Who is voting for Trump again?
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Banning it will be a matter of the Supreme Court ruling on it, and conservative judges will have to be in the majority. Republicans have defunded abortion, and have actively worked toward as much restriction as possible until when the case comes before the supreme Court of it ever does again.
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I don't know where you buy your shoes, but the Supreme Court was where that battle began
ridiculosityextracheeseholdthemayo nonsense you are spouting
ridiculosityextracheeseholdthemayo nonsense you are spouting
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hypocraphobiadistortiumadinfinitum
hypocra-phobia-distortium-ad-infinitum
almost as good as that big word from Mary Poppins
hypocra-phobia-distortium-ad-infinitum
almost as good as that big word from Mary Poppins
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and I'm not even American but I agree...of course up in Canada we get pleeenty of US news while the news media down here seems to be only interested in what kind of make up Trudeau prefers
My head hangs low and I drag my toes, as I walk away real slow.
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Sad severe over simplification. The pivoting vote was cast by a Republican appointee, appointed Dwight Eisenhower, who was a republican but not a conservative. He was a moderate at best. He described himself as a "progressive conservative" and used such terms as "progressive moderate" and "dynamic conservatism".
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It’s amusing to see how you’re buying into her straw man😁.
She really knows how to play people.
Question remains: Why are you accepting that? You do know that her answer didn’t have anything to do with what I said?
So again? Why are you acting like this? You scared of that person? Looks like you are😁.
She really knows how to play people.
Question remains: Why are you accepting that? You do know that her answer didn’t have anything to do with what I said?
So again? Why are you acting like this? You scared of that person? Looks like you are😁.
You’re grasping at straws here Magenta. I'm pretty sure you know that. The funny thing is, after seeing your politics for a half dozen yrs, you are very close to what I believe, but have felt the need to constantly back a certain gentleman. (understandable, and admirable)
You also like to slice and dice a person's post to obfuscate the main point. So let's slice and dice.
A - I meant Those who vote Democrat ACTUALLY perform the torture, dismemberment, and death of the unborn child through abortion themselves.
B - I meant those who vote Democrat SUPPORT, and EMPOWER those who enact Laws, and appoint judges, that make it more easier and legal to torture, dismember, and kill unborn children.
Which one do you think I meant? A or B?
You also like to slice and dice a person's post to obfuscate the main point. So let's slice and dice.
A - I meant Those who vote Democrat ACTUALLY perform the torture, dismemberment, and death of the unborn child through abortion themselves.
B - I meant those who vote Democrat SUPPORT, and EMPOWER those who enact Laws, and appoint judges, that make it more easier and legal to torture, dismember, and kill unborn children.
Which one do you think I meant? A or B?
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Ha, you're funny. You got jokes.
I'm going to be in your town this morning. I have a meeting at UTMB at 7:00am.
just because I have a disagreement with somebody does not mean that I hold a grudge against them. We are all Christians, and thus like that song from the 70s, " We are family."
And yes I hold to that idea, Sister.
I have one vested interest and that is the truth, and Seven, is right on this one.
Anyway Seven has sand, don't you find that admirable, even when you do disagree?
I'm going to be in your town this morning. I have a meeting at UTMB at 7:00am.
just because I have a disagreement with somebody does not mean that I hold a grudge against them. We are all Christians, and thus like that song from the 70s, " We are family."
And yes I hold to that idea, Sister.
I have one vested interest and that is the truth, and Seven, is right on this one.
Anyway Seven has sand, don't you find that admirable, even when you do disagree?
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here is what you wish were not so apparently. a repost from some time back when ridiculous claims about the same subject were made
President Trump has most definately had an impact on abortion rights. It is either prejudicial or unaware of the facts to say otherwise
Abortion Bans: 9 States Have Passed
Bills to Limit the Procedure This Year
By K.K. REBECCA LAI UPDATED May 29, 2019
Louisiana on Wednesday passed a bill to ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected, making the state the ninth this year to pass abortion restrictions that could challenge the constitutional right established in Roe v. Wade.
Earlier this month, Alabama legislators voted to ban abortions in nearly all cases. Other measures, like Louisiana’s, have limited the procedure to earlier in pregnancy, typically around six weeks.
Louisiana on Wednesday passed a bill to ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected, making the state the ninth this year to pass abortion restrictions that could challenge the constitutional right established in Roe v. Wade.
