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I can see what you are saying here, someone whos not with Christ being led away into a false path from feeling good from a practice that false path preaches.
But, from what little I know, I dont /think/ yoga instructors actually press people to take up some religion, or even talk about anything like it, dont they just do stretching?
Yoga instructors are predominantly dead in Christ . They know not what they do! Noone is saying they press people. They do influence people to do the "yoga thing" . Like I said before; it is the spirit behind yoga and it is the spirit they conjure with their demonic meditations. Spiritual things have not changed their stripes much but peoples perception has become lax.

Do some serious studies on spiritual warfare and the roots of yoga. Just because people want to say that they are not "doing it that way" does not mean they arent. Why would someone put themselves in a den of the enemy is what I ask?

A mature armored christian doesnt walk in the den of satan. So I do think all I would find is weak enemic christians in a yoga studio. Mature christians have usually studied spiritual warfare . Unless a christian is in the studio to spread the good news of the gospel;he/she needs not be there at all.
 
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It's not about what anyone thinks, it's about what it is. The word yoga means to yoke! So to what are they trying to yoke you to with this pagan practice? It's not much to wonder it, it is to yoke you to the abominations of India. There is no such thing as Christian yoga. Christianity and yoga are opposed to each other. Yoga, and many New Age practices are like the way of Balaam, by guile making the children of Israel to unwittingly yoke themselves to the baal of Peor.

Be far from it and may Jesus break the yoke of the hindu from you and your loved ones.
Ask your three questions of 'the internet' -- and then explain to me why you still use it, please.
 

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Yoga instructors are predominantly dead in Christ . They know not what they do! Noone is saying they press people. They do influence people to do the "yoga thing" . Like I said before; it is the spirit behind yoga and it is the spirit they conjure with their demonic meditations. Spiritual things have not changed their stripes much but peoples perception has become lax.

Do some serious studies on spiritual warfare and the roots of yoga. Just because people want to say that they are not "doing it that way" does not mean they arent. Why would someone put themselves in a den of the enemy is what I ask?

A mature armored christian doesnt walk in the den of satan. So I do think all I would find is weak enemic christians in a yoga studio. Mature christians have usually studied spiritual warfare . Unless a christian is in the studio to spread the good news of the gospel;he/she needs not be there at all.

But, if its only the stretching alone, just keeping the name yoga, but is nothing more than a series of stretching, is it still demonic?

You can flip the question around another way, if a group calls themselves Christians, but they practice communicating with the dead as a practice, even with the name "Christian", are they still of Christ?

A name is only a name, you can call stretching anything you like, but its still only stretching.
 
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I appreciate all that. I do have to disagree, though. I don't do yoga, but it is basically stretching and getting to a quiet state. Well, when we read the Bible, we're supposed to be in a quiet state. So, how does the Bible oppose to emptying your mind, when we're suppose to let the Holy Spirit get rid of all the junk filling our minds so we can better understand His Word? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Your analogy needs some adjustment. Yoga is emptying the mind and what is coming back in? It is the SPIRIT attached to it that is quite dangerous. OR it is a demon wantabe who will masquerade as a false christ.

When we read the Bible the Holy Spirit is TEACHING us. He injects his word into our hearts. Over time the WORD REPLACES THE JUNK. We dont empty anything. God is the house cleaner. We are only willing vessels THROUGH faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17.

A mature christian doesnt mess around with this stuff so I do not care what a person tells me;I already know. Apples are apples arent they?
 
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Yoga is emptying the mind and what is coming back in?
What would come back in if you were meditating on...

Psalm 150:4(KJV)

4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

...while doing some yoga stretches?
 
