Where do I start? On a side-note...I do appreciate that you think I'm not snarky, I'm just trying to be logical in my arguments if possible. First of all, if you saw my original post I said I call myself a "feminist" regardless of what other people want that word to mean. It's like loving rainbows but not supporting gay marriage, no one really has a right to trademark a rainbow.
You don't have a argument from me here. I support that view, but my only word of advice is that you should still be cautious. I could go around calling myself a Nazi, and then use the same line you used, but people's view of me would not be different. They would still think of me as some evil holocaust supporter.
Also, I don't know why you think men had no problem with women's suffrage when it was being pushed in the 18th and 19th centuries because women's suffrage was basically the radical feminism of its time. Even most women were either indifferent or opposed to suffrage, probably because they didn't want to cause trouble. Suffrage in the 19th century came about because while many men were anti-slavery, many didn't think to include women in their campaign for rights to vote, own property, have an education, etc. Now abolition was obviously a more pressing issue but many women were angry that acts like the Emancipation Proclamation, while freeing everyone from slavery only included men's rights elsewhere. So first wave feminism, as you call it, did not go unchallenged, not by a long shot. It took over 100 years for women to vote and up until the early 20th century, women had to submit sexually to their husbands or go to jail. Don't even get me started on strange laws like jail time for women who opened their husband's mail or that a man owned his wife's hair.
You're right and women of that time had every right to defend themselves. That is
not this time. This time, its men who are trying to defend themselves from the oppression's of our current day Matriarchy. It reminds me of black people who cry about the oppression from 200 years ago as if it was happening today. Even though today they aren't picking cotton, being called Tobi, or getting slashes on their backs, they still have a mindset that is in the past. Today we have a black president, which would of been unthinkable 200 years ago.
Now I agree that feminism as it is called now has been hijacked by people we consider radicals, but unfortunately that is the way of the world (look at unions for example). That doesn't make every idea inherently bad or without merit, just like most ideologies have some point however small. Also, most radical feminists could care less if a man wanted to be with them and would hold their beliefs above a relationship with a man. I'll be honest, I don't want to be with a man who doesn't respect my beliefs and opinions on things, I'd much rather be alone. A relationship with God is the most important relationship there is.
But feminism has already achieved its goals. Women can vote, women can own property, women can be the president of the United States. The new feminism is just now a morphed version of a new Nazi Regime that supports the oppression and hatred of men. The past is over and already dealt with, but what is not over is the time of our day, in which women have more rights than men, not less. Women have 100% of all reproduction rights, and men in college don't even have due process for false rape allegations. Men are pretty much being mocked, ridiculed and snuffed out under this new "women's equality" movement that excludes men completely. I'm not pulling you in and claiming your one of these feminists, but this is the general movement as a whole, that women support. It has ended in the death of over 50 million unborn children (more deaths than WW2), it has helped produce more single women and fatherlerss homes than any Dictator could ever hope for. It also, claims men are responsible for all the ills of the world.
You don't have to believe a word i'm saying, and you can just chalk it all up to me being bitter, but I am telling you, a backlash against feminism from men has already been building. You can choose to ignore it, but I would say in the next 10-20 years, a woman who calls herself a feminist is going to be guaranteeing herself not to ever have a future husband. Men are going to be avoiding them like the plague. Infact, a lot of men already are.
Also, I don't mean to start anything or be rude, but it seems you are rather bitter toward women because you blame them for everything. No group should be blamed 100% but you are forgetting men's roles in a lot of what you talk about. For example you say "men, who had to go to war and die for them." It's rather crass but I say if you start the war you should finish it. Women were usually passive pawns in war and ended up suffering for whatever side lost (and in cases like the Vietnam war, being terrorized even when they technically won) so putting it back on us like we had much to do with the decision making seems unfair.
I am talking about women, but i'm not blaming women 100% for anything. I know men have their own part to play in the misery in this world, but I also know women love to play victims and escape being responsible for their choices. You can take a regular mother who kills her children and watch the media and women in the comment section chalk up the deaths of those children to the mothers mental state, not the actual mother herself. The mother is a victim of her state. Let a man kill his kids and chalk it up him being a victim for his mental state, and you already know what type of responses he would get. He's a monster, he is this, that, hang him from a tree. When a woman does it, everyone looks for some external source for a reason why she cannot truly be a killer, because I guess that would go against the whole mothers can't be murderers and every girls deserves X, Y, Z non-sense.
Also many feminist women I have met don't hate men, they actively love men because they have males in their lives who they truly care about. I don't think many women I've met hate men because you can't have intimate, close relationships and not feel something other than hate, in my opinion. However, openly misogynist woman-hating men were very common in all aspects of life, especially documented throughout the 18th and early 20th centuries...
Feminists love men? Since when? Men certainly don't feel the love from feminists. I hate to say this but I have to.. another typical response of men just hating women. Do you really think when a boy grows up, he just goes "wow, I can't WAIT to hate women!". That's why men get married and play the provider. You just gotta give women you hate money you know, and make sure their well fed, because heck, if they starve to death, how can you keep on hating them? Do you get my point? Men don't hate women, they love them. Yes, you get your typical criminals, and we got a special place called prison reserved for them, but the majority of men do not hate women. How many christian men on this forum do you see blasting and bombarding women about how much they hate them and can't stand them? I do not see this woman-bashing but I also think girls are pretty sensitive to anything critical of them, so they take it that way.
I would write more but I have to go now to a meeting with my start-up company. I'll come back and respond to whatever you have written later.