Earlier this month, Alabama legislators voted to ban abortions in nearly all cases. Other measures, like Louisiana’s, have limited the procedure to earlier in pregnancy, typically around six weeks. Here is how limits on abortion have changed across the states this year:
New abortion ban
Abortion ban before 2019
Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi and Ohio stopped short of outright bans, instead passing so-called heartbeat bills that effectively prohibit abortions after six to eight weeks of pregnancy, when doctors can usually start detecting a fetal heartbeat. Utah and Arkansas voted to limit the procedure to the middle of the second trimester.
Most other states follow the standard set by the Supreme Court’s Roe decision in 1973, which says abortion is legal until the fetus reaches viability, usually at 24 to 28 weeks.
The latest bans are not yet in effect (Kentucky’s was blocked by a judge), and all are expected to face lengthy court battles — indeed, their proponents are hoping they will reach the Supreme Court.
Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi and Ohio stopped short of outright bans, instead passing so-called heartbeat bills that effectively prohibit abortions after six to eight weeks of pregnancy, when doctors can usually start detecting a fetal heartbeat. Utah and Arkansas voted to limit the procedure to the middle of the second trimester.
Most other states follow the standard set by the Supreme Court’s Roe decision in 1973, which says abortion is legal until the fetus reaches viability, usually at 24 to 28 weeks.
The latest bans are not yet in effect (Kentucky’s was blocked by a judge), and all are expected to face lengthy court battles — indeed, their proponents are hoping they will reach the Supreme Court.
“Some sponsors evidently want to set up a test case to challenge Roe v. Wade,” said Clarke D. Forsythe, a lawyer for Americans United for Life, an anti-abortion advocacy group.
In recent years, Republican legislators successfully pushed bills to restrict abortion by targeting providers, for example through mandating waiting periods for patients or hospital admitting privileges for doctors. Many states limited the procedure to 22 weeks, but until this year, six-week bans were largely seen as too extreme; two that passed, in Iowa and North Dakota, were later struck down in court.
Abortion rights advocates say limiting the procedure to before six weeks in pregnancy is effectively a complete ban, since most people do not learn they are pregnant until later.
Two states that previously passed complete abortion bans saw those measures blocked: A 2006 bill in South Dakota was repealed in a referendum, and a 2016 Oklahoma bill was vetoed by the governor.
see source for lists of details for the above
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and here is the post from PennEd (I am sure he won't mind since) that was below mine. also, in response to your pre-coffee posts
You are smarter than this, to ask these silly questions. You are now against Trump because he actually did what he said he was going to do and unashamedly support Israel and move the US embassy there. You may be able to pick a policy here or there, but you support almost all of what he has done. From tax cuts to immigration to Supreme court nominations and on and on.
It's the ISRAEL issue that you chose to try and bash him on with a garbage article about Jews and Israel. If you were one of the many ignorant lemmings I could say, so what, but you are not. You are highly intelligent and informed. So what am I left with? I S R A E L!
With your replacement theology, and the available info, it doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out your beef with him.
Now, it is almost laughable for you to say he hasn't had a MAJOR impact on saving human babies. Read this list, and understand the FIRST act as President, while Obama's stench was still in the air, was re-enact the ban on funding for foreign abortions:
✅ Appointed Pro-Life Judges
During the 2016 campaign, then-candidate Trump promised he would nominate pro-life justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. In the final presidential debate, Trump stated, “I am pro-life, and I will be appointing pro-life judges.” President Trump has already made significant progress on this commitment to the Pro-Life Movement. In April, 2017, Judge Neil Gorsuch was successfully confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court. And in October, 2018, Judge Brett Kavanaugh was successfully confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court. To date, 144 of President Trump’s judicial nominees have been confirmed, including two Supreme Court justices, forty-three U.S. Courts of Appeals judges, and ninety-nine District Court judges.
✅ Permitted States to Defund Planned Parenthood of Title X Funds
In April 2017, Congress sent a bill to President Trump’s desk that permits states to defund Planned Parenthood of Title X family planning funds passed in Congress. President Trump signed the bill which reverses an Obama-era rule that disbarred states from doing so. Because this was passed using the Congressional Review Act, future Administrations cannot enact a similar rule to Obama’s.