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I believe that the Christians that use "yoga" as a form of exercise do not use it in the way that Hindus use yoga as a spiritual practice. Like I stated before I think the term "yoga" is pretty much a synonym for stretching and breathing exercises to most people (In the US anyway) the first known Yoga had it's origins in India and Hinduism, and those people still practice that today, Yet those that have used it as a form of exercise (like myself and other christians) usually have no idea that it has ties to Hinduism-because the type of "yoga" that we do is really just exercise. The label "yoga" is simply used by some of us because that is the common name for this type of stretching and breathing exercise, like was mentioned before the example of Kleenex-that is a brand name but a lot of people say that instead of tissue--that happens with a lot of things--they find a common name or nickname, you might even say.
For example: How many of us use an "Avatar" on this chat room? Does anyone know where that term came from? What was an "Avatar" originally used for?
Here is the answer (source--http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/avatar)Avatar
nounav·a·tar\ˈa-və-ˌtär\

Hinduism : the human or animal form of a Hindu god on earth
: someone who represents a type of person, an idea, or a quality
computers : a small picture that represents a computer user in a game, on the Internet, etc.

The word "Avatar" orginated in India in hinduism, yet it takes on several different meanings in our day. And is a widely accepted term, and is used by many--even on this website. Are we worshiping falsely by having an avatar on our profile? NO-the real meaning and usage beind this word has pretty much changed, especially with those from a culture different than that of India.There are several other things that orginated there like shampoo, the measurement ruler, etc. All I am trying to say is those of us that are saying we use "yoga" as exercise really do ONLY use it as a way to exercise--we are getting too tied up in the name--we really are just exercising no chants no mantras, I don't even know the names of all the stretches-I just remember them-I took a class (taught by a christian woman) to learn the stretches, but now I just do them at home to exercise. The term "yoga" has been coined for this type of exercise by most westerners, however, it is not the same as the spiritual practice that originated in hinduism--just as we are not manifesting a hindu god in human form by using an "avatar" on a forum.
 
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Exactly what? Show me a person who meditates on scripture at yoga and we'll talk. Oh yeah! Thats right!! You cant can ya?
..just one?
oh thank goodness, yoga has been a blessing to my back!!! And I do "meditate" I pray and praise during this quiet time....I had no idea it was a religion
 

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I personally have never actually known someone to be "cured" of these types of feeling like it is a disease. Many have tried to prove it is DNA related but nothing concrete ever came of it. In the end, the only cure for sin is through Jesus Christ. From what I have seen, most Christians just make a decision to not act on those feeling and to put Christ first. They cope with these feelings similar to flesh feelings that single people face everyday -- they take flesh thoughts captive and do their best to contain lustful feelings. If they are non-christian, some choose to get married to the opposite sex and put family first. I have met a few of these guys.

Mediation should only be on the word of God -- anything else is not christian. I personally don't see a big issue with doing it as just exercise and stretching though. I have never done yoga, but if I did I would try it and see if the holy spirit convicts me. If it does -- it has to go that simple.
 
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Meditation is not the same thing as praying. Praying is praying. Praise is praise. You are not remaining quiet and opening up to a spirit to speak to you whether it be Gods spirit or another spirit
I agree! :)
 
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Your analogy needs some adjustment. Yoga is emptying the mind and what is coming back in? It is the SPIRIT attached to it that is quite dangerous. OR it is a demon wantabe who will masquerade as a false christ.
Actually, yoga is not "emptying the mind." There is no part of yoga that involves "emptying the mind." Pantanjali doesn't teach people to "empty the mind" in the Yoga Sutras. The Yoga Pradipika doesn't talk about "emptying the mind." Yoga is also sometimes called the "eight-fold path" because it involves eight major areas (sometimes called "limbs") of practice.

1. yama (this is universal morality--compassion, truthfulness, non-stealing, abstinence, non-hoarding)
2. niyama (these are observances--purity, contentment, self-control, self-study, and contemplation of the divine)
3. asana (body postures)
4. pranayama (breath control)
5. pratyahara (sense control--limiting or withdrawing the senses)
6. dharana (concentration and inner awareness)
7. dhyana (meditation)
8. samadhi (union with the divine)

None of these practices (even meditation) involve "emptying the mind."

