Will God stop Hillary?

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peacenik

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What does that say about Republican Christians?


Excellent question and one answered by the CONSERVATIVE National Review:






Under the Dark Spell of Trump, Jerry Falwell Jr. Is Damaging Public Christian Witness


With his partisan, reckless comments, the Evangelical celebrity dishonors his Christian faith. Why do some Evangelical Christians act in ways that reinforce some of the worst stereotypes propagated by their critics? Take Jerry Falwell Jr., president of Liberty University, which claims to be the largest Christian University in the world. Falwell, together with the Reverend Robert Jeffress, a pastor and televangelist, has been among Donald Trump’s most enthusiastic Evangelical cheerleaders. How enthusiastic? In his recent opinion piece in the Washington Post, Falwell called Trump a “leader with qualities that resemble those of Winston Churchill” — demonstrating a staggering historical ignorance about Churchill and a stunning blindness about Trump. Winston Churchill was arguably the greatest orator of the 20th century; in the 21st, Trump is among the most banal. Churchill possessed extraordinary knowledge of history and policy; Trump is the most ignorant major-party candidate in U.S. history. Churchill was extraordinarily prepared to become prime minister; Trump would be the least qualified American president ever. Falwell’s analysis is sloppy and shoddy. For example, he complains about the $19 trillion national debt while failing to note that, under a President Trump, it would explode. Trump has gone out of his way to criticize those who want to reform entitlement programs, which is the great driver of our debt. He’s promised to double (to $500 billion) the amount Hillary Clinton will spend on infrastructure. And his tax proposal would drain trillions from the Treasury. There is nothing in Mr. Trump’s agenda to suggest that he has any interest in “less government.” The president of Liberty University also said Trump will “take the battle to that enemy [ISIS].” But as recently as last fall, when the Islamic State controlled larger areas in Syria and Iraq than it does today, Trump was saying that ISIS was not ours to take on and that we should “let Russia fight it.” That is hardly taking the battle to the enemy. Trump now says he would declare war on ISIS but wage it with “very few troops.” We’d win the war with “unbelievable intelligence.” As usual with Trump, one should put the emphasis on “unbelievable.” Falwell blames the “feckless Republican establishment” for, among other things, allowing President Obama to draw and then quickly erase a red line in Syria, even though Congress has no role in that decision and had no means to prevent the president from doing what he did. Trump clearly has a disordered personality — unstable, obsessive, vindictive, narcissistic, cruel, and apparently lacking empathy. Rather than acknowledge it, Falwell demands that Republicans “stop whining about Trump’s temperament,” as if the problem were not Trump’s temperament but the concerns raised about it. Falwell praises Trump for his “kindness” and “generosity.” What a curious way to refer to a man who has mocked a former prisoner of war, the grieving mother of a war hero, and a reporter with a physical disability. Trump likened Ben Carson’s “pathology” to that of a child molester, ridiculed Carly Fiorina’s looks, made menstruation jokes about Megyn Kelly, called her a “bimbo,” and called women in general “fat pigs,” “dogs,” “slobs,” and “disgusting animals.” He humiliated his first wife by engaging in a very public affair. As for his purported generosity, we know he lies about his charitable giving. But even that’s not the worst of it. According to Falwell, “We have lived through nearly eight years of weak leadership from a president who did not sign the charter to create the Islamic State but whose policies had the intended or unintended effect (we will be debating that for decades) of breathing life into the lungs of the terrorist group” (emphasis added). Falwell has fallen under the dark spell of Donald Trump, and it is having a corrosive effect on his intellectual and moral judgment. It is one thing to argue, as I and many others have, that the president’s policies were wrong and contributed to the rise of ISIS; it’s something else again to say that he acted with malice aforethought. To suggest that President Obama’s intent may have been to breathe “life into the lungs of a terrorist group” is to accuse him of treachery. That is calumny. Falwell has fallen under the dark spell of Donald Trump. That is not a crime, but it is having a corrosive effect on his intellectual and moral judgment. He is saying witless and defamatory things. For those of us of the Christian faith, the fact that Falwell is viewed by many as an Evangelical leader makes it that much worse. We have been pained by the harm that a previous generation did to Christian public witness because of partisan, reckless, and graceless comments. Now we have this. When a leader of a major Christian institution speaks out on public affairs as Falwell has, he is speaking not just for himself. He is making a broader statement about faith and politics – and, in this case, is shaping how people view Christians and Christianity. One might hope that when people who are so publicly identified as Christians enter the public square, they would bring to it certain distinctives, including a commitment to justice, to treating people, including and especially the weak and vulnerable, with dignity and respect, speaking truth to the powerful instead of acting as courtiers to them, neither slandering opponents nor placing trust in princes, and not allowing the Christian faith to be used as a blunt, political weapon. In A Severe Mercy, Sheldon Vanauken recounted his days in the anti-war movement during the Vietnam era. “I was one of those caught up in the mood and action of the 1960s,” he wrote. Christ, I thought, would surely have me oppose what appeared an unjust war. But the Movement, whatever its ideals, did a good deal of hating. And Christ, gradually, was pushed to the rear: Movement goals, not God, became first, in fact — not only for me but for other Christians involved, including priests. I now think that making God secondary (which in the end is to make Him nothing) is, quite simply, the mortal danger in social action, especially in view of the marked intimations of virtue — even arrogant virtue — that often perilously accompany it. In his private life, Falwell may be a devout man, but in his role as Donald Trump’s flatterer, defender, and attack dog, he has pushed Christ to the rear. His politics are damaging his public Christian witness. They are injurious to the faith to which he has proclaimed his allegiance. Those who care for Jerry Falwell Jr. and for the institution he represents should intercede on his behalf. His embarrassing and unfortunate act needs to end.