✅ Stopped Tax Dollars Funding Abortion Overseas
President Trump not only reinstated the Mexico City Policy, but expanded it to the new Protecting Life in Global Health Assistance program. This new policy ensures that our tax dollars are protected from funding the abortion industry overseas across ALL global health spending, not just family planning dollars. The Bush-era Mexico City Policy protected roughly $500 million in spending – the new Trump policy protects over $8.8 billion overseas aid from funding abortion.
✅ Defunded the Pro-Abortion UNFPA
The UNFPA has long been complicit in China’s oppressive population control activities, including birth limitation policies and forced abortions. President Trump’s State Department cut U.S. Taxpayer funding to the UNFPA.
✅ Required Health Insurance Companies to Disclose if Plans Cover Abortion
The Trump Administration Department of Health & Human Services (HHS) issued a rule requiring that insurers specify in each plan Summary of Benefits whether the plan covers abortion. The administration also requested input on how to better enforce the limited abortion provisions contained in Obamacare. Until Obamacare is overturned and replaced with a system that does not subsidize abortion coverage, insurers must make abortion coverage clear to persons shopping for a plan.
✅ Settlements & New Rule Regarding HHS Mandate
The Departments of HHS, Treasury, and Labor issued two interim final rules, which means they took effect immediately, while allowing a comment period, that provide permanent, enforceable relief from the previous HHS mandate for both religious objectors, such as Little Sisters of the Poor, and moral objectors, such as Susan B. Anthony List. The new rule also exempts private employers and educational institutions that have sincerely held religious beliefs or moral objections against providing contraceptives or abortifacient drugs.
✅ Strong Pro-Life Appointments to Key Positions Including:
Vice President Mike Pence, Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
✅ New Office for Conscience Protection at HHS
In May 2019, the Trump administration finalized new regulations to strengthen enforcement of federal laws protecting the conscience rights of health care workers who do not want to participate in abortion. The regulations clarify what recourse is available to victims of discrimination under the law and what penalties the HHS Office of Civil Rights may enforce for violations. Additionally, in January 2018, the Department of Health & Human Services announced the creation of the Conscience and Religious Freedom Division within the Office for Civil Rights. This new office works to protect health care professionals who do not want to participate in abortion. In May, 2019, HHS issued a proposed rule amending Obama-era regulations, clarifying that Section 1557 shall not force a recipient of federal funding to provide or pay for an abortion. It shall also be consistent with the First Amendment and with pro-life provisions, conscience provisions and religious liberty protections in current law.
✅ Allowed States to Defund Planned Parenthood of Medicaid Funds
The Obama administration attempted to prevent states from defunding Planned Parenthood of Medicaid dollars, issuing guidance claiming this may be a violation of federal law. In January 2018, the Trump administration rescinded this guidance, allowing states to defund Planned Parenthood of Medicaid dollars as they see fit.
✅ Cut Planned Parenthood’s Tax Funding by up to $60 Million
In February, 2019, the Trump administration finalized the Protect Life Rule to redirect Title X family planning program funds away from the abortion industry. The rule advances President Trump’s promise to stop taxpayer funding of abortion businesses like Planned Parenthood, who will no longer receive Title X funding if they choose not to comply.
✅ Canceled Huge Contract for Taxpayer-Funded Experimentation with Body Parts of Aborted Babies
In June, 2019, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced they would not renew a major contract with the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) to fund research using the body parts of aborted babies. (learn more)
You are smarter than this, to ask these silly questions. You are now against Trump because he actually did what he said he was going to do and unashamedly support Israel and move the US embassy there. You may be able to pick a policy here or there, but you support almost all of what he has done. From tax cuts to immigration to Supreme court nominations and on and on.
It's the ISRAEL issue that you chose to try and bash him on with a garbage article about Jews and Israel. If you were one of the many ignorant lemmings I could say, so what, but you are not. You are highly intelligent and informed. So what am I left with? I S R A E L!
With your replacement theology, and the available info, it doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out your beef with him.