In the U.S. the vast majority of yoga practitioners do so in the gym. These classes involve ASANA (physical postures) almost exclusively. Occasionally you might find a gym-yoga teacher who does a bit of breathwork (pranayama) with the class. Even in yoga studios there is often little emphasis on anything other than the physical postures. There are some studios that may offer separate classes in meditation. Studios do tend to involve a greater variety of breathwork (belly-breathing, ocean breath, breath of fire, alternate nostril breathing, etc.). Jivamukti is the only kind of yoga I know of that requires its teachers to include meditation and chanting as a part of every class. There are certain KINDS of yoga (I'm thinking of kundalini) that de-emphasize postures in favor of the more "woo-woo" aspects of yoga practice. HOWEVER, I have NEVER heard of a gym where kundalini yoga is taught. In fact, a person has to search to find kundalini yoga. It's not your typical practice.

Thus, I don't get why people get all bent out of shape (so to speak) regarding this stuff. Right now, there's lots of social media about THE PLANK CHALLENGE. When I worked with a personal trainer who knew nothing about yoga, he regularly made me do the plank. He never realized until I mentioned it to him THAT IT'S A YOGA POSTURE. I guess if someone does the plank to strengthen their abs, that's okay...but once you call it "yoga" it suddenly becomes the devil's ab-work.

There are lots of exercise classes that use unidentified yoga postures to "warm up" the class at the beginning or to "cool down" the class at the end. In fact, if you're a regular participant of group exercise, you've probably done some yoga postures unawares. Probably that cold you got, or your last flat tire, or your bad review at work were punishment for you practicing the devil-poses.

Or maybe not.

Maybe the postures are widely used because they work. Maybe it's possible to engage in these practices divorced from their origins....you know, like having a tree with lights on it in your house that you DON'T bow down and worship...or using the days of the week that all reference pagan gods. These things that were once clear references to pagan worship have been SUBSUMED by society (and the church). When I say "Wednesday" I'm not somehow compulsively drawn to worship Woden. Most Americans probably don't even KNOW the origins of Wednesday....

Just like most American yoga practitioners don't know the origins of yoga. Origially, yoga involved a guru/disciple relationship and it was men only. They aren't taught these origins and they don't even practice the eight-fold path. They show up at a class, and move around on a mat, while listening to the soothing voice of their (largely female) yoga teacher. Trust me...Pantanjali wouldn't recognize the practice if he showed up in a gym to do it.
 
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Exactly what? Show me a person who meditates on scripture at yoga and we'll talk. Oh yeah! Thats right!! You cant can ya?
*Raising my hand.*

I've been a yoga practitioner since 2001, and became certified to teach yoga in 2004.

I've done plenty of meditation on aspects of God's character, a particular scripture, or a particular prayer.

My "go to" meditative prayer is the "Jesus Prayer" used within the Orthodox Church:

Lord Jesus, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

I've also used the expression "Maranatha," the first line of St. Francis's famous prayer "Lord make me an instrument of thy peace," and the expression, "Let go and let God."

My yoga practice, like EVERY practice of my life is 100% defined by my Christian faith.

I get that some people might not need to practice yoga. People who are given over to the "woo-woo," and/or who have a background with New Age stuff probably should avoid it. New Christians who don't have a well-established relationship with God should probably avoid it. But for someone who is clear about their faith and values...have at it.

Remember, some can eat meat from idols, and some cannot. And we should all defer to any weakness in a brother or sister and avoid doing something in their presence that may cause them to stumble.
 
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Actually, yoga is not "emptying the mind." There is no part of yoga that involves "emptying the mind." Pantanjali doesn't teach people to "empty the mind" in the Yoga Sutras. The Yoga Pradipika doesn't talk about "emptying the mind." Yoga is also sometimes called the "eight-fold path" because it involves eight major areas (sometimes called "limbs") of practice.

1. yama (this is universal morality--compassion, truthfulness, non-stealing, abstinence, non-hoarding)
2. niyama (these are observances--purity, contentment, self-control, self-study, and contemplation of the divine)
3. asana (body postures)
4. pranayama (breath control)
5. pratyahara (sense control--limiting or withdrawing the senses)
6. dharana (concentration and inner awareness)
7. dhyana (meditation)
8. samadhi (union with the divine)

None of these practices (even meditation) involve "emptying the mind."

