Where's the Line Between Being Available, Desperate, and a Stalker?

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seoulsearch

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Hey Everyone,

At first glance, this post is going to seem unusually long, but please bear with me. I wanted to include a video clip but because of a bad word, I'm going to type out the dialogue instead.

Singles who hope to find someone are always told to "put themselves out there" and let others know they're available--especially when those other people might be potential dates. But as some of the recent posts have mentioned, it seems like it's all too easy to cross the line, and instead of communicating that we are "available", people might mistake us as being more like Chip from the movie, "The Cable Guy."

"The Cable Guy" is about an everyday guy named Steven (played by Matthew Broderick) whose cable guy, Chip (Jim Carrey), desperately tries to claim him as a best friend.

In one scene, Steven comes home at the end of the day to about 12 messages (all from Chip) that go something like this:

(This movie is from 1996, so it has some older references.)

* "Hey Steven, it's Chip. I'm home... Gimme a call."

* "Hi Steven, I'm at a pay phone, if you're there, pick up pick up pick up... Ok, well, I'll be home later."

* "Hey, it's Chip, I'm home now... Give me a buzz, ok? Talk to you later!"

* "Hey Steven, I was in the bathroom, thought you might've called... Later!"

* "You and I are having quite a little game of phone tag here!! You're it... Call me!"

* "Hi Steven, I was just blow drying my hair... Thought I heard the phone ring... Gimme a call!"

* "Hey Steven, are you sure your answering machine is working? You still haven't called me back yet..."

At first glance, the average person would probably want to file a restraining order against Chip. But later in the movie, you start to feel sorry for him because it's explained that Chip was a lonely only child with an active imagination who was always by himself. He apparently had no father present and his mother was always going out. In a flashback scene with Chip as a young boy, his mother prepared to go out for a night of partying by plopping Chip in front of the TV with a bowl of snacks.

Chip pleads with his mom, "When are you going to get me a brother? You promised you'd get me a brother..."

And his mother says, "Well honey, that's why I'm going to the bar."

Many people in this world are desperately lonely and would do anything to find someone to spend time with, whether a friend or a spouse. But how can single, available people present themselves as "looking" without coming across as creepy or even dangerous?

Here are some questions to help clarify the discussion:

* How would one present themselves as available in the "right way"?
* What makes a person sound "desperate" or "creepy"?
* Why is desperation such a turn-off?
* What's the difference between "letting people know I'm available" vs. "I am desperate and might possibly stalk you"?

In my own life, I've learned to draw the line when a person I'm just getting to know starts to demand, rather than request, my time, or becomes angry when I can't answer them right away or spend as much time with them as they might like. When they start acting as if I owe them parts of my life and I don't even know them very well, I know it's time to make an exit.

What limits do you have?
 
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crosstweed

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In my own life, I've learned to draw the line when a person I'm just getting to know starts to demand, rather than request, my time, or becomes angry when I can't answer them right away or spend as much time with them as they might like. When they start acting as if I owe them parts of my life and I don't even know them very well, I know it's time to make an exit.
I learned the hard way on this one. I really did. Although this wasn't someone I'd just met, and there was no romantic interest on my end.

A few years ago I had a guy friend who was going through a rough time emotionally and so I started doing my best to be there for him and help him through it. I understood little at that time about protecting people's emotional boundaries, or making them respect my own personal time/boundaries - I just wanted to help, and it felt nice that someone was seeking my counsel and needed me. Long story short, his brokenness coupled with my naiveté resulted in him becoming severely co-dependent on me, trying to make me fill two God- and mother-shaped holes in his life that were totally impossible for me to fill. I realized waaaaay too late what was happening. And by way too late, I mean getting sobbing, incoherent phone calls from him at barely reasonable times of the day and night, asking for my prayers and "just wanting to talk" to me... for hours.

I'll spare you the blood-and-guts ending.

Lesson learned.
 
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ntw1103

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* How would one present themselves as available in the "right way"?

Good idea: Join in on threads in the singles forum on a christian website.
bad idea: Post a thread asking who is interested in dating you, or introducing yourself as if it were an ad.
* What makes a person sound "desperate" or "creepy"?

Desperate: Something that has always bothered me, is when people mention they are single over and over again, or directly ask if anyone is interested in a relationship. That is a clear sign of desperation.

Creepy: constantly trying to acquire additional information, and then using it inappropriately. I think that these days, it is considered normal to facebook 'stalk' someone (stalking is such a strong word, I prefer intense research of an individual.) and I don't consider it stalking or creepy, I expect it. Actually I think it could even by wise to gather information about someone you are interested in, to an extent. Certainly there are things you shouldn't cross.. What that is? well, what is on facebook, is what a user posted publicly. That being said, I'm a computer scientist, and I have ways of getting additional information about people, legally, and illegally(which I wouldn't do as my morals prevent me from doing that), but I feel that doing so is a bit creepy, so I avoid doing that.
* Why is desperation such a turn-off?