Now, it is almost laughable for you to say he hasn't had a MAJOR impact on saving human babies. Read this list, and understand the FIRST act as President, while Obama's stench was still in the air, was re-enact the ban on funding for foreign abortions:
✅ Appointed Pro-Life Judges
During the 2016 campaign, then-candidate Trump promised he would nominate pro-life justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. In the final presidential debate, Trump stated, “I am pro-life, and I will be appointing pro-life judges.” President Trump has already made significant progress on this commitment to the Pro-Life Movement. In April, 2017, Judge Neil Gorsuch was successfully confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court. And in October, 2018, Judge Brett Kavanaugh was successfully confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court. To date, 144 of President Trump’s judicial nominees have been confirmed, including two Supreme Court justices, forty-three U.S. Courts of Appeals judges, and ninety-nine District Court judges.
✅ Permitted States to Defund Planned Parenthood of Title X Funds
In April 2017, Congress sent a bill to President Trump’s desk that permits states to defund Planned Parenthood of Title X family planning funds passed in Congress. President Trump signed the bill which reverses an Obama-era rule that disbarred states from doing so. Because this was passed using the Congressional Review Act, future Administrations cannot enact a similar rule to Obama’s.
✅ Stopped Tax Dollars Funding Abortion Overseas
President Trump not only reinstated the Mexico City Policy, but expanded it to the new Protecting Life in Global Health Assistance program. This new policy ensures that our tax dollars are protected from funding the abortion industry overseas across ALL global health spending, not just family planning dollars. The Bush-era Mexico City Policy protected roughly $500 million in spending – the new Trump policy protects over $8.8 billion overseas aid from funding abortion.
✅ Defunded the Pro-Abortion UNFPA
The UNFPA has long been complicit in China’s oppressive population control activities, including birth limitation policies and forced abortions. President Trump’s State Department cut U.S. Taxpayer funding to the UNFPA.
✅ Required Health Insurance Companies to Disclose if Plans Cover Abortion
The Trump Administration Department of Health & Human Services (HHS) issued a rule requiring that insurers specify in each plan Summary of Benefits whether the plan covers abortion. The administration also requested input on how to better enforce the limited abortion provisions contained in Obamacare. Until Obamacare is overturned and replaced with a system that does not subsidize abortion coverage, insurers must make abortion coverage clear to persons shopping for a plan.
✅ Settlements & New Rule Regarding HHS Mandate
The Departments of HHS, Treasury, and Labor issued two interim final rules, which means they took effect immediately, while allowing a comment period, that provide permanent, enforceable relief from the previous HHS mandate for both religious objectors, such as Little Sisters of the Poor, and moral objectors, such as Susan B. Anthony List. The new rule also exempts private employers and educational institutions that have sincerely held religious beliefs or moral objections against providing contraceptives or abortifacient drugs.
✅ Strong Pro-Life Appointments to Key Positions Including:
Vice President Mike Pence, Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
✅ New Office for Conscience Protection at HHS
In May 2019, the Trump administration finalized new regulations to strengthen enforcement of federal laws protecting the conscience rights of health care workers who do not want to participate in abortion. The regulations clarify what recourse is available to victims of discrimination under the law and what penalties the HHS Office of Civil Rights may enforce for violations. Additionally, in January 2018, the Department of Health & Human Services announced the creation of the Conscience and Religious Freedom Division within the Office for Civil Rights. This new office works to protect health care professionals who do not want to participate in abortion. In May, 2019, HHS issued a proposed rule amending Obama-era regulations, clarifying that Section 1557 shall not force a recipient of federal funding to provide or pay for an abortion. It shall also be consistent with the First Amendment and with pro-life provisions, conscience provisions and religious liberty protections in current law.
✅ Allowed States to Defund Planned Parenthood of Medicaid Funds
The Obama administration attempted to prevent states from defunding Planned Parenthood of Medicaid dollars, issuing guidance claiming this may be a violation of federal law. In January 2018, the Trump administration rescinded this guidance, allowing states to defund Planned Parenthood of Medicaid dollars as they see fit.
✅ Cut Planned Parenthood’s Tax Funding by up to $60 Million
In February, 2019, the Trump administration finalized the Protect Life Rule to redirect Title X family planning program funds away from the abortion industry. The rule advances President Trump’s promise to stop taxpayer funding of abortion businesses like Planned Parenthood, who will no longer receive Title X funding if they choose not to comply.
✅ Canceled Huge Contract for Taxpayer-Funded Experimentation with Body Parts of Aborted Babies
In June, 2019, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced they would not renew a major contract with the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) to fund research using the body parts of aborted babies. (learn more)
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