In the U.S. the vast majority of yoga practitioners do so in the gym. These classes involve ASANA (physical postures) almost exclusively. Occasionally you might find a gym-yoga teacher who does a bit of breathwork (pranayama) with the class. Even in yoga studios there is often little emphasis on anything other than the physical postures. There are some studios that may offer separate classes in meditation. Studios do tend to involve a greater variety of breathwork (belly-breathing, ocean breath, breath of fire, alternate nostril breathing, etc.). Jivamukti is the only kind of yoga I know of that requires its teachers to include meditation and chanting as a part of every class. There are certain KINDS of yoga (I'm thinking of kundalini) that de-emphasize postures in favor of the more "woo-woo" aspects of yoga practice. HOWEVER, I have NEVER heard of a gym where kundalini yoga is taught. In fact, a person has to search to find kundalini yoga. It's not your typical practice.

Thus, I don't get why people get all bent out of shape (so to speak) regarding this stuff. Right now, there's lots of social media about THE PLANK CHALLENGE. When I worked with a personal trainer who knew nothing about yoga, he regularly made me do the plank. He never realized until I mentioned it to him THAT IT'S A YOGA POSTURE. I guess if someone does the plank to strengthen their abs, that's okay...but once you call it "yoga" it suddenly becomes the devil's ab-work.

There are lots of exercise classes that use unidentified yoga postures to "warm up" the class at the beginning or to "cool down" the class at the end. In fact, if you're a regular participant of group exercise, you've probably done some yoga postures unawares. Probably that cold you got, or your last flat tire, or your bad review at work were punishment for you practicing the devil-poses.

Or maybe not.

Maybe the postures are widely used because they work. Maybe it's possible to engage in these practices divorced from their origins....you know, like having a tree with lights on it in your house that you DON'T bow down and worship...or using the days of the week that all reference pagan gods. These things that were once clear references to pagan worship have been SUBSUMED by society (and the church). When I say "Wednesday" I'm not somehow compulsively drawn to worship Woden. Most Americans probably don't even KNOW the origins of Wednesday....

Just like most American yoga practitioners don't know the origins of yoga. Origially, yoga involved a guru/disciple relationship and it was men only. They aren't taught these origins and they don't even practice the eight-fold path. They show up at a class, and move around on a mat, while listening to the soothing voice of their (largely female) yoga teacher. Trust me...Pantanjali wouldn't recognize the practice if he showed up in a gym to do it.

5-8 is clearly emptying of mind as it normally would be.
And thats not even my main argument against it!

You can write a whole entire page poetmary! LOL
It will not change my views on yoga.
A christian should not have anything to do with it.

I took this from a yoga site on meditation:
Mindfulness OR Concentration
It is very common for teachers of meditation to describe one of two general types of meditation, and to recommend one as being superior to the other:

  • Concentration: In this approach, one intentionally focuses the attention on only one object, such as breath, mantra, a chakra center, or an internally visualized image.
  • Mindfulness: In this approach, one does not focus the mind on one object, but rather observes the whole range of passing thoughts, emotions, sensations, or images.

    Just knowing the roots of this > yoga and meditation: one should be wise to stay away from it.


    It would be different if a bunch of people got together and did stretches that DIFFER from the practice of yoga and praise and worship was done at the same time. The focus would be Christ .
    We just have to be aware of the spiritual realm. Not all you see in the natural is what is actually going on and influencing you.
    That is why we are to put on the full armor....................we wrestle not against flesh and blood............

 
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It would be different if a bunch of people got together and did stretches that DIFFER from the practice of yoga
The human body is the same today as it was in ancient India.

I'm officially finished with this conversation.

Peace.
 
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5-8 is clearly emptying of mind as it normally would be.
And thats not even my main argument against it!


I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm simply presenting accurate information instead of propaganda.

I'm not sure of the origin of the whole "empty the mind" idea that people have regarding these practices. But it's a knee-jerk and inaccurate response. Perhaps it comes from the kind of syncretistic practice of some of these things during the 60s and 70s. Maybe it's a Transcendental Meditation thing (I'm not super-familiar with TM); however, it doesn't apply to yoga nor any of the kinds of meditation with which I'm familiar.