Jerry Falwell Jr.: Donald Trump’s Flatterer, Pushing Christ to the Rear | National Review






The usual pattern is for the forum extremist Republicans to engage in more virulent forms of hate and personal attacks whenever I post from a CONSERVATIVE website. When I post such words on my own, they say I should be banned. When CONSERVATIVES say it, they attack me but do not even attempt to address the issues because they live in fear of the TRUTH. So let's see what they have to say about this.





 

tanakh

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If God didnt stop Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot and a host of others from coming to power what makes you think he will stop Hilary Clinton?
The only person who will do that is Donald Trump. I think you are all out of your minds for supporting these two anyway.
 
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If God didnt stop Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot and a host of others from coming to power what makes you think he will stop Hilary Clinton?
The only person who will do that is Donald Trump. I think you are all out of your minds for supporting these two anyway.
Looks like it takes a person from outside the US to smell the coffee:)
 
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I also don't get how you can vote for either one of them but then... we have our own dirty laundry in South Africa :eek:

Our president is not the sharpest tool in the shed
 

jsr1221

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Exactly right brother. I'm not really a big advocate for excessive legislation, but I do think something ought to be done about this. "Journalism" isn't even journalism anymore. :(
I had actually grew up wanting to be a sports writer and ended up changing my major in college. I've kinda seen firsthand what the media is all about, and this is while studying at a Christian university. What the media does is part of the reason why I said no thanks. Like you said, journalism isn't journalism anymore.
 
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Mitspa

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If God didnt stop Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot and a host of others from coming to power what makes you think he will stop Hilary Clinton?
The only person who will do that is Donald Trump. I think you are all out of your minds for supporting these two anyway.
God did stop them and defended the righteous American people who had faith in Him...which he has done since the Protestant Reformation and for every group or nation that has embraced the gospel.
 
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Mitspa

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I'm convinced that God will never allow Hillary Clinton to rule this nation.... Now Obama is bad but I believe he has a core honesty beyond all the BS ...Hillary is in fact a completely corrupt person and very well may be a mass killer?
 

peacenik

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Will God stop Hillary?

Good question. We have had several Republican candidates say that God told them to run for the White House. none are to be seen today. That might be quite telling.
 

peacenik

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Some on this forum refer to Jews as the Chosen. If so, they have chosen Hillary in Florida:


Clinton Leads Trump by Massive 43 Points Among Florida Jews




Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton is leading Republican nominee Donald Trump by 43 points among Jewish voters in Florida, a new poll released on Friday showed.
According to the poll, conducted by Jim Gerstein from GBA Strategies, Clinton is supported by 66 percent of Jewish voters, while Trump is supported by 23 percent.
Trump’s image among Jewish voters is underwater by 50 percent. Only 21 percent view the father of Ivanka Trump and former Grand Marshal at the Israel Day Parade favorably. A whopping 71 percent have an unfavorable view of him.
Clinton is viewed favorably by 57 percent of Jewish voters and unfavorably by 33 percent.