If they are 'willing to settle' for X, what else have they settled for? For me, it seems to present lack of character, if that makes sense? I guess it depends on how much desperation there is, and if they are willing to compromise themselves because of that.
* What's the difference between "letting people know I'm available" vs. "I am desperate and might possibly stalk you"?

I'm not sure exactly, but I would avoid white panel vans...
 
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Folks I'm available in Singles Chatroom, very desperate for ya'lls company, so come and stalk me now.
 
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Lady Kim I seen you like this just now. I'm calling you out. Come to my Single Chatroom Party. CC After Dark!
 
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crosstweed

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To answer the original question...

Being available means that you're ready to start a relationship and drop that hint in a tactful and not creepy way around a potential interest.

Being desperate somehow implies that something is missing in you (that is, you aren't a whole person or fulfilled), and you're trying frantically to find someone to fill that hole in your life (which usually implies major expectations that another person can't really fulfill, which you will eventually discover, resulting in disillusionment with the relationship/person). It can also imply that you're low on the food chain, which people can instinctively pick up on, whether from your own attitude about yourself, or the attitudes that others have towards you. I think it could be some kind of survival instinct that says, "Look out... this person might not be ripe for a relationship..." and makes people step back. Desperate people are often clingy or pushy, which doesn't respect the space of the other person and has no confidence, which is a big draw for both men and women. I'm not talking about someone who simply wants very much to have a relationship - I'm talking about the desperate, the unhealthy interest in a relationship with misplaced priorities.

Being a "stalker" is kind of a relative term. Two people can employ the same weird "stalkerish" tactics, and one be considered creepy and the other cute or romantic, depending on how they're perceived by the object of the attentions.
For example...

Versus...
 
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There are 4 members viewing this topic. Stop stalking Kim and start stalking me, Rapunzel, and ntw, we're in the Singles room, come on!
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Crosstweed -- I can totally relate to what you're saying, and I've had this happened with female friends, too. When I wrote the original post, I was thinking of a friend I had many years ago whom I hung out with all the time. She and her husband had kind of taken me in as an aunt to the family.

However, she became upset when I had other friends, and when she found out I was going to be temporary roommates with another girl from work (meaning I'd have less time to spend with her), she started mocking me in front of other people. It wasn't an attraction--she just didn't want to share my attention with anyone else. Our friendship soon died after that.

On the flip side, in my past relationships, I was the one guilty of being overly clingy and needy (basically, a guy's worst nightmare), and I hope I'm past that now, seeing as I've been alone for a very long time. The tough part is that I think God made me change through the very thing I feared most, which is an endless time of isolation (as far as romantic relationships are concerned.)

ntw -- I really enjoyed your insights, thank you!! I think you explained the concept of why desperation can be seen as unattractive very well. I've always felt as if someone who's desperate for any attention they can get from the opposite sex would surely replace me as soon as they found someone who gave them more attention.

I hope you will all continue to share your thoughts!!!

One of the things I love about reading people's answers in the threads is that many times another poster is able to express exactly what I'm thinking for me.
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Lady Kim I seen you like this just now. I'm calling you out. Come to my Single Chatroom Party. CC After Dark!
Thank you so much for the invite, GIS!!! :) I greatly appreciate it!!!

However, I've been up since 5 AM and have a 16-hour day tomorrow, so alas, I can only hope to join in another time.
 
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Thank you so much for the invite, GIS!!! :) I greatly appreciate it!!!

However, I've been up since 5 AM and have a 16-hour day tomorrow, so alas, I can only hope to join in another time.
Lol aw man, all these excuses. Nudge Tintin for me then :)
 
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coby

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#11
Hey Everyone,

At first glance, this post is going to seem unusually long, but please bear with me. I wanted to include a video clip but because of a bad word, I'm going to type out the dialogue instead.

Singles who hope to find someone are always told to "put themselves out there" and let others know they're available--especially when those other people might be potential dates. But as some of the recent posts have mentioned, it seems like it's all too easy to cross the line, and instead of communicating that we are "available", people might mistake us as being more like Chip from the movie, "The Cable Guy."

"The Cable Guy" is about an everyday guy named Steven (played by Matthew Broderick) whose cable guy, Chip (Jim Carrey), desperately tries to claim him as a best friend.

In one scene, Steven comes home at the end of the day to about 12 messages (all from Chip) that go something like this:

(This movie is from 1996, so it has some older references.)

* "Hey Steven, it's Chip. I'm home... Gimme a call."