Pratyahara is not about "emptying the mind." For example, something that is very popular right not is "turning off the technology"--that is, taking one day a week, or a period of time to fast from technological devices. THIS would be an example of the practice of pratyahara. You are "withdrawing your senses." Some people will use a sensory deprivation chamber to relax in (this was popular in the 90s)...also pratyahara. Deliberately turning off all the noise in your home to appreciate silence...pratyahara. "Tuning out" ambient noise to concentrate on your project for work is pratyahara. NONE of this involves "emptying the mind."

Additionally, samadhi doesn't involve "emptying the mind." Here's a quote about samadhi: In the state of samadhi the body and senses are at rest, as if asleep, yet the faculty of mind and reason are alert, as if awake; one goes beyond consciousness.

If anything, samadhi involves a quieting of the BODY and the SENSES, not the mind. Now, clearly, the idea of samadhi is a concept based on a religious understanding of the human/divine relationship that is not Christian. Christians are part of Christ's Body when become His. However, even within the definition of this pagan idea, there is no concept of "emptying the mind."

Both your examples of Mindfulness and Concentration are also the OPPOSITE of emptying the mind. When you concentrate, you engage in a particular kind of focus. Concentration is good and necessary. You need to concentrate to be a good student in school. You need to concentrate to be a good lover to your spouse. You need to concentrate to be an attentive parent to your children.

And you need to concentrate when you pray to God.

Mindfulness involves becoming the observer of your own thinking. In other words, it's metacognition. A person needs to engage in metacognition to have any kind of self-control. "Wow, my mind is telling me to eat another cookie, but I observe that I'm not hungry. I will avoid that cookie." "Wow, I just got the impulse to punch my sister. Punching my sister would hurt her and get my into trouble. I need to not do it." Additionally, metacognition is necessary to engage in psychological change (renewing of the mind), to beat addiction, to understand how we learn best, and to engage in any kind of significant self-examination.

The fact that meditation helps people to concentrate AND to be mindful seem like good arguments FOR meditation, in my view of it.

Additionally, there is a long-standing history of meditative prayer within the Christian church.

Finally, I'm not advocating that anyone do anything....except speak ACCURATELY about these practices. I don't think we need to invent false stories about various practices in order to avoid them. If you cannot in good conscience practice yoga....then you ought not practice it.

I, however, can in good conscience practice yoga. So...I'm going to do so.
 

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Your analogy needs some adjustment. Yoga is emptying the mind and what is coming back in? It is the SPIRIT attached to it that is quite dangerous. OR it is a demon wantabe who will masquerade as a false christ.

When we read the Bible the Holy Spirit is TEACHING us. He injects his word into our hearts. Over time the WORD REPLACES THE JUNK. We dont empty anything. God is the house cleaner. We are only willing vessels THROUGH faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17.

A mature christian doesnt mess around with this stuff so I do not care what a person tells me;I already know. Apples are apples arent they?
You can focus on Christ when you stretch. When getting to that quiet state, you can Meditate on His Word. That is what I'm saying. I don't do yoga, myself. As I do different things to exercise.
 
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I've read this whole thread, "listening" to both sides of the argument, & I must say, I've learned a few things.

1. Most people (not all) in this thread know more about Hinduism & yoga than they do their Bible.

2. Most (not all) think the issue is about what they do instead of what others think & would be offended with what they do.

3. Most (not all) talk like they are christians, but not like they're ambassadors for Christ..... which true christians are one & the same.

4. Some (not all) don't seem to care what other christians think, let alone the sinner.

Somebody mentioned the text where Paul mentioned meat offered to idols is nothing..... I wished they read all of it.

1 Corinthians 8:4-13 (KJV) [SUP]4 [/SUP]As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) [SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. [SUP]9[/SUP]But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; [SUP]11 [/SUP]And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? [SUP]12 [/SUP]But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Romans 14:16-23 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP]Let not then your good be evil spoken of: [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

There's no need to judge one another here..... but to judge ourselves by the Word which is plain.
Because of that, I will keep my comments to myself.
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