The only group Trump is doing well is among Orthodox Jewish voters (6 percent of the Florida Jewish electorate). According to the poll, Trump leads Clinton 66-22 percent among Orthodox Jews. Among all non-Orthodox voters, Clinton leads Trump 77-22.
Jewish voters represent 3 to 6 percent of the electorate in Florida, in a state that is expected to be one of the toss-up battleground states that could determine the presidential race.
Clinton is ahead by 3.3 percentage points in Florida, according to the RealClearPolitics average.
“I think that in a situation where the race is almost certain to be as close as it will be, that, obviously, every community’s vote is going to be crucial and the Jewish community’s vote is something which could be expected to play a factor in this race, for sure,” Andrew Weinstein, an attorney and prominent Democratic donor from Coral Springs, told Jewish Insider.
The Republican Jewish Coalition highlighted the fact that Clinton is currently underperforming, polling lower than Obama’s actual portion of the vote in 2012. “This recently released poll of Jewish voters in Florida confirms again that Jews continue to flee the Democrat Party in greater and greater numbers,” Matt Brooks, RJC’s Executive Director told Jewish Insider is a statement. “Due to President Obama and Hillary Clinton’s policies, voters have seen the world fall into chaos as well as the erosion of our close alliance with Israel. Four years after President Obama received the lowest amount of support from Jewish voters in decades, Democrats should be panicked to see Hillary Clinton falling even further behind.”
In 2012, President Obama got 68% of the Jewish vote in the Sunshine State, while Republican nominee Mitt Romney got 31 percent, according to exit polls.
A J Street exit poll also showed that 54 percent never considered voting for Romney, while only 27 percent always considered voting against Obama. Numbers from an internal poll conducted by Democratic pollster Mark Mellman in October put Obama’s support at 61 percent, to Romney’s 33 percent.
In an interview with Jewish Insider last year, NJDC’s chairman Greg Rosenbaum boasted that Florida ended up in the Obama column in 2012 due to a concentrated effort to mobilize Jewish voters in the Sunshine State in the last weeks leading to Election Day. An exit poll conducted by Melman showed an increase of support from 59 to 71 percent – a twelve point shift in seven weeks, which was about 144,000 additional votes. The President’s margin of victory in Florida was less than 1 percent – 70,000 votes.





read more: Clinton Leads Trump by Massive 43 Points Among Florida Jews - U.S. Election 2016 - Haaretz - Israel News Haaretz.com
 

peacenik

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Hillary picks up important endorsement from American heroes:


 
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Mitspa

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Hillarys poll numbers are dropping off the map as her crimes and scandals become more and more apparent .... Hillary is history and the Dems should replace her, if they are smart ... But of course they are not ...haha
 
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Mitspa

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May God judge you as you have judge this man...Amen
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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Please Lord, make November hurry up and get here so these people can stop fighting like children over stupid crap.
 
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Mitspa

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Please Lord, make November hurry up and get here so these people can stop fighting like children over stupid crap.
The post are hours apart...wouldn't really call that a "fight" ..and you have to post something in response to that frog or he gets carried away ....
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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The post are hours apart...wouldn't really call that a "fight" ..and you have to post something in response to that frog or he gets carried away ....
I don't have to do anything. "That frog" as you refer to another human being, is no worse than you are about jumping on a soap box.

The endless chatter over politics is so boring. Nobody here can or will or will do anything, but yet you folks complain and complain. Once the election is over, we all get at least 4 years of more griping and complaining and fruitless debating. Maybe I'm too much a moron to understand. Yeah, that's probably it. I don't argue politics because I "don't understand". Let's go with that.
 
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Mitspa

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I don't have to do anything. "That frog" as you refer to another human being, is no worse than you are about jumping on a soap box.

The endless chatter over politics is so boring. Nobody here can or will or will do anything, but yet you folks complain and complain. Once the election is over, we all get at least 4 years of more griping and complaining and fruitless debating. Maybe I'm too much a moron to understand. Yeah, that's probably it. I don't argue politics because I "don't understand". Let's go with that.
I see you chime in all the time on these political threads and always with some rude remarks towards others ...if you don't like the thread ? don't read it! Or are you too simple minded to figure that out?
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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I see you chime in all the time on these political threads and always with some rude remarks towards others ...if you don't like the thread ? don't read it! Or are you too simple minded to figure that out?
Oh, so it's just a "don't like it, leave us alone". I see. Isn't that convenient for you?

Any other words of wisdom from you? I don't know if I can sleep tonight without your wisdom, oh wise sage. LOL
 
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Mitspa

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Oh, so it's just a "don't like it, leave us alone". I see. Isn't that convenient for you?

Any other words of wisdom from you? I don't know if I can sleep tonight without your wisdom, oh wise sage. LOL
Look this is not very hard...if you don't like the political debate on the political threads? DONT READ THEM! whats so hard to understand about that?