which is exactly what happened
Words can do irreversible damage but we've already covered this like when the Catholic spent 2,000 years defaming the Jews which led to the Holocaust... Funny how conservatives demand Justice until it comes to one of their own.
 

ZNP

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targets a specific audience which tim foil hat cuckoos
This is arrogant. Pride goes before a fall. You are notorious for calling everything a tin foil hat cuckoo and you have been proved wrong repeatedly.