* "Hi Steven, I'm at a pay phone, if you're there, pick up pick up pick up... Ok, well, I'll be home later."

* "Hey, it's Chip, I'm home now... Give me a buzz, ok? Talk to you later!"

* "Hey Steven, I was in the bathroom, thought you might've called... Later!"

* "You and I are having quite a little game of phone tag here!! You're it... Call me!"

* "Hi Steven, I was just blow drying my hair... Thought I heard the phone ring... Gimme a call!"

* "Hey Steven, are you sure your answering machine is working? You still haven't called me back yet..."

At first glance, the average person would probably want to file a restraining order against Chip. But later in the movie, you start to feel sorry for him because it's explained that Chip was a lonely only child with an active imagination who was always by himself. He apparently had no father present and his mother was always going out. In a flashback scene with Chip as a young boy, his mother prepared to go out for a night of partying by plopping Chip in front of the TV with a bowl of snacks.

Chip pleads with his mom, "When are you going to get me a brother? You promised you'd get me a brother..."

And his mother says, "Well honey, that's why I'm going to the bar."

Many people in this world are desperately lonely and would do anything to find someone to spend time with, whether a friend or a spouse. But how can single, available people present themselves as "looking" without coming across as creepy or even dangerous?

Here are some questions to help clarify the discussion:

* How would one present themselves as available in the "right way"?
* What makes a person sound "desperate" or "creepy"?
* Why is desperation such a turn-off?
* What's the difference between "letting people know I'm available" vs. "I am desperate and might possibly stalk you"?

In my own life, I've learned to draw the line when a person I'm just getting to know starts to demand, rather than request, my time, or becomes angry when I can't answer them right away or spend as much time with them as they might like. When they start acting as if I owe them parts of my life and I don't even know them very well, I know it's time to make an exit.

What limits do you have?
Yes demanding or getting angry would be the line.
 
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coby

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Once a man on a dating site, shared a few messages for 2 days and he was so pushy, I can't decide in 2 days if that is the one I'm gonna marry. I didn't talk to others, that would feel like cheating and he looked like an old grey German teacher, he wasn't ugly, but scary, those eyes on that pic, eeeww. Serious. He was serious. I really felt like this is God's will, I have to. So I went to a service and they said: Ask God. So I did, but no clear YES or NO from heaven and I said: I don't know. God doesn't answer. I want to talk to some more people here and just wait a few days. It was a really friendly decent nice man, but so desperate. He said: oh but I was very serious and it's such a pity and blablabla. I hadn't even said no. Then it was a clear no way. He couldn't even wait a few days. I felt like if I would drink coffee with him that would be our engagement, so that was the last message we shared.
 
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coby

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I think I was too open and shared too much personal info. That could make him think he was very special since he doesn't know I throw that out in the open on forums LOL.
 
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coby

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Lol and the next guy I spoke was the opposite: joking, laid back, no pressure, first wanted to be just friends. But that was so attractive that I wanted more and got jealous that he had all those girlfriends and he thought I was pushy and desperate.
And to him it was just one big joke.
It's quite simple. If someone likes you back you can do what you want. It's simply a sign that isn't the one.
 

Lynx

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He couldn't even wait a few days. I felt like if I would drink coffee with him that would be our engagement, so that was the last message we shared.
Best line of the whole thread so far. :cool:
 

Lynx

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As for myself, I don't get into all that relationship stuff so I have no idea where the lines are drawn. As a well known philosopher once said, "wots a date?" Actually the well known philosopher has said that many times in many threads...
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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I was catching up on this thread and then happened to glance at The Great Ongoing Battle, er, I mean, the "Paster Women" thread in the BDF...

But my mind read it as "PESTER Women." (and how about "Women Who Pester")

LOL!!! Now that would be fitting as a companion thread to this one! ;)
 
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coby

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Best line of the whole thread so far. :cool:
Lol it was really a nice guy, but he was so desperate he was almost more nuts than me. He had 3 kids, well kids, they were 16/18 and one son was autistic and made a huge mess which he cleaned up, it was awfully neat and tidy I saw on the pic, so I said: well I'm quite messy myself. Don't know if that would be a great idea. Oh that was no problem. He did everything. He had always done that, also with his 2 exes who dumped him, he worked, cleaned, sucked the dust, cooked. He just let everyone walk over him and was willing to let me walk over him too and sit on my lazy ass and him cleaning all our filthy mess up. Stupid, why didn't I just say yes?
 
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ntw1103

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I was catching up on this thread and then happened to glance at The Great Ongoing Battle, er, I mean, the "Paster Women" thread in the BDF...

But my mind read it as "PESTER Women." (and how about "Women Who Pester")

LOL!!! Now that would be fitting as a companion thread to this one! ;)
Don't cross the forums! :p